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    A fifth of European Union will be Musllim.

    A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050
    Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time, an investigation by The Telegraph shows.

    By Adrian Michaels
    Published: 10:56AM BST 08 Aug 2009


    Last year, five per cent of the total population of the 27 EU countries was Muslim. But rising levels of immigration from Muslim countries and low birth rates among Europe's indigenous population mean that, by 2050, the figure will be 20 per cent, according to forecasts.
    Data gathered from various sources indicate that Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time.

    The UK, which currently has 20 million fewer people than Germany, is also projected to be the EU's most populous country by 2060, with 77 million people.
    The findings have led to allegations that policy-makers are failing to confront the widespread challenges of the "demographic time bomb".
    Experts say that there has been a lack of debate on how the population changes will affect areas of life from education and housing to foreign policy and pensions.
    Although some polls have pointed to a lack of radicalisation in the Muslim community, little attention is being given to the integration of migrants, it is claimed, with fears of social unrest in years to come.Daily Telegraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen View Post
    A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050
    Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time, an investigation by The Telegraph shows.
    What, exactly, does that mean? In English, so we can all understand? Preferably with a bit of comprehensible arithmetic thrown in. At the moment the Muslim population of the UK is slightly less than 2% of the total population. What is this 'higher proportion' likely to be in 40 years time? 2.2%? 2.9%? 3.1%? 4.7% 9.horseshit%?

    For those of you who aren't familiar with the English Press the Daily Telegraph is the Daily Mail, for the upper classes - i.e. full of shit but with a posh accent.

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    There's no explanation of how those forecasts were arrived at and without that the story's worse than useless.

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    I know that. You know that. But that is what the Telegraph U.K. printed.It is called Scaremongering.

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    I see. Sorry. You didn't add a comment so I assumed you agreed with the story.

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    I'd like to point out that a larger percentage of the population is stupid now - their religious affiliation will not change that

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    People are entitled to follow whatever religion they want to in the free world.

    Creating ghettos of different ethnic groups and cultures however is a recipe for trouble.

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    They'll be even more when Turkey joins full time. So?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crippen View Post
    A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050
    Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time, an investigation by The Telegraph shows.
    What, exactly, does that mean? In English, so we can all understand? Preferably with a bit of comprehensible arithmetic thrown in. At the moment the Muslim population of the UK is slightly less than 2% of the total population. What is this 'higher proportion' likely to be in 40 years time? 2.2%? 2.9%? 3.1%? 4.7% 9.horseshit%?

    For those of you who aren't familiar with the English Press the Daily Telegraph is the Daily Mail, for the upper classes - i.e. full of shit but with a posh accent.
    Yeah, and they're already trying to establish their own system of government that separates themselves from the general population. They also have higher birthrates. This is stuff for which you may want to do a little searching on the Internet. The UK is about to have a population explosion of non-conformist Muslim folks who have no desire to integrate into your precious society. In fact, they want to take it over and many of them state it openly. Shariah law for all!
    Eat more Cheezy Poofs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    This is stuff for which you may want to do a little searching on the Internet
    if you also look at the internet you will notice that the UK is the perfect point to launch attacks on the US eastern seaboard.

    I suggest you start on beach defences and a bunker now

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    i read this article in depth and i do believe we are going to have problems, sooner than later.
    we have a big population in the town i live in, they do not intergrate they seem to pick an area and all live together as a small community, where it feels like a different country within this country.
    i also drive past this area quite a lot at different times of the day and not many seem to be working, they congregate on the corners or at outside the local shops.
    we only have to look to france to see what is in stall for the uk.
    immigration can only work if the government understand the nature of the beast.

    why in spain their has been mass immigration of germans, french, english and others and it works in harmony, i think it is to do with the mindset and education of communicating with others, and i believe it is the same in thailand.
    i believe in thailand the falang has a lot to put up with but i do not see the falangngs going on marches and trying to change the thai culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post

    What, exactly, does that mean? In English, so we can all understand? Preferably with a bit of comprehensible arithmetic thrown in. At the moment the Muslim population of the UK is slightly less than 2% of the total population. What is this 'higher proportion' likely to be in 40 years time? 2.2%? 2.9%? 3.1%? 4.7% 9.horseshit%?
    Who`s figures are those? The governments?

    Slightly less than 2% of the total population. All I can say then, is we must have an even larger problem with illegal immigrants than the government would have you believe. Or the 2% just live in my part of the country.
    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post

    For those of you who aren't familiar with the English Press the Daily Telegraph is the Daily Mail, for the upper classes - i.e. full of shit but with a posh accent.
    Show me a paper that isnt full of shit.
    I aint superstitious, but I know when somethings wrong
    I`ve been dragging my heels with a bitch called hope
    Let the undercurrent drag me along.

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    Predictions of a ten fold increase in Muslim population in 40 years sounds rather alarmist to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crippen View Post
    A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050
    Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time, an investigation by The Telegraph shows.
    What, exactly, does that mean? In English, so we can all understand? Preferably with a bit of comprehensible arithmetic thrown in. At the moment the Muslim population of the UK is slightly less than 2% of the total population. What is this 'higher proportion' likely to be in 40 years time? 2.2%? 2.9%? 3.1%? 4.7% 9.horseshit%?

    Your figure of 2% is at odds with the govenments who say that in 2001 it was far higher at 2.7, including the people who do arrive illegally it's probably over 3% and rising very fast due to the non practicing of birth control and having as many kids as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog
    rising very fast due to the non practicing of birth control and having as many kids as they can.
    Crazydog, where do you gett his idea that Muslims don't use contraception and that their sole purpose in life is breeding?

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    what industry is there to work in in the UK now ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post


    Your figure of 2% is at odds with the govenments who say that in 2001 it was far higher at 2.7, including the people who do arrive illegally it's probably over 3% and rising very fast due to the non practicing of birth control and having as many kids as they can.
    Are we talking about Muslims or Catholics here?

    Perhaps they should all be surgically sterilized after 2 kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog
    rising very fast due to the non practicing of birth control and having as many kids as they can.
    Crazydog, where do you gett his idea that Muslims don't use contraception and that their sole purpose in life is breeding?
    I did not say their main purpose in life is breeding did I? the evidence from the UK city where I lived certainly suggested they did not use contraception there, families of ten or more being common. What does their stupid book say? Probably nothing, but the controlling men who interpret it surely have a view on it.

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    So you've a current population of 60 million(ish) of which around 2.4 million are Muslim. The Torygraph are predicting in 40 years time the total population of 77 million will contain 15.4 Muslims so we're looking at an extra 325,000 Muslims per year. Or roughly the population of Cardiff. Every year. For the next 40 years. Does that sound likely? Or does it sound like a load of shit?

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    The brits have lost home. Sad idiots.

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    There has been a few of these Muslim takeover stories kicking around the internet and most of them have been debunked as baseless myth quoting from non-existant statistical sources. First one I have seen in the respectable press. Predicting regional religious demographics 40 years out is forecasting fantasy.

    Also fails to take into the account the underlying decay in general religious belief. More likely we will be able to take our grandchildren to visit the Museum of Religious Practice and they can have a giggle at what a supposedly intelligent adults were once asked to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    So you've a current population of 60 million(ish) of which around 2.4 million are Muslim. The Torygraph are predicting in 40 years time the total population of 77 million will contain 15.4 Muslims so we're looking at an extra 325,000 Muslims per year. Or roughly the population of Cardiff. Every year. For the next 40 years. Does that sound likely? Or does it sound like a load of shit?
    Its possible but most unlikely.
    Given that 2.1 kids per couple = zero population growth, and the rule of 70 in exponential growth, a rough calculation in my head comes up with a figure of an average 7 kids per Muslim couple in order to get to a population of 15 million by 2050. But the thing is that they would have had to have produced those seven kids by an average age of around 16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Also fails to take into the account the underlying decay in general religious belief
    Agree with that Looper, but with Islam being the exception. Impossible to predict just how much the muslim take-over (dhimmitude as Keda said) will go in Europe as 'nobody expected the Spanish inquisition'.

    If it does become 20% then Islam will be the majority religion (remaining xtians being disected into their various groups) as more and more of us become infidels. Somethings got to give, and war looms IMO

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    Thought this was interesting....on the BBC....

    Shows how much crap is being put about......

    BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Debunking a YouTube hit


    Debunking a YouTube hit



    By Richard Knight

    A big YouTube hit makes startling predictions about the Islamification of Europe over the next few decades and has been viewed more than 10 million times. But can you believe what it says?
    This seven-and-a-half minute video "Muslim Demographics" uses slick graphics, punctuated with dramatic music, to make some surprising claims, asserting that much of Europe will be majority Muslim in just a few decades. It says that in the past two decades, 90% of all population growth in Europe has been Muslim immigration.


    In France, it says 30% of those aged 20 and younger are Muslim, with the birth rate for Muslim families massively exceeding that across all families. It says France will be an Islamic Republic within 39 years.
    In the UK it says the Muslim population has risen 30-fold since the beginning of the 1980s.
    But are any of the video's statistics true?
    Of the video's claims that 90% of Europe's population growth since 1990 is due Islamic immigration, only a fragment is true. Immigration is the main driver of population growth according to EU statistics and in some exceptional years, 90% of population growth has been down to net inward migration.
    But that includes all immigrants coming into the EU, not just Muslims.
    It is the claims made about individual countries that are most striking. The video says that a typical French family has 1.8 children but that French Muslim families have 8.1 children.

    MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS VIDEO
    Watched 10 million times
    Authorship unknown
    Posted by inactive account 'friendofmuslim'

    How we check the figures
    No source is given for this information and the French government doesn't collect statistics by religion. So it is impossible to say what the precise fertility rates among different religious groups in France are.
    But no country on earth has such a high fertility rate and in Algeria and Morocco, the two nations which send the largest numbers of Muslim immigrants to France, the fertility rate is 2.38, according to the UN's 2008 figures.
    In the Netherlands, according to the video, half of all newborns are Muslim, and in 15 years half the population will be Muslim.
    But the Dutch office of statistics estimates that Muslims make up only 5% of the population. For Dutch Muslim women to produce half the nation's babies, they would have to be giving birth at at least 14 times the rate of their non-Muslim neighbours.

    The Muslim population of Europe has risen, but not as fast as alleged
    Is 25% of the Belgian population Muslim, as the video asserts? No. The Belgian office of statistics points to a 2008 study which suggests the real figure is just 6%.
    The video also states that the Muslim population of the UK has grown 30-fold in the past 30 years. They get the figure by estimating that the British Muslim population has risen from 82,000 to 2.5 million.
    The firm data is in the 2001 census, which counted close to 1.6 million Muslims in England and Wales. That number will have risen since 2001 so 2.5 million is not impossible. The 2011 census will be looked to for clarification.
    However, according to Dr Andrew Hinde, a demographer at Southampton University, the 82,000 figure is a gross under-estimate. "If you take the 1981 census there was no question asked on religious belief," he says, "but if you take those born in Pakistan and Bangladesh as a minimum estimate of the number of Muslims in 1981, it's about 300,000."
    That would mean the growth rate has been significantly slower than the video suggests.
    But the video doesn't just rely on statistics, it also uses an official Government statement. It quotes it as saying: "The fall in German population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer reversible. It will be a Muslim state by the year 2050."
    The statement in question was made by then vice-president of the Federal Statistics Office, Walter Radermacher, who is now chief statistician of the European Union. He says that while it is true he said Germany's population was in decline, the last part of the quote [in italics] is just an invention. He said nothing about Germany becoming a Muslim state.
    "The quotation which reads as if the German government believed that Germany will become a Muslim state is simply not true," he says. "There is no source which can be quoted that the German government has published such an expression or opinion."
    Inexact science
    The video also claims the German government believes the number of Muslims in Europe will double to 104 million.
    Mr Radermacher adds: "That is not true. The German government does not believe that the Muslim population will double in the next 40 or 50 years. There are no reliable sources that give a proof for that assumption."
    Population projection is an inexact science. No-one knows how many Muslims will be living in Europe or anywhere else by 2050. The current trends suggest that by 2050 Europe will have a bigger proportion of Muslims, although nothing like the level suggested in the video.
    But the big assumption here is current trends. Levels of immigration and fertility change over time.
    It is certainly true that immigrant communities often have higher fertility rates but over time these usually fall into line with the indigenous population. This might not happen with Muslim immigrants. But nobody can know and that's why, according to Dr Hinde, it is so hard to guess the future.
    "In the 1930s there were population projections made of the UK that by the end of the century the UK population would be 20 million. Well, it turned out to be 50 million.
    "That's how far out you can get when you're moving 40 or 50 years down the line and not taking into account the uncertainty."
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    It's seem ok to talk about them but don't you guys make any cartoons about them, they will get very upset and bad at you.

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