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    England - Train robber Biggs wins freedom

    Train robber Biggs wins freedom


    Biggs has suffered several strokes and is fed through a tube

    Great Train Robber Ronnie Biggs has been granted release from his prison sentence on compassionate grounds, Justice Secretary Jack Straw has said.

    He explained that the decision was based on medical evidence that Biggs's condition had deteriorated and he was not expected to recover.

    Biggs is severely ill in hospital with pneumonia and doctors have said there is "not much hope" for him.

    Biggs, 79, was refused parole by Mr Straw last month.

    He rejected a recommendation by the Parole Board which said the risk Biggs posed was "manageable".

    Lawyer for Mr Biggs Giovanni Di Stefano described his release as a victory for common sense.

    He is absolutely delighted and he hopes that his father will survive long enough to see his 80th birthday on Saturday
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    The inmate of Norwich Prison, who was serving a 30-year sentence, was taken to the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital in June suffering from a chest infection and was readmitted on Tuesday.

    Mr Straw said: "The medical evidence clearly shows that Mr Biggs is very ill and that his condition has deteriorated recently, culminating in his readmission to hospital.

    "His condition is not expected to improve.

    "It is for that reason that I am granting Mr Biggs compassionate release on medical grounds.

    'Absolutely delighted'

    "I have therefore been satisfied that the relevant conditions have been met, which I was not in respect of the recommendation for parole."

    Biggs' son Michael, told the BBC he was "absolutely delighted" at the news.

    "Finally common sense has prevailed, you know, my father has done his time. He's absolutely no threat to society whatsoever. My father is completely incapable of re-offending.

    "He has rehabilitated himself inside and outside of prison. All I can say is we are extremely happy at the moment.

    "I'm just very hopeful that my father can have another few months ahead of him in his life, or a few weeks, or whatever God decides to give him, so he can have a little bit of quality time with the family and die with some dignity."

    The judicial review of Mr Straw's decision to reject the Parole Board's recommendation will now be dropped, Mr Di Stefano said.

    The decision means Biggs will spend his birthday as a free man, although his condition means he will be unable to celebrate his release.



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    After a series of strokes, Biggs is bedridden, fed through a tube and barely able to communicate.

    The three Prison Service staff watching him will be withdrawn on Friday, once the licence for his release is finalised.

    If his condition were to improve, Biggs would be transferred to a nursing home in Barnet, north London, near his son's home.

    Harry Fletcher of the probation officers' union Napo welcomed the decision, but added: "It's just a great shame he wasn't released two months ago on the recommendation of the Parole Board.

    "His medical condition was pretty desperate two months ago - he couldn't walk, he could barely talk and he posed no risk to anybody."

    However, the train drivers' union Aslef criticised the decision to release Biggs.
    Ronnie Biggs was in his mid-30s when he went on the run

    General secretary Keith Norman said: "It's ludicrous that a man who was part of a gang that committed a violent crime and attacked an innocent man and hit him with an iron bar should be a person who deserves clemency."

    Biggs, from Lambeth, south London, was a member of a 15-strong gang which attacked the Glasgow to London mail train at Ledburn, Buckinghamshire, in August 1963, and made off with 2.6m in used banknotes.

    The train's driver Jack Mills suffered head injuries during the robbery.

    Biggs was given a 30-year sentence but after 15 months he escaped from Wandsworth prison in south west London by climbing a 30ft wall and fleeing in a furniture van.

    He was on the run for more than 30 years, living in Australia and Brazil, before returning to the UK voluntarily in 2001 in search of medical treatment.

    He was sent to Belmarsh high-security prison on his return before being moved to a specialist medical unit at Norwich prison.

    A Ministry of Justice spokesman says Biggs' licence conditions have to be officially signed-off before he is officially "released". That is expected to happen some time Friday morning.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Biggs has suffered several strokes and is fed through a tube
    So remind me what 'Freedom' has he gained???? can he get rid of the tube??? NO.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Biggs, 79, was refused parole by Mr Straw last month.
    WTF is wrong with Jack Straw??? murderers, rapist, child molesters etc, don't get anywhere near the harse sentences that Biggsy got??? I just can't see the justification for such a long sentence??



    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Lawyer for Mr Biggs Giovanni Di Stefano described his release as a victory for common sense.
    Then Stephano was just trying to get his name in the newspaper one last time before he moves on to another case!!! Biggs is fooked and will never recover, he was fooked months ago and posed no threat....What was he gonna do jump over the barrier at the tube station and not pay....hardly likely

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "His condition is not expected to improve.
    The old boys dead!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "It is for that reason that I am granting Mr Biggs compassionate release on medical grounds.
    Oh how compassionate of you SIR JACK....

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "I have therefore been satisfied that the relevant conditions have been met, which I was not in respect of the recommendation for parole."
    Again what was he going to do...rob another train or bank....run off with a pack of breath mints??? What?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Biggs' son Michael, told the BBC he was "absolutely delighted" at the news.
    What that his Dad's a corpse...I'd be bloody furious...He isn't a sex case...he didn't kill anyone....sort of..

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    you know, my father has done his time.
    Far too much of it...My old man was a copper in Peckham in south London, and dealt with some right 'orrible' characters. Even he would be incredulous at the sentence handed down compared to other crimes which deserve long or 'life' sentences.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "I'm just very hopeful that my father can have another few months ahead of him in his life, or a few weeks, or whatever God decides to give him,
    Don't think 'Gods' got much to do with it...Think it might be the tube hanging out of his mouth...remove that and the fat lady will have sung.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    The judicial review of Mr Straw's decision to reject the Parole Board's recommendation will now be dropped, Mr Di Stefano said.
    Oh how lucky for Jack..I'd pursue it, and rub the gits face in the mud...His kid was caught selling drugs and bugger all happened to him....The slap of hypocracy

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    The three Prison Service staff watching him will be withdrawn on Friday, once the licence for his release is finalised.
    Three prison officers...for what the guys mental functions are gone, and he's breathing through a tube??? Where's he gonna run off to?? He can't even go to the toilet without doing it in either a nappy or a catheter!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Harry Fletcher of the probation officers' union Napo welcomed the decision, but added: "It's just a great shame he wasn't released two months ago on the recommendation of the Parole Board.
    My sentiments exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "His medical condition was pretty desperate two months ago - he couldn't walk, he could barely talk and he posed no risk to anybody."
    except himself, had he tried to walk he'd of prbably broken a hip or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    However, the train drivers' union Aslef criticised the decision to release Biggs.
    Oh come on....you can fall asleep on the job and crash your train. It's just an accident.
    I remember yrs ago that a Tube train driver was found to be a crackhead...just lost his job...could've killed hundreds of people and still nothing happened to him either. Get a grip Aslef.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    The train's driver Jack Mills suffered head injuries during the robbery.
    No relation I assure you...even though some on TD would say I'm suffering from mental problems...

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    A political prisoner, just like the Krays. No other way to describe it. Yes, he did mock the judicial system for years, but it hardly deserved being kept in jail when he was so sick. Political prisoners are not just a totalitarian government thing.

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    I'm glad that they've seen sense at last & released Biggs. Let him spend the last time he has with his family. The larneys have had their pound of flesh out of him.

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    Fvck him, a small time crook who should have done his time, hurry up and die Biggs you loser.

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    ^not exactly a small time crook at the time..It was the biggest train robbery in the world back then...still not a bad haul even by todays standards...

    just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by goostewart View Post
    A political prisoner, just like the Krays. No other way to describe it. Yes, he did mock the judicial system for years, but it hardly deserved being kept in jail when he was so sick. Political prisoners are not just a totalitarian government thing.
    Actually I'd say "political prisoner" is the exact last way to describe it.

    There are genuine political prisoners out there and to associate them with this crook does them a disservice.

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    He was quick to leave England when he was wanted by police. He was quick to come back when he needed free healthcare. The Uk should have barred his return, revoked his passports and said "you're on your own son".

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    Let me see if I have this straight. Biggs was arrested and sentenced to 30 years for his crime. He escaped after 18 months (which, in the U.S. would bring additional time) and was on the lam for 30 years. He returned to Britian in 2001 to take advantage of the free health system because he was in ill health. Normally, if you thumb your nose at authority (police, judicial system or government), you can expect no mercy from them once they get their hands on you. Did I miss anything?

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    Yep, Phill Collins stared as Biggs in a film about the train robbery which made everybody love the character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean View Post
    free health system
    No 'system' is free in either sense of the word... Too many people on this thread adhering to the law is it is fed to us and not what is really right and wrong in the big picture, Jack Straw's son being a fine example.

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    It does seem rather vindictive of the authorities to keep a man in prison almost until he dies when Straw let the mass murderer Pinochet go when he should have extradited him. Justice is not the same as petty vindictiveness, Biggs has been made an example of not because of the crime, but because of his attitude to authority, he is the original long distance runner of the 60's. Others who had a far bigger role in the robbery served less time.
    For example, Buster Edwards, who Phil Collins played in the film buster (not Biggs), only did nine years in prison from 66-75.

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    I'm not adhering to the law. I'm just saying, given the facts, what else would you expect the outcome to be? You thumb your nose at the wrong officials and they will make you pay for it. It's human nature and not confined to Britian.

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    Toffees are nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    For example, Buster Edwards, who Phil Collins played in the film buster (not Biggs), only did nine years in prison from 66-75.
    If Biggs had served his time the same as Edwards he would have don 10-15 years max and would be a free man. He chose to escape and go on the run and all the consequences that come with it, tough shit, time to die. Waste of space.

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    As far as I know you do not get extra time for going on the run so he should have been released before now as the sentencing in the early 60's was draconian. Do you remember Blake the spy? they gave him 42 years in the early sixties, he escaped as well. If the sentencing had been more in line with the crime Biggs might never have bothered escaping.

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    His infamy is based on his escape. He's taunted the "system" and, unsuprisingly, the authorities wouldn't play the populist game.

    He's dying, let him out, maybe the tax payer won't get landed with his funeral costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    As far as I know you do not get extra time for going on the run so he should have been released before now as the sentencing in the early 60's was draconian. Do you remember Blake the spy? they gave him 42 years in the early sixties, he escaped as well. If the sentencing had been more in line with the crime Biggs might never have bothered escaping.
    This is what the Securitas robbers got, not a million miles away from what Biggs and co got

    The trial began on 26 June 2007 at the Old Bailey in London,[15] presided over by Justice David Penry-Davey. The first three weeks of the trial focused on the role of the manager Colin Dixon with the defence cross-examination highlighting 'co-incidences' in his conduct which might be interpreted as suggesting he was the inside man.[16]

    On 28 January 2008, the jury returned guilty verdicts on Stuart Royle, Jetmir Bucpapa, Roger Coutts, Lea Rusha and Emir Hysenaj. John Fowler and Keith Borer were cleared of all charges.[17]

    On 29 January 2008 Emir Hysenaj was sentenced to 20 years in prison with an order that he serve a minimum of 10 years. Stuart Royle, Lea Rusha, Jetmir Bucpapa and Roger Coutts were given life sentences with an order that they serve a minimum of 15 years.
    Securitas depot robbery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Interestingly although Blake got 42 years many of his co spies and very much more part of the system (blake was Dutch) and who were responsible for the deaths of many operatives in the field-got off scott free. Blunt was never prosecuted as far as I remember and died a free man, when he was a traitor and responsible for many deaths. Oh yes they did take his knighthood away, the naughty boy.

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    20 years is a lot less than the train robbers got

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    20 years is a lot less than the train robbers got
    A couple of the Securitas robbers were handed life sentences, the max the train robbers got was 30.

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    Life does not mean 30 years these days, more like 15!
    Does anyone really expect this bitch to do her life sentence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Toffees are nice.
    Mmmmm, toffee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goostewart View Post
    A political prisoner, just like the Krays.
    Political prisioner? His gang beat a working man to death with an iron bar. The guys was never a hero and should never have been an inspiration to anyone IMHO.

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