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    Big Brother Really is Coming to Britain

    "£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables. The scheme has, astonishingly, already been running in 2,000 family homes. The government’s “children’s secretary” Ed Balls is behind the plan, which is aimed at problem, antisocial families. The idea is that, if a child has a more stable home life, he or she will be less likely to stray into crime and drugs."

    Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

    Also reported in the Express at Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families

    "THOUSANDS of the worst families in England are to be put in “sin bins” in a bid to change their bad behaviour, Ed Balls announced yesterday.

    The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes. They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals. Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction."

    and as if that wasn't a completely mental idea, we have Tory cock, Shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling saying

    “This is all much too little, much too late"

    What the fuck? Too little? What more does he want? This is so awful in so many ways.

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    That's quite shocking really.

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    Great news should keep me busy

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    Move the telly upstairs or do they intend to put a camera in every bedroom?

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    WTF???? That's scary.

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    The 'Big Brother' makers must be shitting themselves

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    The money would be better spent shipping them to Botany Bay. That's what they used to do.

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    Us Brits keep telling you--- "they" are getting madder every day!

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    This is a new move in child protection. It is certainly not being proposed for ordinary families. Over the years there has been a succession of children, killed by their parents, while under the supervision of the welfare authorities. In the latest case, that of ‘Baby P’ a 17 month old boy died, after receiving over 50 injuries from his mother and her boyfriend over an 8 month period. The public outcry over this horrendous case has increased the demand for more effective methods of supervision. The other side of the coin is that thousands of children have been taken into the care of the authorities, because of abuse or neglect, and are placed in children’s homes or foster homes. This is not always a good solution for the child and it is probable that more children are in institutional care than is strictly necessary. Institutional care, as well as being unsatisfactory is also extremely expensive. Where families have come to the notice of the courts because of concerns about the risk of serious neglect or injury to children, this seems to be an imaginative alternative. If parents agree to cooperate, children deemed to be at serious risk, could be monitored more closely and more effectively and, perhaps, reduce the number of children abused by their own families and also reduce unnecessary institutionalization of children at risk. It is part of the perpetual child care dilemma; how to leave as many children as possible in the care of their own families, while being able to supervise their welfare closely enough to prevent any more tragic child deaths..

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    Seems to be a slight disagreement between your interpretation (preventing murder) and the way it's been reported (making sure kids eat their brussel sprouts). The Express article says:

    "Sin bin projects operate in half of council areas already but Mr Balls wants every local authority to fund them. He (Ed Balls) said: “This is pretty tough and non-negotiable support for families to get to the root of the problem. There should be Family Intervention Projects in every local authority area because every area has families that need support.”"

    It's horrendous and only the petty minded idiots who run the Labour party would think that CCTVs in every home, and weekly checkups from Group 4 security guards is anything other than a dreadful idea. Thankfully the little pricks will be out of power soon enough. Sadly, they'll be replaced by the Tories which is guaranteed to be even worse.

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    I don't believe a word of this story.

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    You'd better believe it. This is the NWO, baby. Total control and surveillance of your life and the lives of all you know. Now they're moving into your bedrooms. There will be no more private space. All is for the government's perusal and approval.

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    Ed Balls is behind the plan <-- says it all really

    next the inland revenue will be putting meters on the beds

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    Some of the above interpretations fly off into pure paranoia.
    The reports make it clear that this is for a small number of the most dysfunctional families Quote; Brittan’s worst families) and is an alternative to institutional care. THIS IS NOT FOR ORDINARY FAMILIES.
    These families are those where serious child abuse or neglect has been proven in court.
    Such dysfunctional families often have a history of violence, lower than average intelligence, drug or alcohol or sexual abuse etc. Typically they will have a number of these problems. When a child has suffered serious abuse or neglect, the courts normally remove the children into institutional care. However, it is an often a tough decision to decide whether a child in likely to suffer real harm or not. If this scheme goes ahead, some families may be offered a choice, instead of institutional care, they may accept electronic monitoring for the safety of their children. This facility is to be available in all local government areas. Every local authority has a small number of these seriously dysfunctional and families on its Children at Risk register Every time one of these children is killed by its parents there is an outcry for more and better surveillance.
    The suggestions above that this is to be imposed on ordinary families are pure lunacy. If it were so it would be impossible to impose…
    1) The cost of such a scheme would be prohibitive.
    2) The population would never accept such invasion of privacy.
    3) The Conservative opposition would never support such a scheme.

    This is am alternative to institutional care. Where child abuse has been proven in a small number of really dysfunctional families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    The Express article says:
    a quality newspaper ? not likely to sensationalise ?



    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie
    The money would be better spent shipping them to Botany Bay. That's what they used to do.
    the irony of pommyland becoming an island penal colony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    (making sure kids eat their brussel sprouts).
    I couldn't stand those horrible little beasties.....then for some reason when I got to about 25+ I loved the things...mmmmm Sunday roasts with my Dad..great.. R.I.P. (my Dad not the brussel's )

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    Thankfully the little pricks will be out of power soon enough. Sadly, they'll be replaced by the Tories which is guaranteed to be even worse.
    Oh good god not them again...the gits that gave us..
    Great days eh Maggie???

    Not to forget the classic days of..



    Not to mention the privitization of all the the state facilities Gas, Water, Electric, Telecoms...etc etc...that worked out well...leading to Fat Cats and down trodden fearful workers....and now this is the nation of morons and spineless people we have, that can't even discipline their own kids and need the government to put CCTV in their homes..

    I think the UK is a disgrace to me...I...I...I...weep for the way we have lost our self respect and morals...

    We were never perfect...but we were a cut above, other countries wanted to emulate us...now the ridicule us like the guys over the pond...(sorry)

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    The Express article says:[/quote]

    a quality newspaper ? not likely to sensationalise ?

    The daily Express a quality newspaper not likely to sensentionise? Good heavens, how far are you removed from reality? It is a popular, right wing, sensationiliising newsparer. Howerer, read what the Daily Express actually says, behind the hype the facts support me. It also reports that the Concervitive Party (right wing) says that "This is too little , too late".

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    Paranoid outbursts aside, I think this is theoretically a good idea for severely dysfunctional families.

    However, where to put the CCTV. If you put it in the lounge, then when the kid is in their bedroom, parents can still be abusing the child. "Smile for the camera...or you'll get it later".

    If it saves a life, then great. It might. However, I have my doubts. You can't effectively monitor everywhere and I'd suggest it is merely an interesting concept.

    I hope that it is only used in abusive families though.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Saving little Jimmy is not a justification for extending state surveillance of the individual like this. Not by a long shot. The state sucks power to itself like some monstrous black hole; if this goes ahead, there is every chance that it will be extended.

    And getting Group 4 to do it is just taking the piss.

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    It's not just about saving a life though...it is thousands and thousands of kids, who are physically and sexually abused daily in the UK. If it does save a life, then great, but that's only part of it.

    Like I say I have my reservations too. I'm not convinced it will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapilvastu
    behind the hype the facts support me
    yes , I was just taking the piss out of all the people getting their panties in a twist over the ramblings of a fish and chip wrapper

    technology is enabling many more of these control methods - but it is the most efficient method if it is done correctly.

    why shouldn't emergency services and security have access to video and sound feed of all public spaces ?

    real time analytics of the video and sound is not far off either

    all your buses , taxis , govt vehicles will have multiple audio and video devices sending back to central in real time with GPS information to be processed and recorded

    emergency services controllers should be able to have feeds from all cameras in say a 1klm radius of a lat/long parked up to a screen in seconds.

    the police should just have to query a computer to have video analytics match a picture in nearly real time . Even your gait can be recognised - successful tests have been done with sat cams looking at a walking persons shadow to identify them.

    control should be about efficiency , but efficiency is power that is easily abused.

    yes I could ramble for a while about IP enabled devices

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    I don't know why we don't just get back to beating the little fuckers if they play up.
    It seems kids were much more well behaved in the days when a clip behind the ear or a boot up the backside were allowed.
    Now the kids sneer at the parents and call child services.
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