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    Haggis first recorded as an English dish: historian

    LONDON -- A recipe for haggis was published in an English book almost 200 years before any evidence of the dish in Scotland, a historian has claimed.


    Historian Catherine Brown told the BBC she found references to the traditional Scottish dish of sheep's offal boiled in a sheep's stomach inside a 1615 book called The English Hus-Wife.


    The title would pre-date Scottish bard Robert Burns' poem To A Haggis, which brought fame to the delicacy, by at least 171 years.


    But former world champion haggis maker Robert Patrick insisted: "Nobody's going to believe it."


    Brown said the book by Gervase Markham indicated haggis was first eaten in England and subsequently popularised by the Scots. The first mention she could find of Scottish haggis was in 1747. The author of the 1615 book made it quite clear that haggis was enjoyed by everyone, not just Scots.


    "It was popular in England until the middle of the 18th Century," she said. "Obviously the English turned up their noses at it and ate their roast beef, and the Scots for 350 years have been making it their own."


    Her findings are due to be broadcast in a documentary in Scotland.


    Patrick said the idea that haggis originated in England was akin to claims by the Dutch and Chinese to have invented golf.


    "Anything that's to do with Scotland, everybody wants to get a part of."


    James Macsween, whose Edinburgh-based company makes haggis, said it would remain a Scottish icon whatever its origin and even if the haggis was eaten in England long before Burns made it famous, Scotland had done a better job of looking after it.


    "I didn't hear of Shakespeare writing a poem about it," he said

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    Just curious Noodles, do you have a life outside of the internet ?

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    Lots of recipe thieves around the international scene.
    Some bloody Kiwis reckon they invented the Pavlova and Vegemite.

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    Your lucky Tuddles doesn't post here anymore Noodles!

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    Typical, thieving bloody Scots!

    No wonder the English had to put them in their place.

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    ^^He can still give him a pounding in real life. Bloody troll.

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    History also shows that Scottish men also nicked those silly little dresses they ponce about in off their wives. The worlds original ladyboys.

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    And parts of the goal at wembley.

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    Not forgetting stealing bagpipes off the Irish, what about whiskey while we are at it?

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    Haggis . . . no offence to anyone but why anyone would stake a claim to inventing this stuff is beyond me.

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    Bollocks ... aints the poms responsible for decent grub like potted partridges and stilton cheese

    Shame their beer is absolute shite though

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    Mmmmm... Haggis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    Not forgetting stealing bagpipes off the Irish, what about whiskey while we are at it?
    Always a bone of contention this one, Irish or one of the Mediterranean countries is most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr View Post
    Bollocks ... aints the poms responsible for decent grub like potted partridges and stilton cheese

    Shame their beer is absolute shite though
    Coming from an Aussie, oh the irony.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    Haggis . . . no offence to anyone but why anyone would stake a claim to inventing this stuff is beyond me.
    Delicous with neeps and tatties

    Also good for breakfast with eggs.

    Lovely cold for a picnic.

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    Don't think the Scots stole haggis, more the English stopped eating it because it's shit. Give me a pure sausage anyday. Don't get no bits of bollock or eyeball in a good English banger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by withnallstoke
    Don't get no bits of bollock or eyeball in a good English banger.
    You reckon................

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    goats testicles cooked ala Tikka are damn tasty

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Haggis . . . no offence to anyone but why anyone would stake a claim to inventing this stuff is beyond me.
    To annoy the Scots.

    And for that reason alone, it's great news.

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    This reminds me, I've got one in the freezer. Yum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    Mmmmm... Haggis.
    I'm neither Scottish nor English, but I enjoy Haggis... One of the bright spots of having to travel to Aberdeen on business...

    I believe if you were to walk up a Scot and tell them that Haggis was invented in England, you'd have a tussle on your hands...
    Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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    I believe if you were to walk up a Scot and tell them that Haggis was invented in England, you'd have a tussle on your hands...
    Looking forward to it already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib View Post
    I believe if you were to walk up a Scot and tell them that Haggis was invented in England, you'd have a tussle on your hands...
    Not much of one though; the great skirt-wearing nancies were subjugated by the English for long enough, they can't be that hard.

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