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    Praying man let his daughter die

    A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.
    The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.
    She died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural Wisconsin in March last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.
    Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, was convicted earlier this year.
    The couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in October.
    A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.
    'Faith healing'
    During the trial, medical experts told the court that Neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.
    On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.
    "If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
    He also said he thought his daughter had had flu or a fever, and that he had not realised how ill she was.
    Neumann's lawyer said he had been convinced that his "faith healing" was working, and that he had committed no crime.
    The prosecution argued that Neumann had minimised his daughter's illness and that he had allowed her to die as a selfish act of faith.
    They said the girl should have been taken to hospital because she was unable to walk, talk, eat or drink.
    Instead, an ambulance was only called once the girl had stopped breathing.
    Eat more Cheezy Poofs!

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    On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.
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    "Where's your god now?"

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    BBC NEWS | Americas | Praying man let his daughter die
    Praying man let his daughter die


    Dale Neumann faces up to 25 years in prison

    A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care. The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.
    She died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural Wisconsin in March last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.
    Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, was convicted earlier this year.
    The couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in October.
    A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.
    'Faith healing'
    During the trial, medical experts told the court that Neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.
    On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.
    "If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
    He also said he thought his daughter had had flu or a fever, and that he had not realised how ill she was.
    Neumann's lawyer said he had been convinced that his "faith healing" was working, and that he had committed no crime.
    The prosecution argued that Neumann had minimised his daughter's illness and that he had allowed her to die as a selfish act of faith.
    They said the girl should have been taken to hospital because she was unable to walk, talk, eat or drink.
    Instead, an ambulance was only called once the girl had stopped breathing.

    Don't you want to kick the feckin' grin off his, (and laughin' boy next to him) face?

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    This is the result of inbreeding. Look at the freak. What a hick.

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    I never understand the logic of these tits (stupid, I know, to think that anyone who believes that a cruel, lazy, beardy old guy in the sky is going to save his child actually has any logic but still) - why is it health that gets singled out? Why does he have to put God before the doctor but not before the butcher or the car mechanic? Surely, by his logic, he's being a Godless heathen by going to MacDonalds rather than praying for divine intervention when he opens his previously empty fridge. And the cock has a lawyer. Shouldn't he put his faith in God to speak through him? Arsehole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Farang
    This is the result of inbreeding. Look at the freak. What a hick.
    No it's the result of religion, nice to get an example of christian mind fucks as well. Hope he gets the maximum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.
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    "Where's your god now?"
    He probably wanted to get rid of her.

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    The US and its people are so screwed up.

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    Just a matter of time until Butters jumps in to tell us how good god is...

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    A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.
    Let's all pray that his god ignores his appeal as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    The US and its people are so screwed up.
    This comment got me a PM from one member with references to world war 2 etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut View Post
    A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.
    The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.
    She died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural Wisconsin in March last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.
    Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, was convicted earlier this year.
    The couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in October.
    A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.
    'Faith healing'
    During the trial, medical experts told the court that Neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.
    On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.
    "If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
    He also said he thought his daughter had had flu or a fever, and that he had not realised how ill she was.
    Neumann's lawyer said he had been convinced that his "faith healing" was working, and that he had committed no crime.
    The prosecution argued that Neumann had minimised his daughter's illness and that he had allowed her to die as a selfish act of faith.
    They said the girl should have been taken to hospital because she was unable to walk, talk, eat or drink.
    Instead, an ambulance was only called once the girl had stopped breathing.
    This story is just so sad. The parents really got themselves mixed up & took things to the extreme.

    Christians do have faith in God's healing, but, this is in addition to good parenting practice, where appropriate medical help must be sought.

    Unfortunately not all Christians are the same - frankly, a vast majority are simply folks who were nutters before becoming Christians. They remained nutters after conversion - sometimes getting far worse.

    A real shame.

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    For some reason, and to make it even worse, this nut was allowed to stay free pending sentencing. That's common in Thailand for a convict to stay out on bail after conviction, but rare in America where you're usually remanded to custody upon conviction. That smirk on his face tells it all, this clown really needs to be someone's prison bitch.

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    I would wager he feels terrible about her death. No doubt blames himself for a lack of faith when it was his judgment that was in error.

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    I believe religion is the root of all evil.

    Another example of how the written words can control and finally destroy one's judgement.

    Poor little girl and he can still smile................no wonder he was found guilty.

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    What a foked up world we live in.(wanted new home on new planet)

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    The smirk on the face of this cretin says it all. We can take solace in the fact that he will soon be raped up the arse on a daily basis. No lube for you, bub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    The US and its people are so screwed up.

    Yep, all of them. Not like the UK,where there are no psychotics or evil people.
    We few, we happy few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Farang View Post
    This is the result of inbreeding. Look at the freak. What a hick.

    Faith Healing and diddling your hot niece.

    IT'S A TRAP!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    but rare in America where you're usually remanded to custody upon conviction.
    not so rare.

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    I'm an atheist American interested in philosophy and this doesn't only happen with Christians in the states, but all over the world and in different religions. Faith in eastern medicine and the Indians of the Americas are two that come to mind. I used to go fishing with one of these Pentecostal ministers in Eastern Tennessee and he was a character. He always suggested we pray before we started fishing and he would pray when he caught something. I would just go along with it and stand there. No harm. We used to have many discussions on Christianity since he knew I was atheist and wanted to convert me. Differences of opinion challenge us and he was a pretty nice guy so it never really bothered me. Some of these guys in more isolated areas drink poison and handle poisonous snakes to prove their faith. There is a verse in the Bible that says,"do not tempt the Lord thy God" so if you come into contact with one of these people remind them of that.
    "he who thinks he knows, does not know; he who thinks he does not know, knows." Lao Tzu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Farang View Post
    This is the result of inbreeding. Look at the freak. What a hick.
    This fellow is from Wisconsin not Appallachia.
    The only inbreeding in Wisconsin is between dairy cattle.

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    No matter what brand they choose, religious ppl all suffer from the same mental illness - it's called delusion.

    He always suggested we pray before we started fishing and he would pray when he caught something. I would just go along with it and stand there. No harm.
    I used to have a similar view, however I now believe atheists are too tolerant of religion. These beliefs are dangerous and have no basis in fact. Look at all the Thais who drive dangerously thinking that are somehow protected because a monk blessed their car. The bible says gays should be killed, not to mention the wars and hatred.

    We used to have many discussions on Christianity since he knew I was atheist and wanted to convert me. Differences of opinion challenge us and he was a pretty nice guy so it never really bothered me.
    Personally I think religion is a form of child abuse, I wonder how he would have felt if you suggested that to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watterninja
    Unfortunately not all Christians are the same - frankly, a vast majority are simply folks who were nutters before becoming Christians. They remained nutters after conversion - sometimes getting far worse.
    But the same value of life is placed on these people, they allowed their girl to die without medical attention which is their choice as inbred, brainwashed hicks - I wonder how the girl would have died.

    Anyway, instead of letting nature take it's course the law system kicks into play on the basis that murder is so bad because we humans are such a precious and dwindling species - the last thing we need to do is allow one to die, there's only 6.5 billion of us, or is it 6.7 now?

    This man should be put on trial at the tax payers expense, plastered all over the media as far as expat message boards in Thailand and forgotten about in some semi nice jail for the next two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    The US and its people are so screwed up.
    why, cos they are religious nutters? if you want religious nutters in Asia, so to the philippines where they really love fucking Jesus

    they always asume that all white people are 'americanos' but they can't answer the question when i say what about Jesus, lol

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