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    ^ Until his next post full of coscksuckers, motherfuckers and the like. Kudos to BB for trying to be nice, though.

    Hatie?

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    Term of endearment. Trying to subtly make peace
    Not Likely Hatie

    Until his next post full of coscksuckers, motherfuckers and the like.
    Just call em the way I see em.

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    Swine flu deaths in the US have risen to 263. Deemed a national crisis with strong government measures to curtail the "pandemic".

    30,000 gunshot deaths annually in US. About half are suicides as some have noted. So 15,000 folks done in by other folks. So far no mention of pandemic.

    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Term of endearment. Trying to subtly make peace
    Not Likely Hatie

    Umm, that was panda's quote . . .


    Until his next post full of coscksuckers, motherfuckers and the like.
    Just call em the way I see em.

    You see people suck cock? You see people have sex with their mothers? Either you hang out in strange places or it stems from your personal experience.


    30.000 gunshot deaths are clearly so minuscule, according to some here, given a population of 300 million

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    Here HAT, this will save you some time in stalking me and having to respond to every post I make.

    This message is hidden because panama hat is on your ignore list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    30.000 gunshot deaths are clearly so minuscule, according to some here, given a population of 300 million
    Desperate avoidance of self-incrimination noted -- by avoiding the issue of alcoholism, tobacco, and fat-lazy lifestyle induced deaths - yep, just as I thought.

    Thanks for playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Swine flu deaths in the US have risen to 263. Deemed a national crisis with strong government measures to curtail the "pandemic".

    30,000 gunshot deaths annually in US. About half are suicides as some have noted. So 15,000 folks done in by other folks. So far no mention of pandemic.
    Dumb 'argument'.

    Aside from the fact that 263 deaths from 'mexico flu' pales compared to regular flu deaths, which numbered around 36,000 each year, in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    30,000 gunshot deaths annually in US. About half are suicides as some have noted. So 15,000 folks done in by other folks. So far no mention of pandemic.
    Of those 15,000, you would also need to subtract those that were killed by law enforcement in the act of committing a violent crime -- hint: it's more than 3/4 of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    Bad parenting and personal lack of responsibility -- taking the guns away, won't make the causes go away.
    No, but it'll make the accidental shooting deaths of children go away. That's a good start.
    So, then these kids will off each other by falling off the balcony, or drinking poison, or stabbing each other while 'playing', or running in front of a car, or drowning in the toilet bowl....

    So, what will you do next? Outlaw balconies, take away toilet bowls, make sure all knives are plastic and dull, ...?

    Here's a newsflash -- people die. All the time. A lot of it is accidental. A lot from stupidity. Some of it apparently unfairly.

    Go complain to God (good luck with that), or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or 'The Universe', or what have you.

    Welcome to natural selection.

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    so what are you saying Quack Quack ? that you support gun nuts and their silly laws ?

    what a surprise

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Dumb 'argument'.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Of those 15,000, you would also need to subtract those that were killed by law enforcement in the act of committing a violent crime -- hint: it's more than 3/4 of those.
    Hint, those committing the violent crimes must have been using guns or are you saying the cops shoot unarmed people.

    Granted, the comparison to swine flu is sarcastic but no matter the reason for gun deaths, to argue nothing needs to be done to reduce the number of deaths not acceptable. The sense I get is there is no give on either side of the debate. It's either ban all firearms or there is no problem with the status quo.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Bad parenting and personal lack of responsibility
    In this case as well as many others like it, if the parents of a 4 year old were thrown in the slammer for a few years, others might make sure they really do have their firearms 100% secure from access by the kids.

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    having other leading causes of death doesn't excuse the gun laws. They don't make any sense in a modern society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    Bad parenting and personal lack of responsibility -- taking the guns away, won't make the causes go away.
    No, but it'll make the accidental shooting deaths of children go away. That's a good start.
    So, then these kids will off each other by falling off the balcony, or drinking poison, or stabbing each other while 'playing', or running in front of a car, or drowning in the toilet bowl....
    An utterly ridiculous argument.
    Following that logic, people who take heroin will just go and drink alcohol for a buzz so you may as well make heroin legal.
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Welcome to natural selection.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Dumb 'argument'.
    ....................

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    Quack Quack you seem to be on the wrong side of every issue, a real fanatic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    In this case as well as many others like it, if the parents of a 4 year old were thrown in the slammer for a few years, others might make sure they really do have their firearms 100% secure from access by the kids.
    THAT would be a better start - you bet people would learn responsibility real quick, if they had to deal with consequences, instead of a slap on the wrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Following that logic, people who take heroin will just go and drink alcohol for a buzz so you may as well make heroin legal.
    Since Alcohol is legal (as well as tobacco), yes, I would agree that other drugs should be legalized as well.

    Lovely how the rather damning numbers of alcohol and tobacco deaths are being ignored regularly by smokers and drinkers...

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    There is in place in most states, laws that say that guns will have trigger locks, stored away where children can not get at them, and other such laws in force to safe gun storage,, so what is needed is better gun law enforcement, not more laws on the books that will not be enforced,, thats the way Thailand operates and you can see what good laws do with no enforcement.
    Education,,education,,,education is what is needed before a gun is sold, proof of the education must be shown..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    There is in place in most states, laws that say that guns will have trigger locks, stored away where children can not get at them, and other such laws in force to safe gun storage,, so what is needed is better gun law enforcement, not more laws on the books that will not be enforced,, thats the way Thailand operates and you can see what good laws do with no enforcement.
    Education,,education,,,education is what is needed before a gun is sold, proof of the education must be shown..

    so that would mean you would not be allowed to own a gun BG?

    from what you have told us before, and nor would most other gun-toting US citizens


    oh damn

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    There is in place in most states, laws that say that guns will have trigger locks, stored away where children can not get at them, and other such laws in force to safe gun storage,, so what is needed is better gun law enforcement, not more laws on the books that will not be enforced,, thats the way Thailand operates and you can see what good laws do with no enforcement.
    Education,,education,,,education is what is needed before a gun is sold, proof of the education must be shown..
    Such laws are unenforceable. Even if the cops were authorized to do random searches of registered gun owners homes, there are still the millions of illegal unregistered guns out there.

    Gun owners who buy guns for home protection are unlikely to sleep with their guns unloaded, and locked in a cupboard somewhere else in the house. They are going to want to have their guns handy and ready to fire in some place like under the bed, or in the bedside drawer where kids can find them.

    The problem is not better gun education, although I recognize that it might help , ---- the problem is that USA is awash with guns both legally and illegally owned. And that some of those guns are inevitably going to fall into the hands of little kids with tragic results.

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    So, how about all that legally available alcohol and tobacco -- way more kids are being murdered by drunk drivers, and far more harm comes to children from second hand smoke.... What about that, or does it feel safer to stick your head in the sand from issues that might be hitting a bit too close to home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    So, how about all that legally available alcohol and tobacco -- way more kids are being murdered by drunk drivers, and far more harm comes to children from second hand smoke.... What about that, or does it feel safer to stick your head in the sand from issues that might be hitting a bit too close to home?
    How many little kids get shot dead with a pack of cigarettes or a can of beer?

    If you want to start a new thread about the dangers of alcohol and tobacco to little kids, please feel free to do so. Otherwise try to stay on subject. -- difficult as that may be for you.

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    OK So hows this
    Doctors Kill More People than Guns & Traffic Accidents combined

    The top five causes of death in the United States, in order, are tobacco, alcohol, medical malpractice, traffic and firearms. According to JAMA, doctors kill more people than auto accidents and guns. With that in mind, one has to wonder why gun control is such a hot legislative issue when, perhaps, we should be more concerned about doctor control

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    An interesting diversion from the subject at hand.
    Probably worthy of its own thread if the claims can be substantiated.
    But really has nothing to do with the gun control debate.

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    How about this then,

    Risky Behavior, Juveniles, Guns, and Unintentional Firearms Fatalities

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    New Mexico State University Risky behaviors contribute to a host of teenage misfortunes, including high rates of sexually transmitted diseases, teen pregnancies, and accidental deaths. This state-level study examines whether these behaviors also contribute to unintentional firearms fatalities in juvenile populations. Controlling for indicators of socioeconomic status, social disorganization, and the firearms density, the authors found that these unintentional deaths are consistently associated with state-level indicators of risky behavior. Accidental firearms deaths were also associated with rural populations as well as reductions in socioeconomic status. Also examined were the influences of child access prevention (safe storage), overall firearms laws, and background checks on firearms fatalities. Contrary to initial expectations, child access prevention laws were significantly associated with lower rates of unintentional firearms fatalities in the general population but were not associated with reductions in accidental firearms deaths in juvenile populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    How many little kids get shot dead with a pack of cigarettes or a can of beer?
    You're right -- emphysema and cancers are slow, lingering deaths that can extend pain for years --- car accidents can leave their victims in a disfigured state for the rest of their lives -- I am glad to see that pain and suffering are worthwhile prices to pay for you to feel 'right'.


    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    If you want to start a new thread about the dangers of alcohol and tobacco to little kids, please feel free to do so.
    Unwillingness to deal with your usual hypocrisy duly noted...

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