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    UK - Police to be armed with stun guns

    Police to be armed with stun guns


    Tasers have been fired more than 1,000 times since 2004

    About 30,000 police officers across all forces in England and Wales are to be trained to use Taser stun guns.

    Currently, only specialist firearms officers carry the weapon, which can temporarily disable a suspect.

    Now the government has announced plans to buy 10,000 more Tasers and extend their use to all frontline officers.

    Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said police needed tools to protect themselves and the public. Amnesty International is warning against using Tasers routinely.

    Ms Smith said: "I am proud that we have one of the few police services around the world that do not regularly carry firearms and I want to keep it that way.
    "But every day the police put themselves in danger to protect us, the public.
    "They deserve our support, so I want to give the police the tools they tell me they need to confront dangerous people.
    "That is why I am giving the police 10,000 Tasers to ensure that officers across the country benefit from this form of defence."

    Electric shock

    Experts say Tasers are a less dangerous alternative to conventional firearms.
    Police shoot two barbed darts trailing wires from a special gun, which then delivers a powerful electric shock, temporarily incapacitating the suspect.




    'I've been Tasered 200 times'
    Sharp shock to deal with violence


    Officers in England and Wales have fired the 50,000-volt stun guns more than 1,000 times since 2004.

    The Home Office plans to spend 8m on 10,000 new Tasers.

    It follows a year-long pilot scheme which saw their use extended to frontline officers in 10 police forces.

    All officers issued with Tasers will need to attend an 18-hour training course, spread over two to three days, as well as an annual "refresher" course to keep them up to date with develoments.

    Alan Campbell, the Home Office minister responsible for crime reduction, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the government had taken independent medical advice and that Tasers were "low risk".
    He said: "They're used under very strict circumstances and there are very clear guidelines.
    "Last year they were only used on 93 occasions out of the more than 600 that they were deployed. We don't expect them to be used as a weapon of choice routinely.
    "I am sure one of the intentions is to make sure we don't need to use guns as often."

    The decision to extend the use of Tasers has been welcomed by the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and by the Police Federation of England and Wales, which represents rank-and-file officers.






    ACPO's spokesman, and the assistant chief constable of Northamptonshire Police, Derek Talbot, said trials showed in the majority of cases Tasers helped police resolve incidents without resorting to a weapon.

    Paul McKeever, chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, which represents rank-and-file officers, said the move recognised the "vital role" the weapons played in the fight against crime.

    He said Tasers were an "effective and "less lethal alternative" to firearms.

    But Oliver Sprague, of Amnesty International UK, told the BBC's Today programme the organisation's research indicated more than 320 people had died in the US since 2001 after they were "Tasered".

    Ministers say they "do not recognise" Amnesty's fatality figures.

    Mr Sprague said Amnesty was especially concerned about the welfare of vulnerable people who had "emotional" problems or were under the influence of drugs.

    Registered training

    He said: "Amnesty is not opposed to the use of Tasers but they should be limited."
    Describing the plans to extend the use of Tasers as "extreme", he said: "No matter how intensive the training is, the officers will only have had two days' worth."
    He called on the home secretary to review her decision and restrict the use of Tasers to a small number of fully-trained officers.

    Lib Dem MP Lembit Opik told Radio 5live he did not believe the weapons should be made available to ordinary officers.
    "We're talking about increasing the firepower of the police in a way that I think brutalises the entire service," he said.


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    The funny thing about this is that stun guns first started being shipped into the UK about 20 years ago, they retailed for around 50 quid, the government and police really panicked and decided to put stun guns under the section 5 fire arm laws, section 5 fire arms are sub machine guns and stuff like that, so at that time they considered stun guns to be more dangerous than normal fire arms, now they are being armed with them, funny old world.

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    I'm glad the Police have been trained to point or I wouldn't know which one was the villain

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    First he says this,
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    I am proud that we have one of the few police services around the world that do not regularly carry firearms and I want to keep it that way.
    And then this,
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "I am sure one of the intentions is to make sure we don't need to use guns as often."
    So do they really shoot folks sometimes and how do they do it if they don't pack guns?

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    What he doesn't mention is that every town in the UK has an armed response unit, upto a 3rd of the Metropolitan police are qualified to carry firearms and regualry do so, of course that puts a slight different spin on it that says the UK is a gunless society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by news article
    Officers in England and Wales have fired the 50,000-volt stun guns more than 1,000 times since 2004.
    Shocking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    What he doesn't mention is that every town in the UK has an armed response unit
    Every UK Police Station was required to have trained firearm officers as far back as 1981

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    8mil on 10,000 tazers? They must have a Thai accountant. That makes each one, err, hold on,............. 800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    8mil on 10,000 tazers? They must have a Thai accountant. That makes each one, err, hold on,............. 800.
    But you do not expect them lime suckers to for the cheap shit do you?

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    So how big is the settlement if a criminal is robbing a liquor store in Brixton and wags the knife from the shopkeep to a few cops that happen upon the scene, and they taze him and he breaks a fingernail whil(st) falling to the ground.

    Set for life, ain't he?

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    My brother is a Firearms Officer in London. He has told me that the Tazer was effective but not on everyone that it was used on.
    They had a incident in London the other week where the Tazer was fired at a guy who had been on the drug PCP. Both Tazer operator and the hood went through a window together when the hood went for the Cop when the tazer hit him.
    So it seems its not the perfect replacement for the SIG 228 or the Glock.
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    ^^
    Unfortunately......you're probably correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    But you do not expect them lime suckers to for the cheap shit do you?
    No, but they are 2,500thb for the taser dart guns in MBK.

    How much difference can there be? They will both be made in China.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    frontline officers
    It's a war now with all the illegal trash the UK has imported in the last 20 years.

    We should be repatriating, not arming our Police.
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    Yet Australia is reviewing its use of stun guns. They are concered about the frequency the police are using them.

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    Non-lethal weapons are on the rise everywhere.

    They'll continue to be popular in places where you can assure a child or teen isn't surrendering only to blow the whole place up when the cops come in to investigate.

    Are you guys genetically slow or is it a cultural (read naive) thing?

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    shocking news I just hope the whole thing will backfire on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    So how big is the settlement if a criminal is robbing a liquor store in Brixton and wags the knife from the shopkeep to a few cops that happen upon the scene, and they taze him and he breaks a fingernail whil(st) falling to the ground.

    Set for life, ain't he?
    Only if he's ....and .... or.....

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