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    Al-Qaida No. 2 insults Obama in new audio message

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    Al-Qaida No. 2 insults Obama with racial epithet - Yahoo! News

    Al-Qaida No. 2 insults Obama in new audio message



    CAIRO,Egypt – Al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri insulted Barack Obama in the terror group's first reaction to his election, calling him a demeaning racial term implying that the president-elect is a black American who does the bidding of whites.


    The message appeared chiefly aimed at persuading Muslims and Arabs that Obama does not represent a change in U.S. policies. Al-Zawahri said in the message, which appeared on militant Web sites Wednesday, that Obama is "the direct opposite of honorable black Americans" like Malcolm X, the 1960s African-American rights leader.


    Al-Zawahri also called Obama — along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice — "house negroes."


    Speaking in Arabic, al-Zawahri uses the term "abeed al-beit," which literally translates as "house slaves." But al-Qaida supplied English subtitles of his speech that included the translation as "house negroes."


    The message also includes old footage of speeches by Malcolm X in which he explains the term, saying black slaves who worked in their white masters' house were more servile than those who worked in the fields. Malcolm X used the term to criticize black leaders he accused of not standing up to whites.


    The 11-minute 23-second video features the audio message by al-Zawahri, who appears only in a still image, along with other images, including one of Obama wearing a Jewish skullcap as he meets with Jewish leaders. In his speech, al-Zawahri refers to a Nov. 5 U.S. airstrike attack in Afghanistan, meaning the video was made after that date.


    Al-Zawahri said Obama's election has not changed American policies he said are aimed at oppressing Muslims and others.


    "America has put on a new face, but its heart full of hate, mind drowning in greed, and spirit which spreads evil, murder, repression and despotism continue to be the same as always," the deputy of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden said.


    He said Obama's plan to shift troops to Afghanistan is doomed to failure, because Afghans will resist.


    "Be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them," he said.
    Al-Zawahri did not threaten specific attacks, but warned Obama that he was "facing a Jihadi (holy war) awakening and renaissance which is shaking the pillars of the entire Islamic world; and this is the fact which you and your government and country refuse to recognize and pretend not to see."


    He said Obama's victory showed Americans acknowledged that President George W. Bush's policies were a failure and that the result was an "admission of defeat in Iraq."


    But Obama's professions of support for Israel during the election campaign "confirmed to the Ummah (Islamic world) that you have chosen a stance of hostility to Islam and Muslims," al-Zawahri said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    "Be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them," he said.
    he's even insulting his own jihadists now?? In Islam it is one of the worst of all insults to refer to another human especially Muslim, as a "dog".. major blunder there me thinks...

    he's showing his real colors now isn't he? I like it, it really paints them as what they have always been but have now openly confessed... bigoted, racists with a supremacist agenda that rivals Hitler.....

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    Perhaps it's a psychological trick....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    "Be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them," he said.
    he's even insulting his own jihadists now?? In Islam it is one of the worst of all insults to refer to another human especially Muslim, as a "dog".. major blunder there me thinks...

    he's showing his real colors now isn't he? I like it, it really paints them as what they have always been but have now openly confessed... bigoted, racists with a supremacist agenda that rivals Hitler.....
    I think he literally meant dogs, as in canines. The idea being that the bodies of US soldiers are carrion to be eaten by dogs, and the bodies are so numerous that the dogs have developed a taste for them. I don't think he would refer to the Afghan people as dogs, even if that's how he thought of them. In this speech he seems to be "big upping" their prowess as skilled fighters and defenders of their homeland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killerbees View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    "Be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them," he said.
    he's even insulting his own jihadists now?? In Islam it is one of the worst of all insults to refer to another human especially Muslim, as a "dog".. major blunder there me thinks...

    he's showing his real colors now isn't he? I like it, it really paints them as what they have always been but have now openly confessed... bigoted, racists with a supremacist agenda that rivals Hitler.....
    I think he literally meant dogs, as in canines. The idea being that the bodies of US soldiers are carrion to be eaten by dogs, and the bodies are so numerous that the dogs have developed a taste for them. I don't think he would refer to the Afghan people as dogs, even if that's how he thought of them. In this speech he seems to be "big upping" their prowess as skilled fighters and defenders of their homeland.
    no he doesn't mean "canines"...he means the Afghan fighters and no matter how you spin it he's insulting them, they wouldn't nor should they see it like your suggesting if they are true muslims..because as a general rule muslims don't even keep dogs because they consider them to be unclean and satanic..

    "The majority of both Sunni and Shi'a Muslim jurists consider dogs to be ritually unclean, though jurists from the Sunni Maliki school disagree.[13] However, outside their ritual uncleanness, Islamic fatwas, or rulings, enjoin that dogs be treated kindly or else be freed. [14]
    Muslims generally cast dogs in a negative light because of their ritual impurity. The story of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus in the Qur'an (and also role of the dog in early Christianity) is one of the striking exceptions.[15] Muhammad didn't like dogs according to Sunni tradition, and most practicing Muslims do not have dogs as pets.[9] It is said that angels do not enter a house which contains a dog. Though dogs are not allowed for pets, according to a generally unaccepted Sunni tradition attributed to Muhammad, black dogs are evil, or even devils, in animal form."

    even if he did mean it that way put him on his back heels and make him backpedal by having some notable Muslim leaders present it that way...it's a fock up...and the west should spin it as such..this is as much a media war as it is a political one.. why they released the tape in the first place..

    ironic thing here is that in many cultures that believe in Satan they also believe that dogs are to be kept to recognize Satan in all his forms and why so many people believe dogs like or dislike some people, I.E. vampires...but yet muslims don't generally like dogs? hmmmmm? makes one wonder? though I'm not willing to condemn an entire religion for the travesty of a few..
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    Aren't we fortunate to have our own TD team of SIGINT intel experts to decifer and translate the true meanings of Al-Qaida messaging.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Aren't we fortunate to have our own TD team of SIGINT intel experts to decifer and translate the true meanings of Al-Qaida messaging.....
    innit just! pay attention... you might learn something...
    Last edited by DrivingForce; 20-11-2008 at 12:18 AM. Reason: content

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Aren't we fortunate to have our own TD team of SIGINT intel experts to decifer and translate the true meanings of Al-Qaida messaging.....
    you know it! pay attention... you might learn something...
    Heh...highly unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Aren't we fortunate to have our own TD team of SIGINT intel experts to decifer and translate the true meanings of Al-Qaida messaging.....
    you know it! pay attention... you might learn something...
    Heh...highly unlikely.
    you know the saying about ignorant people and thinking they have nothing to learn right?

    where did Paul Smithson go anyway? haven't seen him in a while have we?

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    DF, with all due respect, you seem to really be full of yourself.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    DF, with all due respect, you seem to really be full of yourself.....
    i'm not the one that claimed to be omniscient!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    DF, with all due respect, you seem to really be full of yourself.....
    Jesus Christ in a rocking chair, And here I been thinking he was just full of shit.


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    The link provided paraphrases things that would get the biggest reaction from US readers. "House negro" "dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious" and "facing a Jihad" in particular. None of these have relevance to potential followers of AQ.

    The failure of the western media to point out the most important bit of the message again shows how ignorant they are regarding Islam.

    This bit which they failed to mention is one which is by far the most significant of all his rants.

    "You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand with the enemies of Muslims."

    A person born to a Muslim father is considered a Muslim within the faith. With this statement he has labeled Obama an apostate. Apostasy in Islam is defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.

    The four major Sunni and the one major Shia schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.

    So now much to the worry of the Secret Service, Obama will have Muslim nutters and Right Wing racists in the US gunning for him.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    well now ain't that just a bitch.
    Worry, worry, worry.

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    Well, BO better get used to it 'cause he's gonna look worse than that bastard step-child Jimmuh before it's thru...

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    it's no mistery Arabs always regarded negroes as the lowest human race. That's true also for Russians and Chinese, as well whatever culture not brainwashed by "politically correct" trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    DF, with all due respect, you seem to really be full of yourself.....
    Jesus Christ in a rocking chair, And here I been thinking he was just full of shit.

    gee thanks for that BG not sure what crawled up you and died, but ditto right back at ya ten fold..

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    More bullshit rhetoric from the resident Al-Qaida towel-head in charge... Dogs, Negroes, Apostates, phew... Yet they hide in caves, strap bombs to women & children, brainwash their own people from birth and call US infidels...

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    Full translation of Al-Zawahiri's message;

    In the Name of Allah, and all Praise is due to Allah, and Prayers and Peace on the Messenger of Allah and on his family, Companions and allies.

    Muslim brothers everywhere: Peace be upon you and the Mercy of Allah and His blessings. As for what comes after:

    Barack Obama has won the presidency of the United States of America, and on this occasion, I would like to send several messages.

    First, a message of congratulations to the Muslim Ummah on the American people’s admission of defeat in Iraq. Although the evidence of America’s defeat in Iraq appeared years ago, Bush and his administration continued to be stubborn and deny the brilliant midday sun. If Bush has achieved anything, it is in his transfer of America’s disaster and predicament to his successor. But the American people, by electing Obama, declared its anxiety and apprehension about the future towards which the policy of the likes of Bush is leading it, and so it decided to support someone calling for withdrawal from Iraq.

    The second of these messages is to the new president of the United States. I tell him: you have reached the position of president, and a heavy legacy of failure and crimes awaits you. A failure in Iraq to which you have admitted, and a failure in Afghanistan to which the commanders of your army have admitted. The other thing to which I want to bring your attention is that what you’ve announced about how you’re going to reach an understanding with Iran and pull your troops out of Iraq to send them to Afghanistan is a policy which was destined for failure before it was born. It appears that you don’t know anything about the Muslim Ummah and its history, and the fate of the traitors who cooperated with the invaders against it, and don’t know anything about the history of Afghanistan and its free and defiant Muslim people. And if you still want to be stubborn about America’s failure in Afghanistan, then remember the fate of Bush and Pervez Musharraf, and the fate of the Soviets and British before them. And be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them.

    As for the crimes of America which await you, it appears that you continue to be captive to the same criminal American mentality towards the world and towards the Muslims. The Muslim Ummah received with extreme bitterness your hypocritical statements to and stances towards Israel, which confirmed to the Ummah that you have chosen a stance of hostility to Islam and Muslims.

    You represent the direct opposite of honorable black Americans like Malik al-Shabazz, or Malcolm X (may Allah have mercy on him). You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand in the ranks of the enemies of the Muslims, and pray the prayer of the Jews, although you claim to be Christian, in order to climb the rungs of leadership in America. And so you promised to back Israel, and you threatened to strike the tribal regions in Pakistan, and to send thousands more troops to Afghanistan, in order for the crimes of the American Crusade in it to continue. And last Monday, your aircraft killed 40 Afghan Muslims at a wedding party in Kandahar. As for Malik al-Shabazz (may Allah have mercy on him), he was born to a black pastor killed by white bigots, but Allah favored him with guidance to Islam, and so he prided himself on his fraternity with the Muslims, and he condemned the crimes of the Crusader West against the weak and oppressed, and he declared his support for peoples resisting American occupation, and he spoke about the worldwide revolution against the Western power structure.

    That’s why it wasn’t strange that Malik al-Shabazz (may Allah have mercy on him) was killed, while you have climbed the rungs of the presidency to take over the leadership of the greatest criminal force in the history of mankind and the leadership of the most violent Crusade ever against the Muslims.

    And in you and in Colin Powell, Rice and your likes, the words of Malcolm X (may Allah have mercy on him) concerning “House Negroes” are confirmed.
    You also must appreciate, as you take over the presidency of America during its Crusade against Islam and Muslims, that you are neither facing individuals nor organizations, but are facing a Jihadi awakening and renaissance which is shaking the pillars of the entire Islamic world; and this is the fact which you and your government and country refuse to recognize and pretend not to see.

    As for the third message, it is to the Muslim Ummah. I tell it: America, the criminal, trespassing Crusader, continues to be the same as ever, so we must continue to harm it, in order for it to come to its senses, because its criminal, expansionist Crusader project in your lands has only been neutralized by the sacrifices of your sons, the Mujahideen. This, then, is the path, so stick to it.

    As for the fourth message, it is to the lions of Islam, the Mujahideen. I tell them: may Allah reward you in the best way for your historic heroics, which have ruined America’s plans and rendered its projects ineffective. So be firm and resolute. Your enemy’s stagger has begun, so don’t stop hitting him.

    And I say to my brothers the Mujahideen in Iraq in general and the Islamic State of Iraq in particular, and to its Amir, the towering mountain Abu ‘Umar al-Baghdadi: your enemy has admitted defeat, and the forthcoming stage is expected to be dominated by conspiracies and betrayals in order to cover the American withdrawal, so you must persevere, for victory is in an hour of perseverance.

    And I tell my brothers, the lions of Islam in Somalia: rejoice in victory and conquest. America is gathering its wounds in Iraq, and Ethiopia is looking for a way out, and for this reason, the stage of conspiracies and machinations has begun. So hold tightly to the truth for which you have given your lives, and don’t put down your weapons before the Mujahid state of Islam and Tawheed has been set up in Somalia.

    And I tell all Mujahideen everywhere: the Hubal of the age has begun to falter and recede, and Allah has granted you success and honored you by making you the most important cause of that, so be resolute on the path of Jihad until you meet your Lord while He is pleased with you.
    And my fifth message is to all the world’s weak and oppressed. I tell them: America has put on a new face, but its heart full of hate, mind drowning in greed, and spirit which spreads evil, murder, repression and despotism continue to be the same as always. And the Mujahideen of Islam, by the grace of Allah, continue to be the spearhead of the resistance against it to restrain it from injustice, aggression and arrogance.

    As for my final message, it is to the American people. I tell it: you incurred defeat and losses from the foolish actions of Bush and his gang, and at the same time, Shaykh Usama bin Ladin (may Allah preserve him) sent you a message to withdraw from the lands of the Muslims and refrain from stealing their treasures and interfering in their affairs. So choose for yourself whatever you like, and bear the consequences of your choice, and as you judge, you will be judged.

    And our final prayer is that all praise is due to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, and may Allah send prayers and peace on our Master Muhammad and his family and Companions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib View Post
    More bullshit rhetoric from the resident Al-Qaida towel-head in charge... Dogs, Negroes, Apostates, phew... Yet they hide in caves, strap bombs to women & children, brainwash their own people from birth and call US infidels...
    Interesting you say towel-head in charge, Bin Laden gets all the publicity but it's obvious Zawahiri is the brains of the movement.

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    ^Pretty much a given he is running the show these days. I think the leadership of AQ is completely isolated. The noose is tightening and won't be long until they will be out of business. The AQ "vision" will likely carry on but the head will be cut off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    The four major Sunni and the one major Shia schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.
    Wow. Are you suggesting that the five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence are taking orders from or heeding the advice of Al Qaida terrorist Ayman al-Zawahri?

    Do Canadians think all Muslims are Al Qaida.

    What about the squillions of jillions of moderate, peace-loving Muslims who see through this rhetoric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    What about the squillions of jillions of moderate, peace-loving Muslims who see through this rhetoric.
    Them's the ones that voted for The One...

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    But now they gots to off the Messiah 'cause al-Zawahri said so. Even though they are peace-loving, moderate Muzzies that don't wear black tarpaulins and love Mickey Mouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    Wow. Are you suggesting that the five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence are taking orders from or heeding the advice of Al Qaida terrorist Ayman al-Zawahri?
    Nope. Just stating what is the prevailing thought within these "learned" scholars is reported to be. Twas this thinking that put old Simon Rushdi (spelling?) on the run.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    Do Canadians think all Muslims are Al Qaida.
    Not sure what the canucks think. You need to ask Jet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    What about the squillions of jillions of moderate, peace-loving Muslims who see through this rhetoric.
    They will ignore it just as much as most Americans will. Nothing but the ravings of an impotent fanatic.

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