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sabang · 30-05-2008, 11:48 AM

What should we do with them?

"Eliminate the Infidels". Osama bin Laden
"Bring them Freedom and Democracy". George W Bush
Ensure "total autonomy" for the isolated tribes- The Funai Foundation, Brazil.
"Chop down their hardwood trees, and put them to work on cow ranches"- Mcdonalds & Loggers
"Sell them Guns, so they can thrive"- the Arms trade
"Open a Brothel" - DD
"Have they got any Ladyboys?" - BF

It is amazing to think, in this day and age, that there are tribes out there that have never been in touch with Western, errm, Civilization. There are more than 100 uncontacted tribes worldwide, most of them in Brazil and Peru, according to Funai, a government funded Brazilian foundation. Theres said to be a few in parts of the Phillipines too, and quite likely in deepest, darkest Borneo. Possibly in New Guinea and Micronesia as well.

Heres one that was recently spotted in Amazonia for the first time-

Members of an unknown Amazon Basin tribe and their dwellings are seen during a flight over the Brazilian state of Acre along the border with Peru.

They responded by firing arrows at the whirlybird. What an amazing thing it must be, to see such a flying contraption as a helicopter for the first time. Or a paleface. They must have heard them in the distance before though, and perhaps the chainsaws of illegal Loggers too. Such horrific sounds, when all you know is the sound of the forest.

From the Sydney Morning Herald:-

Uncontacted Indian tribe sighted in the Amazon

One of Brazil's last uncontacted Indian tribes has been spotted in the far western Amazon jungle near the Peruvian border, the National Indian Foundation said yesterday.

The Indians were sighted in an Ethno-Environmental Protected Area along the Envira River in flights over remote Acre state, said the government foundation, known as Funai.

Funai said it photographed "strong and healthy" warriors, six huts and a large planted area. But it was not known to which tribe they belonged, Funai said.
"Four distinct isolated peoples exist in this region, whom we have accompanied for 20 years," Funai expert Jose Carlos Meirelles Junior said in a statement on Thursday.

Funai does not make contact with the Indians and prevents invasions of their land, to ensure "total autonomy" for the isolated tribes, the foundation said.
Survival International said the Indians are in danger from illegal logging in Peru, which is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated 500 uncontacted Indians now living on the Brazilian side.

There are more than 100 uncontacted tribes worldwide, most of them in Brazil and Peru, the group said in a statement.

"These pictures are further evidence that uncontacted tribes really do exist," Survival director Stephen Corry said.

"The world needs to wake up to this and ensure that their territory is protected in accordance with international law. Otherwise, they will soon be made extinct."

Tribe found in the Amazon - World - smh.com.au

Looper · 30-05-2008, 11:52 AM

I like the last photo where they are trying to bring down the helicopter with bows and arrows

I wonder why one of them is miles darker than the others.

BBC NEWS | In Pictures | In pictures: Brazil tribe

Looper · 30-05-2008, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looper

I wonder why one of them is miles darker than the others.

Maybe very hairy? Distant relative of KW?

buad hai · 30-05-2008, 12:05 PM

Looks to me like they've died their skin different colors. Some look very red and then there's the one very dark one.

How silly that anyone would want to change the color of their skin.

Happyman · 30-05-2008, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buad hai

Looks to me like they've died their skin different colors. Some look very red and then there's the one very dark one.

How silly that anyone would want to change the color of their skin.

Hence the rows of tourists getting brown in the sun and the shelves in Watsons filled with skin whitnening cosmetics !
Wierd!!!

sabang · 30-05-2008, 12:34 PM

I have visited a couple of 'lost tribes' who's first contact with Western civilization has been during my lifetime, i.e. since 1960. I wish I could say it is an uplifting experience, but it was quite the opposite.

THE MANGYAN, Mindoro, Phillipines

I've visited Mangyan villages a few times, since 1985. The Filipinos- fisherfolk, weavers and small scale farmers- basically live around the coast in Mindoro- the Interior is dense jungle, and Mangyan country. It was basically assumed back then that there were several Mangyan tribes that would have had absolutely no contact with the West, or even the Filipino's. Those that lived close to the Filipino's had obviously had contact though, and there were and are several Mangyan villages scattered in the hinterland, behind where the Filipino's inhabited. They were considered sub human by the townspeople, prolly still are, and were the butt of much humour.

I was curious to see them, and theres a couple of villages within an hour of Puerto Galera- a tourist destination. Not much nice to report. They lived in absolute filth and squalor. The kids were filthy, barefoot, naked from the waist down. So were many of the women, although the blokes thankfully kept their knobs covered. Such things as a spoon, a lighter or a metal blade were luxuries to these people- oh, and they loved cigarettes. Local townfolk, being aware of this fact, would head up to a Mangyan village, usually pissed with a few mates, and bring a couple of lighters, cigs or grubby old spoons which they would give out. In return for Blow Jobs. Yes, I was offered one.

The only reason I came back was to bring them a few things like old T shirts, Spoons, lighters- that sort of thing. This was both uplifting, and pathetic. The gratitude on their faces was indeed uplifting- the rather obvious gestures offering oral sex & whatever else in return, saddening. My Filipina business partner, who accompanied me, found it all quite bemusing- in fact she got them to bring out some of their younger, prettier ones, to see if I could be tempted into a BJ. My then girlfriend (a Beauty) refused to come- associating with Mangyans was looked down upon.

They basically existed outside the system. I could be wrong, but I don't think you ever saw Mangyans outside of their villages and the jungle. They didn't go to the town markets to sell produce, or anything like that. For a Mangyan woman to be seen in a town, or on a road, was an open invitation to rape or worse anyway- the law didn't apply to them, no more than it applies to a monkey.

I hope their lot has improved.

In short, I do not think that contact with modern civilisation has been anything but bad for these people. They were better off as they were, and the ones that live in the remote jungles are better off than the ones that inhabit the squalid hinterland villages. The same applies to the Bushmen, Hottentots, many New Guinea and Amazonian tribes, even the Australian Aborigines.

I like the sound of this Funai Foundation, although their's is probably a hopeless cause in the long run. I'll try to find out more about them.

EmperorTud · 30-05-2008, 01:08 PM

Why not do as Thailand does with it's tribes?

Keep them in zoo-like captivity, deprive them of human rights and get rich off the profits from tourist visits?

sabang · 30-05-2008, 01:08 PM

Well, heres Wiki with a brief article on the Mangyan.

Mangyan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It says that some that live in proximity to the Filipinos do sell some produce.

These Mangyan are waiting for a bus! No women though.

They even have their own 'Cultural Centre' now. Just maybe, things are getting better for them. It's located in Calapan, a market town not far from touristy Puerto galera.
Mangyan Heritage Center

sabang · 30-05-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

profits from tourist

Oh, they run some 'adventurous' tourists to Mangyan villages for a look see, and Alien blow jobs.

daveboy · 30-05-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looper

I wonder why one of them is miles darker than the others.

Its to do with wealth 2 are in the red & ones in the black

astasinim · 30-05-2008, 01:22 PM

There been a couple of programmes running recently on the Discovery channel, about the lost tribes of western Papua.

http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/worldslosttribes/

Mr Pot · 30-05-2008, 01:27 PM

Stone Age tribe kills fishermen who strayed on to island

By Peter Foster in New Delhi
Last Updated: 1:15AM GMT 08/02/2006

One of the world's last Stone Age tribes has murdered two fishermen whose boat drifted on to a desert island in the Indian Ocean.
The Sentinelese, thought to number between 50 and 200, have rebuffed all contact with the modern world, firing a shower of arrows at anyone who comes within range.

Sentinelese tribesmen prepare to fire arrows at the coastguard helicopter after the fishermen's murder

They are believed to be the last pre-Neolithic tribe in the world to remain isolated and appear to have survived the 2004 Asian tsunami.
The two men killed, Sunder Raj, 48, and Pandit Tiwari, 52, were fishing illegally for mud crabs off North Sentinel Island, a speck of land in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands archipelago.

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low fishermen said they dropped anchor for the night on Jan 25 but fell into a deep sleep, probably helped by large amounts of alcohol.

During the night their anchor, a rock tied to a rope, failed to hold their open-topped boat against the currents and they drifted towards the island.

Tribesmen clamber over the fishermen's beached boat

"As day broke, fellow fishermen say they tried to shout at the men and warn them they were in danger," said Samir Acharya, the head of the Society for Andaman and Nicobar Ecology, an environmental organisation.
"However they did not respond - they were probably drunk - and the boat drifted into the shallows where they were attacked and killed."
After the fishermen's families raised the alarm, the Indian coastguard tried to recover the bodies using a helicopter but was met by the customary hail of arrows.
Photographs shot from the helicopter show the near-naked tribesmen rushing to fire. But the downdraught from its rotors exposed the two fisherman buried in shallow graves and not roasted and eaten, as local rumour suggested.

Sentinel Island locator graphic

Mr Acharya said the erroneous belief in the tribe's cannibalism grew from the practice of another tribe, the Onge, who would cut up and burn their dead to avoid them returning as evil spirits.
"People saw the flesh cooking on the fire and thought they must be cannibals but this incident clearly contradicts that belief," he said.
Attempts to recover the bodies of the two men have been suspended, although the Andaman Islands police chief, Dharmendra Kumar, said an operation might be mounted later.
"Right now, there will be casualties on both sides," he said from Port Blair. "The tribesmen are out in large numbers. We shall let things cool down and once these tribals move to the island's other end we will sneak in and bring back the bodies."
Environmental groups urged the authorities to leave the bodies and respect the three-mile exclusion zone thrown around the island.
In the 1980s and early 1990s many Sentinelese were killed in skirmishes with armed salvage operators who visited the island after a shipwreck. Since then the tribesmen have remained virtually undisturbed.
DNA analysis of another tribe, the Jarawa, whose members made first contact with the outside world in 1997, suggest that the tribesmen migrated from Africa around 60,000 years ago.
However, the experience of the Jarawa since their emergence - sexual exploitation, alcoholism and a measles epidemic - has encouraged efforts to protect the Sentinelese from a similar fate.

I've always been interested by this group and this story

stroller · 30-05-2008, 01:27 PM

If they weren't so lazy, they could work for the logging companies to earn some money to buy guns to defend their autonomous democracy and eliminate the infidels who threaten them.

sabang · 30-05-2008, 01:28 PM

Papua New Guinea is a fascinating coutry, albeit expensive and often dangerous. They have over 750 languages there- more than any other country. I've been to some 'lost tribe' villages there too.

Panda · 30-05-2008, 03:08 PM

Certainly an ethical dilemma that has been debated over by some very knowledgeable people.

Do we leave them in isolation to carry on their lives without the option to integrate into mainstream world society. Leave them in their little sanctuaries like wild animals confined in a National Park? The arguments are compelling on both sides. They live a primitive life style. Life expectancy is relatively short due to lack of access to even basic health care like antibiotics. Yet over and over again experience has shown that once these lost tribes start to become exposed to the outside world their numbers are decimated by diseases against which they have no immunity and ultimately they end up living in misery as second class citizens on the fringes of the very society that "rescued "them.

Rattanaburi · 31-05-2008, 08:02 AM

Well, it's certainly an interesting story. I hope I don't here that a bunch of environmentalists planned this. But if they did, I'm glad they did.

The rightwing christian yahoos just have got to spread the word of the LORD to them. Don't agree with this:"Bring them Freedom and Democracy". George W Bush He's a murderer but that's for another thread.

What should we do? We have things which could bring them better health and a more comfortable life but at the same time we could infect them with diseases they don't have immunity too. By leaving them, we are in a way keeping them in a sort of zoo. How many people actually want to go back to living off the land as their old tribes did? But bringing the modern world to them is just a lie. As I said we have all sorts of things which could improve health etc but the truth is that stuff won't be available to them as it isn't availabel to half of the world right now. People all over the world are dying from all sorts of diseases even though medicine exists to cure those diseases. Capitalism doesn't always take care of the masses.

I think we should just let them live there and stop the logging and intrusions into the Brazilian forest.

If we want a better world we should have less people on it. Less is more. Reducing the world's population over time would be the best thing for all peoples. It might just be that these people think they can save us. Stop laughing. I bet a few of the casualties of our 'wonderful' world would like to have been saved.

Gerbil · 31-05-2008, 08:11 AM

Cool. Aerial photos of CMN's village in Wales.

obsidian · 31-05-2008, 08:48 AM

very nice thread, sabang.

i had seen and saved the article you posted, pot. way cool.

very interesting and somehow life affirming stuff.

seems we are the real "lost" tribes.

would love to see more.

thanks.

klongmaster · 31-05-2008, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buad hai

How silly that anyone would want to change the color of their skin.

BH: you irony will be lost on most of TDs fraternity like Happyman for example...

attaboy · 31-05-2008, 09:25 AM

I wonder what their average lifespan is since they don't consume refined sugar and grains? The males if they survive child birth probably stand a pretty good chance given they live on isolated islands and disease can only be carried in by birds or maybe a mosquito drifting on the winds. Their immune system is probably well suited to the bacteria in and around them. The woman probably have it tough with giving birth and all. The tribes might have customs which involve homicide given they live on a island with limited space and resources.

30-05-2008, 11:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 05:10 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,500	The Worlds last few 'Lost Tribes' What should we do with them? "Eliminate the Infidels". Osama bin Laden "Bring them Freedom and Democracy". George W Bush Ensure "total autonomy" for the isolated tribes- The Funai Foundation, Brazil. "Chop down their hardwood trees, and put them to work on cow ranches"- Mcdonalds & Loggers "Sell them Guns, so they can thrive"- the Arms trade "Open a Brothel" - DD "Have they got any Ladyboys?" - BF It is amazing to think, in this day and age, that there are tribes out there that have never been in touch with Western, errm, Civilization. There are more than 100 uncontacted tribes worldwide, most of them in Brazil and Peru, according to Funai, a government funded Brazilian foundation. Theres said to be a few in parts of the Phillipines too, and quite likely in deepest, darkest Borneo. Possibly in New Guinea and Micronesia as well. Heres one that was recently spotted in Amazonia for the first time- Members of an unknown Amazon Basin tribe and their dwellings are seen during a flight over the Brazilian state of Acre along the border with Peru. They responded by firing arrows at the whirlybird. What an amazing thing it must be, to see such a flying contraption as a helicopter for the first time. Or a paleface. They must have heard them in the distance before though, and perhaps the chainsaws of illegal Loggers too. Such horrific sounds, when all you know is the sound of the forest. From the Sydney Morning Herald:- Uncontacted Indian tribe sighted in the Amazon One of Brazil's last uncontacted Indian tribes has been spotted in the far western Amazon jungle near the Peruvian border, the National Indian Foundation said yesterday. The Indians were sighted in an Ethno-Environmental Protected Area along the Envira River in flights over remote Acre state, said the government foundation, known as Funai. Funai said it photographed "strong and healthy" warriors, six huts and a large planted area. But it was not known to which tribe they belonged, Funai said. "Four distinct isolated peoples exist in this region, whom we have accompanied for 20 years," Funai expert Jose Carlos Meirelles Junior said in a statement on Thursday. Funai does not make contact with the Indians and prevents invasions of their land, to ensure "total autonomy" for the isolated tribes, the foundation said. Survival International said the Indians are in danger from illegal logging in Peru, which is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated 500 uncontacted Indians now living on the Brazilian side. There are more than 100 uncontacted tribes worldwide, most of them in Brazil and Peru, the group said in a statement. "These pictures are further evidence that uncontacted tribes really do exist," Survival director Stephen Corry said. "The world needs to wake up to this and ensure that their territory is protected in accordance with international law. Otherwise, they will soon be made extinct." Tribe found in the Amazon - World - smh.com.au __________________ To err is human. To blame someone else is politics.

31-05-2008, 09:25 AM	#20 (permalink)
attaboy Elite Member Last Online: 01-11-2009 06:53 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,908	I wonder what their average lifespan is since they don't consume refined sugar and grains? The males if they survive child birth probably stand a pretty good chance given they live on isolated islands and disease can only be carried in by birds or maybe a mosquito drifting on the winds. Their immune system is probably well suited to the bacteria in and around them. The woman probably have it tough with giving birth and all. The tribes might have customs which involve homicide given they live on a island with limited space and resources. __________________ As a kid I always thought my nickname was "attaboy" until I realized they were rooting for the dog: "Attaboy, get 'em! Get 'em!". Last edited by attaboy : 31-05-2008 at 09:35 AM.

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30-05-2008, 11:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Looper Thailand Expat Last Online: Today 10:16 AM Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,706	I like the last photo where they are trying to bring down the helicopter with bows and arrows I wonder why one of them is miles darker than the others. BBC NEWS \| In Pictures \| In pictures: Brazil tribe

30-05-2008, 12:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
buad hai Gone Fishing Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ratsima Posts: 3,733	Looks to me like they've died their skin different colors. Some look very red and then there's the one very dark one. How silly that anyone would want to change the color of their skin.

30-05-2008, 12:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 05:10 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,500	I have visited a couple of 'lost tribes' who's first contact with Western civilization has been during my lifetime, i.e. since 1960. I wish I could say it is an uplifting experience, but it was quite the opposite. THE MANGYAN, Mindoro, Phillipines I've visited Mangyan villages a few times, since 1985. The Filipinos- fisherfolk, weavers and small scale farmers- basically live around the coast in Mindoro- the Interior is dense jungle, and Mangyan country. It was basically assumed back then that there were several Mangyan tribes that would have had absolutely no contact with the West, or even the Filipino's. Those that lived close to the Filipino's had obviously had contact though, and there were and are several Mangyan villages scattered in the hinterland, behind where the Filipino's inhabited. They were considered sub human by the townspeople, prolly still are, and were the butt of much humour. I was curious to see them, and theres a couple of villages within an hour of Puerto Galera- a tourist destination. Not much nice to report. They lived in absolute filth and squalor. The kids were filthy, barefoot, naked from the waist down. So were many of the women, although the blokes thankfully kept their knobs covered. Such things as a spoon, a lighter or a metal blade were luxuries to these people- oh, and they loved cigarettes. Local townfolk, being aware of this fact, would head up to a Mangyan village, usually pissed with a few mates, and bring a couple of lighters, cigs or grubby old spoons which they would give out. In return for Blow Jobs. Yes, I was offered one. The only reason I came back was to bring them a few things like old T shirts, Spoons, lighters- that sort of thing. This was both uplifting, and pathetic. The gratitude on their faces was indeed uplifting- the rather obvious gestures offering oral sex & whatever else in return, saddening. My Filipina business partner, who accompanied me, found it all quite bemusing- in fact she got them to bring out some of their younger, prettier ones, to see if I could be tempted into a BJ. My then girlfriend (a Beauty) refused to come- associating with Mangyans was looked down upon. They basically existed outside the system. I could be wrong, but I don't think you ever saw Mangyans outside of their villages and the jungle. They didn't go to the town markets to sell produce, or anything like that. For a Mangyan woman to be seen in a town, or on a road, was an open invitation to rape or worse anyway- the law didn't apply to them, no more than it applies to a monkey. I hope their lot has improved. In short, I do not think that contact with modern civilisation has been anything but bad for these people. They were better off as they were, and the ones that live in the remote jungles are better off than the ones that inhabit the squalid hinterland villages. The same applies to the Bushmen, Hottentots, many New Guinea and Amazonian tribes, even the Australian Aborigines. I like the sound of this Funai Foundation, although their's is probably a hopeless cause in the long run. I'll try to find out more about them.

30-05-2008, 01:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
EmperorTud សុខសប្បាយ Last Online: 07-07-2009 11:33 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: 75 clicks above the Do Lung bridge Posts: 6,362	Why not do as Thailand does with it's tribes? Keep them in zoo-like captivity, deprive them of human rights and get rich off the profits from tourist visits?

30-05-2008, 01:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 05:10 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,500	Well, heres Wiki with a brief article on the Mangyan. Mangyan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It says that some that live in proximity to the Filipinos do sell some produce. These Mangyan are waiting for a bus! No women though. They even have their own 'Cultural Centre' now. Just maybe, things are getting better for them. It's located in Calapan, a market town not far from touristy Puerto galera. Mangyan Heritage Center

30-05-2008, 01:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
astasinim Small Member Last Online: Today 04:52 PM Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2,030	There been a couple of programmes running recently on the Discovery channel, about the lost tribes of western Papua. http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/worldslosttribes/

30-05-2008, 01:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mr Pot Livin' the dream Last Online: 28-09-2009 08:19 AM Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Knee deep in it Posts: 3,775	Stone Age tribe kills fishermen who strayed on to island By Peter Foster in New Delhi Last Updated: 1:15AM GMT 08/02/2006 One of the world's last Stone Age tribes has murdered two fishermen whose boat drifted on to a desert island in the Indian Ocean. The Sentinelese, thought to number between 50 and 200, have rebuffed all contact with the modern world, firing a shower of arrows at anyone who comes within range. Sentinelese tribesmen prepare to fire arrows at the coastguard helicopter after the fishermen's murder They are believed to be the last pre-Neolithic tribe in the world to remain isolated and appear to have survived the 2004 Asian tsunami. The two men killed, Sunder Raj, 48, and Pandit Tiwari, 52, were fishing illegally for mud crabs off North Sentinel Island, a speck of land in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands archipelago. Article continues advertisement low fishermen said they dropped anchor for the night on Jan 25 but fell into a deep sleep, probably helped by large amounts of alcohol. During the night their anchor, a rock tied to a rope, failed to hold their open-topped boat against the currents and they drifted towards the island. Tribesmen clamber over the fishermen's beached boat "As day broke, fellow fishermen say they tried to shout at the men and warn them they were in danger," said Samir Acharya, the head of the Society for Andaman and Nicobar Ecology, an environmental organisation. "However they did not respond - they were probably drunk - and the boat drifted into the shallows where they were attacked and killed." After the fishermen's families raised the alarm, the Indian coastguard tried to recover the bodies using a helicopter but was met by the customary hail of arrows. Photographs shot from the helicopter show the near-naked tribesmen rushing to fire. But the downdraught from its rotors exposed the two fisherman buried in shallow graves and not roasted and eaten, as local rumour suggested. Sentinel Island locator graphic Mr Acharya said the erroneous belief in the tribe's cannibalism grew from the practice of another tribe, the Onge, who would cut up and burn their dead to avoid them returning as evil spirits. "People saw the flesh cooking on the fire and thought they must be cannibals but this incident clearly contradicts that belief," he said. Attempts to recover the bodies of the two men have been suspended, although the Andaman Islands police chief, Dharmendra Kumar, said an operation might be mounted later. "Right now, there will be casualties on both sides," he said from Port Blair. "The tribesmen are out in large numbers. We shall let things cool down and once these tribals move to the island's other end we will sneak in and bring back the bodies." Environmental groups urged the authorities to leave the bodies and respect the three-mile exclusion zone thrown around the island. In the 1980s and early 1990s many Sentinelese were killed in skirmishes with armed salvage operators who visited the island after a shipwreck. Since then the tribesmen have remained virtually undisturbed. DNA analysis of another tribe, the Jarawa, whose members made first contact with the outside world in 1997, suggest that the tribesmen migrated from Africa around 60,000 years ago. However, the experience of the Jarawa since their emergence - sexual exploitation, alcoholism and a measles epidemic - has encouraged efforts to protect the Sentinelese from a similar fate. I've always been interested by this group and this story

30-05-2008, 01:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 09-09-2009 07:24 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,185	If they weren't so lazy, they could work for the logging companies to earn some money to buy guns to defend their autonomous democracy and eliminate the infidels who threaten them.

30-05-2008, 01:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 05:10 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,500	Papua New Guinea is a fascinating coutry, albeit expensive and often dangerous. They have over 750 languages there- more than any other country. I've been to some 'lost tribe' villages there too.

30-05-2008, 03:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Panda Thailand Forum Last Online: Today 06:45 PM Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,922	Certainly an ethical dilemma that has been debated over by some very knowledgeable people. Do we leave them in isolation to carry on their lives without the option to integrate into mainstream world society. Leave them in their little sanctuaries like wild animals confined in a National Park? The arguments are compelling on both sides. They live a primitive life style. Life expectancy is relatively short due to lack of access to even basic health care like antibiotics. Yet over and over again experience has shown that once these lost tribes start to become exposed to the outside world their numbers are decimated by diseases against which they have no immunity and ultimately they end up living in misery as second class citizens on the fringes of the very society that "rescued "them.

31-05-2008, 08:02 AM	#16 (permalink)
Rattanaburi Thailand Expat Last Online: Today 09:40 AM Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,957	Well, it's certainly an interesting story. I hope I don't here that a bunch of environmentalists planned this. But if they did, I'm glad they did. The rightwing christian yahoos just have got to spread the word of the LORD to them. Don't agree with this:"Bring them Freedom and Democracy". George W Bush He's a murderer but that's for another thread. What should we do? We have things which could bring them better health and a more comfortable life but at the same time we could infect them with diseases they don't have immunity too. By leaving them, we are in a way keeping them in a sort of zoo. How many people actually want to go back to living off the land as their old tribes did? But bringing the modern world to them is just a lie. As I said we have all sorts of things which could improve health etc but the truth is that stuff won't be available to them as it isn't availabel to half of the world right now. People all over the world are dying from all sorts of diseases even though medicine exists to cure those diseases. Capitalism doesn't always take care of the masses. I think we should just let them live there and stop the logging and intrusions into the Brazilian forest. If we want a better world we should have less people on it. Less is more. Reducing the world's population over time would be the best thing for all peoples. It might just be that these people think they can save us. Stop laughing. I bet a few of the casualties of our 'wonderful' world would like to have been saved.

31-05-2008, 08:11 AM	#17 (permalink)
Gerbil Sesquipedalis Member Last Online: Today 06:47 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Scrotum deep in a SLAGDOG. Posts: 5,467	Cool. Aerial photos of CMN's village in Wales.

31-05-2008, 08:48 AM	#18 (permalink)
obsidian I am in Jail Last Online: 21-01-2009 09:15 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,365	very nice thread, sabang. i had seen and saved the article you posted, pot. way cool. very interesting and somehow life affirming stuff. seems we are the real "lost" tribes. would love to see more. thanks.

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