Thread: United States sending aircraft carrier and bombers to Middle East to deter Iran

Pompeo added that the intelligence committee “has lots of data, lots of evidence,” that back up his claim.

“The world will come to see much of it, but the American people should rest assured we have high confidence with respect to who conducted these attacks, as well as half a dozen other attacks throughout the world over the past 40 days,” he said.

Originally Posted by raycarey

it's like 2003 all over again....

lying, lying, and lying from the US government

what else is new?

and you think those guys were saying the truth on 911? what about the 911 Pentagon videos? oh wait, can't see it, too sensitive

Originally Posted by Neverna

Pompeo added that the intelligence committee “has lots of data, lots of evidence,” that back up his claim.

And the evidence is well hidden, awaiting on an Assange or similar to let us know...

Originally Posted by Norton

Remember this err... incident?

Yes I remember. I also remember that Johnson's policies on Vietnam were very different from JFKs.

The incident timed just before a vote by a faraway government proposing to ban military sales to SA was held.

Unsurprisingly the elected officials voted down the law to fail.

After being "impressed" with the fake news headlines .

Originally Posted by Norton

Yep just different music and dance steps. Remember this err... incident?

USS Maddox



Followed by this legislative jewel.

The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which gave Johnson authorization, without a formal declaration of war by Congress, for the use of conventional military force in Southeast Asia.

Remember the 'Maine' errr ... I mean the 'Pueblo', ummm .... that is to say the 'Maddox'.
Just a minute. What I really mean is those plucky little tankers out east somewhere.

How to hold on the treaty that was already withhold by others?

Iran can’t be the only one to implement nuclear deal while others sit idle – Rouhani

Tehran will continue to renege on some commitments under the 2015 nuclear deal because it can’t become the only party to the milestone accord, the Iranian president has said.

Iran keeps sticking with the nuclear deal, even though the US pulled out of it and imposed “unlawful sanctions backed by other parties,” Hassan Rouhani said at the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia (CICA) in Tajikistan.

However, the Islamic Republic cannot become the only country still remaining in the deal, he warned. If other world powers sit idle and do nothing to save the nuclear accord, Iran will keep scaling back its commitments.

Last year, Washington sided with Israel in calling the agreement “the worst deal ever,” and refused to honor its part of the bargain. The US has since re-imposed sweeping sanctions that had been lifted from Iran under the terms of the deal, and is currently seeking to cripple Tehran’s oil exports.

In May of this year, on the anniversary of the US withdrawal from the deal, Rouhani announced that Tehran will be gradually stop implementing the accord, giving other parties 60 days to negotiate a reversal of US actions. At the time, he also accused European signatories of failing to oppose Washington’s attempts to isolate Iran.

The nuclear deal, officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was negotiated by six world powers and offered Iran reprieve from international and unilateral sanctions in exchange for voluntarily restricting its nuclear program. The document was signed by Iran, China, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, the US and the EU.

https://www.rt.com/news/461936-iran-...-nuclear-deal/

If in truth the Iranians have stuck to the deal then it is incumbent on the other signatories to assist Iran around the sanctions, otherwise it is pointless to have a multilateral treaty that includes the U.S.

Sorry Gents, I haven't been back to my OP for a while.

So, straight to the bombing/mining/missile etc attack on the two oil tankers have we definitely agreed who undertook/financed/orchestrated the strike?

Originally Posted by SKkin

Yes I remember. I also remember that Johnson's policies on Vietnam were very different from JFKs.

keep your tinfoil hat nonsense on the dedicated tinfoil hat nonsense threads.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Sorry Gents, I haven't been back to my OP for a while.

So, straight to the bombing/mining/missile etc attack on the two oil tankers have we definitely agreed who undertook/financed/orchestrated the strike?

It's obviously an insurance job for a dodgy claim.
Can't be any geopolitical mischief surely. After all, who would benefit ??? Not the oil companies or armaments manufacturers.

I see Ray has a new pair of support hose.

Highly Likely?

Iran hints US could be behind 'suspicious' tanker attacks

Iran's parliament speaker hinted Sunday that Washington could be behind the "suspicious" tanker attacks in the Gulf of Oman to pile pressure on Tehran, official news agency IRNA reported.

"The suspicious actions against the tankers... seem to complement the economic sanctions against Iran considering that (the US) has not achieved any results from them," Ali Larijani told MPs.

He backed his claim by saying there had been a precedent "during World War II, when Americans targeted their own ships near Japan to create an excuse for hostility".

A non-belligerent state at the beginning of World War II, the US went to war after Japan's surprise attack on the American Pearl Harbor base in Hawaii on the morning of December 7, 1941.

A Japanese-owned tanker, the Kokuka Courageous, and a Norwegian-operated one, the Front Altair, were attacked on Thursday and left ablaze as they were passing through the Gulf of Oman

Washington accused Tehran of being behind the attacks, that took place at the same time that Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was in Tehran for talks aimed at defusing tensions between Iran and the United States.

Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif dismissed the US claim as "baseless" and said Washington had "immediately jumped to make allegations against Iran -- (without) a shred of factual or circumstantial evidence".

Iran has been locked in a bitter standoff with the United States since Trump withdrew from a landmark 2015 nuclear deal in May last year.

Washington has since reimposed crippling unilateral sanctions on Tehran -- targeting crucial parts of Iran's economy, especially the banking and oil sectors -- and launched a military buildup in the Gulf.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190616...tanker-attacks

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Highly Likely?

Iran hints US could be behind 'suspicious' tanker attacks

He backed his claim by saying there had been a precedent "during World War II, when Americans targeted their own ships near Japan to create an excuse for hostility".

A non-belligerent state at the beginning of World War II, the US went to war after Japan's surprise attack on the American Pearl Harbor base in Hawaii on the morning of December 7, 1941.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190616...tanker-attacks

If the quote is accurate then how easy is mischief ?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Tehran will continue to renege on some commitments under

All of the relaxations, so far, have been in accordance with clauses in the JCPOA as as agreed by all signatories. None have been broken/reneged upon, so far, by Iran

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

multilateral treaty that includes the U.S

As many are realising a signed treaty is only kept if it suits a particular country. Which appears to be easily trashed at the countries leaders whim.

“Unprovoked attacks on commercial shipping warrant a retaliatory military strike against the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

US Senator Tom Cotton

https://www.newsweek.com/tom-cotton-...r-hawk-1444236

Originally Posted by raycarey

“Unprovoked attacks on commercial shipping warrant a retaliatory military strike against the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

No matter if Iran did it or not!

I can't see any motive for Iran to carry out such attacks. It is quite possible the limpet mine was one of theirs, although no planted by them, which is why they haven't published pictures of it.

The US lost a lot of credibility with the WMD farce so they are going to need to provide far more positive proof than they have so far.

It looks like a set up to me....

Similar twisting of facts and lies I have watched yesterday about on Al-Jazeera documentary (by a Japanese professor) re germ-warfare by US army in Korean war - everything denied as a communist propaganda.

Paradoxically, the bio-bombs knowhow was obtained from Japanese unit using that against Chinese before WWII, captured incl. their commander and inventor, transferred to US for further developing (similar story as with Wernher von Braun for the ballistic missiles)...

In Harbin, China, Mori located survivors of the wartime Japanese army's Unit 731 responsible for germ-warfare attacks on China. After the war, the man behind this research co-operated with US Army scientists in return for not being prosecuted for war crimes.

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Dirty Little Secrets
Rewind returns to 2010 when People and Power investigated allegations America used bio-weapons during the Korean War.

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...055954051.html

Originally Posted by Troy

I can't see any motive for Iran to carry out such attacks.

Iran said they would.
Is it not possible they are keeping their word? Or is everything they say a lie?

Originally Posted by Troy

I can't see any motive for Iran to carry out such attacks. It is quite possible the limpet mine was one of theirs, although no planted by them, which is why they haven't published pictures of it.

The US lost a lot of credibility with the WMD farce so they are going to need to provide far more positive proof than they have so far.

It looks like a set up to me....

Motive ? Well they did say that they will disrupt the flow of oil, didn't they ?

Not planted by them ? Well, what was that boat doing there with a shitload of scumbags on it ? Cleaning it ? They certainly had no room for passengers.

WMD farce ? Its was a big mistake that I admit, but not a farce. It would have been a farce if they would have acted like the russians or chinese. The russians would have brought a shitload of WMD from the ole U.S.S.R. stockpile and said: "Look there it is, we told you so, we never lied, we saved the word". I think it took a lot of courage to admit that they found nothing.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has got to go! Some of these nutjobs will have to die just like those inconvincible nazis or japanese did. The persian people have got the right to live in freedom. Persia will not be like Iraq. They will rise like phoenix from the ashes.....and the House of Saud will be next

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

a big mistake

???
Is the page long enough to list all the "mistakes" made within the last 100 years?