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    Smacking children to be banned in Wales

    No doubt this will offend some of the TD troglodytes, stepping as it does on their right to physically assault the weak and dependent. I think it's a major step forward and that no civilized society should ever condone the physical abuse of children.


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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...anned-in-wales

    New law will remove Victorian defence of ‘reasonable punishment’ by parents

    Parents are to be banned from physically punishing children under legislation being introduced on Monday by the Welsh government.

    Ministers in Cardiff are hoping Wales will become the first country in the UK to stop fathers, mothers and other adults acting in a parental capacity from smacking children to punish them.

    The law would remove the defence of “reasonable punishment” that has been in force since Victorian times in England and Wales.

    The Welsh government insisted mothers and fathers would still be able to parent effectively. It said the proposed law would not stop a parent from grabbing a child about to step out into a busy road, or brushing a youngster’s hair against his or her will.

    But it argued that the time when it was acceptable to strike a child to punish misbehaviour had gone.

    Julie Morgan, the deputy minister for health and social services, said: “We are sending a clear message that the physical punishment of children is not acceptable in Wales.

    “What may have been deemed as appropriate in the past is no longer acceptable. Our children must feel safe and be treated with dignity. The legislation will be accompanied by an awareness-raising campaign and support for parents.”

    Research published last year found one in 10 parents in Wales said they had recently smacked a child to manage their behaviour. In 2015 it was one in five. According to the study, 81% disagreed with the statement “It is sometimes necessary to smack a naughty child.”

    The bill is also significant because if enacted it will be seen as the first major divergence between Welsh and English law since Wales was given more lawmaking powers two years ago.

    A private member’s bill to ban the physical punishment of children has been introduced in Scotland and it is not clear whether it or Wales will be the first to bring in a ban.

    About 50 countries have already brought in a ban and another 50 are considering doing so, but there are no plans in England for a such a law.

    Morgan added: “I don’t see any signs of the UK government doing this.” She has campaigned against smacking for 20 years as an assembly member and before that as MP for Cardiff North. “I think that they [the UK government] felt nervous about it, they felt the time was not right; it feels in Wales the time is right. I’m sure England will follow.”

    The Children Wales bill was being introduced on Monday and is expected to receive cross-party support.

    If passed, adults acting in a parental capacity will not be able to use the common law defence of reasonable punishment if accused of assault or battery against a child. The Welsh government said it would be up to citizens to decide if they should report a parent they saw smacking a child and down to the police and Crown Prosecution Service to judge whether to prosecute. But it said the proposed law was all about changing attitudes.

    Physical punishment is already against the law in schools and other education settings. Removing the defence is seen as the last step in making the physical punishment of children illegal in all settings.

    Welcoming the announcement, Sally Holland, children’s commissioner for Wales, said: “There’s nothing reasonable about physically punishing a child. This bill sends a clear signal that Wales is a country which protects children; a country which will afford children equal protection from physical punishment as adults; a country which promotes children’s rights.”

    Viv Laing, head of policy at NSPCC Cymru, said: “It’s wrong that children in Wales have less protection from assault and that a legal defence which does not exist when an adult is hit can be used to justify striking a child.”

    The defence of reasonable punishment has been in place in England and Wales since the notorious trial of the teacher Thomas Hopley in 1860, who beat a pupil to death. He was convicted of manslaughter but the judge said “moderate” corporal punishment was allowed to correct “what is evil in the child”.
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    Was banned several years back in NZ. I recall there was a bit of an outcry over it at the time but has just settled into regular policy by this point.

    I also misread the thread title as being about 'selling smack to children being banned'. And I'm all for that too if it hasn't been already.

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    I once wanted to "smack" Dr. Bob. But that was years ago. Some kids need a good smacking and years later will thank their mamas and papas.

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    I once wanted to "smack" Ant too but was told it would rain and rain hard if i did. I learned to just let it be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Was banned several years back in NZ. I recall there was a bit of an outcry over it at the time but has jut settled into regular policy by this point.

    I also misread the thread title as being about 'selling smack to children being banned'. And I'm all for that too if it hasn't been already.
    In theory it's already illegal in the UK but there is a defence of "reasonable punishment". Obviously that's ridiculously vague, my own opinion is that it is never reasonable to assault a child. I give it about an hour before our local trogs crawl out of their holes to make their patently false claims that being beaten senseless as children did them no harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishlocker View Post
    I once wanted to "smack" Dr. Bob. But that was years ago. Some kids need a good smacking and years later will thank their mamas and papas.
    Well done. Four hours without drinking. Baby steps but still steps. Do you ever go back to look at what you posted drunk? Do you remember last night? What's it like to humiliate yourself daily but still have no shame?

    <Edit> my mistake, looking on other threads you've posted on in the last hour I see you're already drunk. There's no mistaking your characteristic quotidian drunken humourless gibberish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    I give it about an hour before our local trogs crawl out of their holes to make their patently false claims that being beaten senseless as children did them no harm.
    I think you're wrong.

    Probably be less than that.

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    Yea Bob I do remember, yes I do. About five years ago I was having a Bob moment. I was on the shitter in a place I was remodeling. As I recall it was about how your crapping with the frequency of a ham radio enables a solo artist to test ones circuits. Alive or dead ect. You recall?





    You still tripping Bob? They have devises for that now. Stroller?


    Yes as I recall we had a few word games then and with more than your drying member.

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    Ummm. What?

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    ^^Was a smack in the head responsible for whatever the fuck is wrong with you now and causes you to spam threads with your nonsensical dribble.

    That's rhetorical not an invite to spam more of your dribble... though you'll obviously take it as such.

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    Ant in his make believe Ant land and Boob. Five years ago and you both hold on. Yes we had some words, Ill leave bit coin out of it. That hurt is enough on his own.

    Ant show us around your neighborhood again. Looked kinda classy as I recall.

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    I still want to "smack" Bob. His Avatar is freeking creepy.

    So back on point, where do you think you would be without the upbringing you had?



    Hell, I might be sober. Poor, but sober.

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    Nothing wrong with slapping a kid on the arse imho. I don't meam belting them, just giving them a short sharp shock, especially when they are trying things like sticking their fingers in plugholes which would give them an either bigger shock.

    I got belted, caned, rulered and slippered as a kid and it never did me any harm :twitch:

    Fucking Nanny state, you can't even smoke in the car with em anymore, poor little fuckers are sat outside on the kerb freezing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    I give it about an hour before our local trogs crawl out of their holes to make their patently false claims that being beaten senseless as children did them no harm
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I think you're wrong.

    Probably be less than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    I got belted, caned, rulered and slippered as a kid and it never did me any harm :
    45 minutes. Cheers, Dill (like to point out I don't consider you a trog, mind)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    I give it about an hour before our local trogs crawl out of their holes
    wot me , gov ?

    when mine will not do as they are told , I just stop feeding them

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    Incredibly good photography by these "Troggs"


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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    wot me , gov ?

    when mine will not do as they are told , I just stop feeding them
    Good move, the only marks that leaves are psychological. Let social services try proving that one in court!!

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    ^ if they can find the skinny fcukers that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    like to point out I don't consider you a trog, mind
    All my kids have turmed out well mannered. I couldn't really give two fucks what some guy who goes camping with other peoples kids thinks tbh.

    Dib dib

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    Yep. Hopefully the inside of everyone's house will have cctv to monitor if the kids are being smacked or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    wot me , gov ?

    when mine will not do as they are told , I just stop feeding them
    Put the charger at top of the cupboard, then watch the fear in their eyes as the ipad/phone winds down. Believe me they learn fast!

    Good job it's Thailand, in UK would expect to be arrested and kids moved to a 'safe' environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    No doubt this will offend some of the TD troglodytes, stepping as it does on their right to physically assault the weak and dependent.
    Physically ssault?

    Assault is done with the sole intention to inflict pain and harm, like punching someone on the nose in a pub. Giving a toddler with terrible twos a little slap on the bum is done to educate and discipline.

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    I'm all for smacking children if there's a justification. Like those little eastern european pickpocket bastards being sent out by their parents.

    Problem is, then you have to smack half a dozen Bulgarians and Romanians as well.

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    Siwilai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    In theory it's already illegal in the UK but there is a defence of "reasonable punishment". Obviously that's ridiculously vague,
    Yes, it is too vague and I suspect if it could have been defined better, the outright ban may not have occurred. This ban is either PC BS, or a measure to curb the minority of violent abusers. Always have to account for the lowest common denominator.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    claims that being beaten senseless as children did them no harm.
    Obviously, beaten senseless is way over the "reasonable punishmnet" threshold.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Nothing wrong with slapping a kid on the arse imho. I don't meam belting them, just giving them a short sharp shock, especially when they are trying things like sticking their fingers in plugholes which would give them an either bigger shock.

    I got belted, caned, rulered and slippered as a kid and it never did me any harm
    Agree. A smack on the bottom never did anyone any harm, short or long term, but has helped guide obstreperous children the world over for eons.

    In the NZ case mentioned by Ant, two things have emerged: Kids have become more uncontrollable, and parents have become more stressed. Smacks are for toddlers. They don't respond to other things because they're too young to reason with.
    The good thing about the anti-smacking law in NZ is that it was designed to curbe the overly-harsh abuse and police and the public will turn a blind eye to a mother giving a short smack to a out-of-control toddler.
    I would bet that all these Welsh legislators are past the child-rearing stage of life.

    Having stated my position on the matter, I will say that I'm all for altrnative disciplinary measures, but if they don't work... you need to resort to the smack on the bottom.

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