Thread: Breaking News: Christchurch Shooting

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Just another whacked-out nutter.

Not a nutter at all. A man with convictions and a ideology. One espoused by Donald J. Trump and his followers.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

How often is the shooter(s) taken alive? Are they wanting a show triai so they can have a world stage to expouse their beliefs?

One of the dudes wrote in his manifesto that he expected to be taken alive but also had contingencies written for if he didn't.

Won't bother going into the details cos it's mostly recycled warped neo-Nazi shit you can find anywhere on the IntraGoogles, but it basically boils down to a pathetic little beta-cnut wanting attention (doesn't it always though).

he was a trump supporter and identified with trump's white nationalism.

^ And pro-BREXIT

Answering whether he supports Brexit, he wrote: "Yes, though not for an official policy made. The truth is that eventually people must face the fact that it wasn't a damn thing to do with the economy.

"That it was the British people firing back at mass immigration, cultural displacement and globalism, and that's a great and wonderful thing."

https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-37916365.html

The mass shooting in New Zealand was designed to spread on social media

The horrific shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand was designed from the start to get attention — leveraging social media to make sure as many people as possible would hear about the deaths and the hate underpinning them. Officials have reported a “significant” number of people dead from attacks at two mosques. Several people have been arrested so far. New Zealand police have told people to avoid mosques, and told mosques to “shut their doors.”


A 17-minute video that seemed to show the shooting was posted to Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and Instagram. A post on 8chan, a messageboard, included links to a manifesto and a Facebook page where the poster — an alleged shooter — said a livestream of the attack would be broadcast. Facebook has removed the page and the video, but the video had already traveled.


Both the video and the manifesto are designed to maximize attention. Early in the video, the shooter says “Remember, lads, subscribe to Pewdiepie,” a reference to popular YouTuber Felix Kjellberg, who has a history of promoting anti-Semitism. Kjellberg’s channel has the most subscribers on YouTube, at 89 million, and he has been attempting to recruit more so that he won’t be overtaken by another YouTuber, T-Series.


A reference to this contest forces Kjellberg to disavow the shootings, which is exactly what he did. “I feel absolutely sickened having my name uttered by this person,” Kjellberg said to his 17 million followers on Twitter. Kjellberg’s position is unenviable; if he hadn’t disavowed the shootings immediately, it’s possible someone would have suggested his channel was somehow an inspiration to the killer or killers. But it’s also clear that if any of his many followers had missed the shootings, they were now aware of them.


This Verge article will also make people aware of the mass murder and its message of hate. But there is no way to discuss the bizarre internet dynamics around it without also telling people it happened. I am sympathetic to Kjellberg precisely because I am in the same position.


The manifesto linked to the shooting is decidedly racist. Early on, it references “white genocide,” a Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory that white people are being replaced, and the 14 words, a white supremacist slogan. It also professes admiration for other white supremacist killers. The racism itself is sincere — it did, after all, lead to mass murder — but other parts of the manifesto seem to contain buzzwords meant to galvanize its spread.


For instance, though the author of the manifesto claims to be Australian — and one person in custody is Australian-born — the document contains multiple references to the Second Amendment of the US constitution. Mass shootings in America have led to heated debate about gun laws, with proponents of the Second Amendment arguing that gun control is unconstitutional.


The manifesto, which is 73 pages long, tends toward name-dropping. It mentions Candace Owens, an American conservative pundit, as well as the video games Fortnite and Spyro the Dragon. These references seem geared toward creating certain kinds of narratives in the media that will keep the terrorism in the news.


And the shooter or shooters want to stay in the news. The references to other white supremacist murderers are the giveaway. These high-profile killings are meant to frighten innocent people, and recruit other white supremacists; without attention, the crimes are meaningless to the people who committed them.


Mass shootings, generally, are meant to get people’s attention. Social media has weakened or destroyed many of the gatekeepers that shield the general public from exposure to this kind of violence. Before the internet, it was unusual for anyone besides the police and the media to receive these kinds of materials. Now, it’s possible for them to be passed around quickly, reaching a broad audience.


In 2015, a shooter in Bridgewater, Virginia killed his victims on live television, and uploaded the video to Twitter and Facebook. In order to attract your attention, both platforms default to autoplaying videos — a default that caters to advertisers. After that shooting, nothing changed at either platform, and so users were exposed to atrocities again in the murders live-streamed from Christchurch. The original livestream would have been hard to prevent — but the reuploads, which autoplayed, disseminated the horror to a much larger audience.


The quick spread of both the video and the manifesto tells us also how inadequate moderation is on the internet, assuming moderation exists at all. The video has been popping up again and again on YouTube and Twitter, and people are figuring out ways to get around the companies’ filters. Mediafire and Mega host the manifesto; both are routinely used to post illicit material because they offer little to no oversight. It also appears on Scribd.


The person or people involved in the slaughter had copied the previous terrorist attacks on people of color. Mass murders may be contagious, and the more the people who perpetrate them are glamorized through media coverage, the more copycats there are likely to be. But it isn’t just mass media — TV, newspapers, and major websites — that we now have to worry about. As people become more savvy about how to seize attention through social media, the major platforms — Facebook, Twitter, and Google — will have to figure out how to stop the dissemination of these materials, as well as the praise or support of terrorist attacks like this one. Otherwise, they risk inspiring more copycat murders.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/15/1...a-manipulation

Originally Posted by Humbert

Not a nutter at all. A man with convictions and a ideology. One espoused by Donald J. Trump and his followers.

Why not blame Putin, Xi Jinping, A. Lukashenko, M. Salvini, V. Orban, B. Nentanyahu, G. Wilders, M. Le Pen, A. Khamenei, or better yet EVERY leader of a country that adheres to a state religion/idealogy .

Who are you going to blame when Trump dies tomorrow ? No my Dear, the World is a bit more complex then you think.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Why not blame Putin, Xi Jinping, A. Lukashenko, M. Salvini, V. Orban, B. Nentanyahu, G. Wilders, M. Le Pen, A. Khamenei, or better yet EVERY leader of a country that adheres to a state religion/idealogy

Because of all those that you've named only one was given as an inspiration for today's events by one of the gunmen.

Wanna guess which one...?

Non-native tosser bitches about immigration and goes on the rampage on Maori land. Events like this are why the far right need to be removed from society like the gross cancer they are. RIP to the folks who were just minding their own business and praying

FFS he is just a nutter. End of story. No forum has more amateur psychologists than TD.
After listening to TVINZID, I'm amazed noone has bothered to shoot those christchurchians before for butchering the inglush lingwuj.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

It's almost as if people hadn't read his 74 Page justification he wrote and were just making shit up, isn't it?

Or simply Googled: "Generic Right-wing Internet Rants".

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Or simply Googled: "Generic Right-wing Internet Rants".

This might sound a bit odd but his little treatise is actually a very clever bit of work. Ignoring the racist and political side it is almost 50% references to Internet memes. This guy was a regular 8chan (and other chan-ike boards) user and was well up on that side of the net. The music he played in his car all referenced current memes, as did some of the writing on his weapons. Also don't forget what he said when he left the car to begin his spree "lads, don't forget to subscribe to PewDiePie". In everything he did he was referencing current memes.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

he had the courage of his convictions.

Very strange phrase to use for someone who slaughtered unarmed people at prayer.

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

on Maori land

Was it Maori land?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Beliefs that are becoming more and more mainstream as time goes on. The only difference between him and the many people who share his beliefs about Islam and Immigrants is that he had the courage of his convictions.

This.

It's becoming normalised. It didn't magically appear out of nowhere.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

This might sound a bit odd but his little treatise is actually a very clever bit of work.

It does sound odd but I see what you're getting at.

Someone (misskit I think?) posted an article earlier that had the same point.

Those Chan boards really are fucking cesspits aren't they. They always seem to be somehow linked into this kind of thing.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

This.

It's becoming normalised. It didn't magically appear out of nowhere.

The pyramid of white supremacy? Really? I wonder how the events in rwanda would fit on that pyramid.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

The pyramid of white supremacy? Really? I wonder how the events in rwanda would fit on that pyramid.

That would be a whole other pyramid. One doesn't negate, preclude or cancel out the other and it sure wasn't no Rwandan shooting these people in this case.

But that pyramid would also start with the Dutch racially categorizing and dividing Rwandans.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

That would be a whole other pyramid. One doesn't negate, preclude or cancel out the other and it sure wasn't no Rwandan shooting these people in this case.

But that pyramid would also start with the Dutch racially categorizing and dividing Rwandans.

I think my point was that hate for others is universal, and has nothing to do with skin colour.

Call it the pyramid of hate and i would have no problems with it.

Well whoever was selling soapboxes this morning made killing, the only question remains who's is highest.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I think my point was that hate for others is universal, and has nothing to do with skin colour.

This is true, there's certainly no monopoly on it, but today's events were inspired by a very specific kind of it.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I think my point was that hate for others is universal, and has nothing to do with skin colour.

So racism based on skin colour has nothing to do with skin colour?

White people who think they are superior to non-whites has nothing to do with skin colour?

I think you need to revise, ...as it stands your comment is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

Did it not say in the manifesto that "I was a communist?" Wonder how he became a "right-wing extremist" along the way...or did communism morph into right-wingery while I wasn't looking?

And he's now an "eco-fascist."

Aren't the ecological wackos usuallyy of the left-wing bent as well?

Smells like a Gladio style provocateur...

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I think my point was that hate for others is universal, and has nothing to do with skin colour.

Call it the pyramid of hate and i would have no problems with it.

The entries in that pyramid are specific to white extremism, hence the name. The Pyramid of Tutsi/Hutu hate would have entries referencing them. I don't see the sense of a generalised pyramid of hate implying that Rwandan extremists are members of the KKK, do you? Regarding groups like the KKK, I think they might disagree with you about hate having nothing to do with skin colour. In fact I don't understand how you can possibly say that hate for others is universal, that's simply untrue and anyone who thinks that a crime where people are slaughtered for specifically racial reasons and where the murderer says explicitly that he is doing it to protect the white race is either utterly confused about the issue or is refusing to face the facts.