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    Germany to strip IS fighters of citizenship under certain criteria: report

    BERLIN (Reuters) - Chancellor Angela Merkelís conservatives and their Social Democrat (SPD) coalition partners have agreed a plan to strip some Germans who fight for the Islamic State militant group of their citizenship, a German newspaper reported on Sunday.


    More than 1,000 Germans have left their country for war zones in the Middle East since 2013 and the government has been debating how to deal with them as U.S.-backed forces are poised to take the last patch of territory from Islamic State in Syria.


    About a third have returned to Germany, another third are believed to have died, and the rest are believed to be still in Iraq and Syria, including some detained by Iraqi forces and U.S.-backed fighters in Syria.




    The Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper, citing unnamed government sources, said three criteria must be met to allow the government to denaturalize Germans who take up arms for the Islamist group.

    Such individuals must have a second citizenship, be adults and they would be stripped of their citizenship should they fight for Islamic State after the new rules go into effect.




    The compromise ends a dispute over the issue between conservative Interior Minister Horst Seehofer and SPD Justice Minister Katarina Barley.


    Spokesmen for both ministers were not available to comment on the report.


    U.S. President Donald Trump last month urged Britain, France and Germany to take back more than 800 captured Islamic State fighters and put them on trial.


    Germany said it would take back fighters only if the suspects have consular access.


    Last month Britain revoked the citizenship of a teenager who had left London when she was aged 15 to join Islamic State in Syria.


    The case of Shamima Begum highlighted the security, legal and ethical dilemmas facing European governments dealing with citizens who had sworn allegiance to a group determined to destroy the West.




    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKCN1QK0OH

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    Well, whadya all think?

    Supposed that their home countries accept their "returning" citizens, should they in fact be put on trial?, and on what charges?

    or, supposed that their "home countries" refuse to receive their own citizens back and give them due process as per their constitutional rights.

    Their citizens will be tried as war criminals in a Syrian court of law. What is "fair" for these people - realizing that no two cases are alike, circumstances are different. Do your citizens deserve due process?

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    Unless they were caught on film executing someone or there is a witness that will testify exact deeds, it will be very difficult to convict most of these returning ISIS fighters of anything more serious than actually joining ISIS and even that might be difficult.

    Most of the returnees will serve a few months or years and then will be out scot-free.

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    I believe in Holland, on joining a terrorist organisation, it carries an automatic 6 year jail sentence upon return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Do your citizens deserve due process?
    They should and be subject to their nations laws pertaining to defection.

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    Strip them and then what? Are you just going to dump your problem on another country?

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    Hot lead injection to the forehead with an AK-47 round, to keep it sentimental.

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