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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Russia is deploying nuclear-capable Tu-160 Blackjack bombers to Venezuela
    Tupolev Tu-160



    Performance


    • Range: 12,300 km (7,643 mi) practical range without in-flight refuelling, Mach 0.77 and carrying 6 × Kh-55SM dropped at mid range and 5% fuel reserves[83]

    Armament




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupole...tions_(Tu-160)

    That's a long way, circa 10,000km, to go when carrying 12 nuclear nuclear tipped missiles.



    Maybe they will stop off in Havana, Cuba, to refuel/unload any unnecessary cargo. I wonder what the freedom of navigation rules are off the Canadian/ameristani east coast/Caribbean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    China made an offer of 5 billion USD or so a few months back to help upgrade........dunno what came from that
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Even the chinkies have realised they're just throwing good money after bad.
    China is the number two country for imports and exports to Venezuela. 11% Venezuela's exports, 17% of it's imports. ameristan is number one, 24% of it's exports and 23% of it's imports.

    The OPEC+ 2% cut in oil production will help, as it has an exemption,allegedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    China is the number two country for imports and exports to Venezuela. 11% Venezuela's exports, 17% of it's imports. ameristan is number one, 24% of it's exports and 23% of it's imports.

    and now they're going to increase the oil imports cuz the Chavistas killed their crude industry

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I wonder what the freedom of navigation rules are off the Canadian/ameristani east coast/Caribbean?
    A provocation - highly likely...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    and now they're going to increase the oil imports cuz the Chavistas killed their crude industry
    A friend has offered to assist. No word as to what "oil equipment" will be delivered to ensure the security of the friends investment.

    The arrival of 4 heavily loaded bombers and transport planes was purely coincidental.

    Maduro: Russia, Venezuela Sign $5B Deals To Boost Venezuelan Oil Production

    By Tsvetana Paraskova - Dec 06, 2018, 5:00 PM CST



    TASS: World - Maduro announces signing of multi-billion dollar contracts with Russia

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...roduction.html

    https://energy-analytics-institute.o...il-production/
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    Just thing thing to do when you are $200Bn+ in debt: Borrow more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Tupolev Tu-160


    Looks a lot like Concordski. And we know how that turned out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Looks a lot like Concordski.
    Nobody makes tires like the Russians.

    There is talk of converting some to passenger planes

    Civilian version suggested


    In January 2018, Vladimir Putin, while visiting the Kazan Aviation Plant, floated an idea of creating a civilian passenger version of Tu-160.[33][34] Experts quoted by the news media were skeptical about the commercial and technological feasibility of such civilian conversion"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupole...tions_(Tu-160)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Just thing thing to do when you are $200Bn+ in debt: Borrow more money.
    What it is to $21T?
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post

    The venezuelan economy is somewhat smaller than that of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What it is to $21T?
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
    ameristani Total Debt: US$ 72,000,000,000,000 and increasing at a rate of ≈ US$ 1,000,000,000,000 per year.

    Debt interest US$ 1,000,000,000,000 per year, debt per family US$ 853,000. Median income US$ 32,000.

    Full and par-time workers 157,000,000

    Not in workforce + officially unemployed 102,000,000
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    America could wipe out most of its deficit by stopping the arms race against.... no-one.

    However, that is not for this thread.

    The point is that Venezuela is skint, using its national revenue to pay debt and having to borrow more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    The venezuelan economy is somewhat smaller than that of the US.
    0.2/21.8=0.91%

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Looks a lot like Concordski. And we know how that turned out.
    Being not an expert on aircrafts and airlines as (please no names here), did I missed something? Did a Concord crash by its failure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Being not an expert on aircrafts and airlines as (please no names here), did I missed something? Did a Concord crash by its failure?
    The russian copy crashed and was withdrawn. It was said because they copied Concorde from intentionally planted false blueprints. But I am not confident this is true.

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    this.....skip to :50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    The russian copy crashed and was withdrawn. It was said because they copied Concorde from intentionally planted false blueprints. But I am not confident this is true.
    Nah, it was just a shit attempt at copying as best they could. And it used afterburners apparently, didn't know that. Obviously they couldn't steal the engine design.

    In its short life as a passenger plane -- only 55 return flights -- the Tu-144 suffered hundreds of failures, many of them inflight, ranging from depressurization to engine failure to blaring alarms that couldn't be switched off. All sorts of stories have surfaced over the years about the plane's woes, including reports that passengers had to communicate through written notes because of the deafening noise. Perhaps more tellingly, each flight from Moscow could only depart after the aircraft had been personally inspected by the plane's designer, Alexei Tupolev himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    The russian copy crashed and was withdrawn. It was said because they copied Concorde from intentionally planted false blueprints. But I am not confident this is true.
    Tupolev Tu-144

    The Tupolev Tu-144 (Russian: Tyполев Ту-144; NATO reporting name: Charger) is a retired jet airliner and commercial supersonic transport aircraft (SST). It is the first of only two SSTs to enter commercial service, the other being the Anglo-French Concorde.

    The design was a product of the Tupolev design bureau, headed by Alexei Tupolev, of the Soviet Union and manufactured by the Voronezh Aircraft Production Association in Voronezh, Russia.[1] It conducted 55 passenger service flights, at an average service altitude of 16,000 metres (52,000 ft) and cruised at a speed of around 2,000 kilometres per hour (1,200 mph) (Mach 1.6).[2]

    The prototype first flew on 31 December 1968 near Moscow,[1] two months before the first flight of the Concorde. The Tu-144 first went supersonic on 5 June 1969[3] (Concorde first went supersonic on 1 October 1969), and on 26 May 1970 became the first commercial transport to exceed Mach 2.

    A Tu-144 crashed in 1973 at the Paris Air Show, delaying its further development. The aircraft was introduced into passenger service on 1 November 1977, almost two years after Concorde, because of budget restrictions. In May 1978, another Tu-144 (an improved version, named Tu-144D) crashed on a test flight while being delivered, and the passenger fleet was permanently grounded after only 55 scheduled flights.

    The aircraft remained in use as a cargo aircraft until 1983, by which point a total of 102 commercial flights had been completed. The Tu-144 was later used by the Soviet space program to train pilots of the Buran spacecraft, and by NASA for supersonic research.

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    Interesting (not biased) description, also the comments below the article:

    The Concorde's Soviet Older Sister That Just Couldn't Stop Crashing

    When you think of super sonic flight, you probably first think of the Concorde. But that wasn't the first super sonic transporter and it certainly wasn't the first commercial plane break the sound barrier. Those honors belong to the Tupolev TU-144, the USSR's only super sonic transport.

    The Tupolev is one of two super sonic transports (SST) ever built for commercial use—the other being the Concorde. Design began on the soviet jet in 1962 and the first prototype flew on New Year's Eve of 1968 outside Moscow, two months before Concorde got off the ground.

    While the Tupolev did closely resemble the Concorde (amid speculation that Soviet espionage was behind the resemblance) the two planes did differ in many technical aspects. The Concorde had better range, braking and engine control but the Tupolev had vastly superior aerodynamics. The Tupolev's wings also included two small retractable canard surfaces—for generating low-speed lift—that the Concorde lacked. It was also generally perceived as less stable in flight, especially at supersonic speeds, than its counterpart.

    That instability was made evident in 1973, when its very first production model crashed at the Paris Air show, killing all six crewmen and another eight people on the ground. The cause of the crash remains undetermined, with the French and Russian governments still blaming each other for the plane's failure. The Russians think a mysterious French Mirage fighter jet that appeared to be tailing the TU-144 just before it went down caused the crash. The French have accused the Soviet flight crew of trying to bank the plane too hard.

    The TU-144 also proved incredibly unreliable in commercial flight. In just 180 hours of flight time, the first 16 TU-144's suffered more than 226 failures, nearly a third of them in the air. The failures, which spanned from cabin noise to cabin depressurization got so bad that Alexei Tupolev, chief designer of the plane, and two USSR aviation vice-ministers had to personally inspect every TU-144 and issue a joint decision before every flight to determine if the plane was safe to fly that day. Due to these failures and the plane's overall economic infeasibility, production of the TU-144 was cancelled in 1983.

    https://gizmodo.com/5893817/the-conc...-stop-crashing


    Here's a good side by side comparison that shows how very different they were. The angle of the wings, fuselage shape, suggest it is not simply a rip off of an early concorde design as some seem to insist.

    (Concord on top, TU bottom)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Perhaps that's because you're a fucking idiot.

    Have you ever heard of Chile?
    You obviously have forgotten how the CIA covertly influenced the Chilean military to overthrew a democratically elected government, and install a military dictator, who then proceeded to kill 1000's of Chilean citizens.

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    Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers land in Venezuela after 10,000km transatlantic flight (VIDEO)

    Venezuela has welcomed the arrival of Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers as an opportunity to demonstrate its resolve to defend the nation against possible foreign military intervention, with the help of “friends” if need be.

    Two Tu-160 strategic bombers made a gracious landing at Simón Bolívar International Airport on Monday where they were greeted by the honor guard of the Venezuelan air force. Wearing orange pilot suits and combat helmets, Russian servicemen descended onto the runway where they were eager to present their colleagues with a scaled model of the 'White Swan' bomber, which they had just flown over 10,000 kilometers to reach the Caribbean shores in order to take part in “combined operational flights” with the Venezuelan Air Force.

    And Venezuela "will do it with our friends who advocate respect-based relations between states,” Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino Lopez said after the two bombers, together with An-124 transport and an Il-62 plane, landed in Venezuela.

    While the Russian delegation painted their arrival to be a rare friendly visit, the Venezuelan Defence Ministry noted that 'Russia-Venezuela 2018' operational flights will represent a “demonstration of strength.” The training, Caracas maintains, will foster military-technical cooperation and facilitate the exchange of practical experience between the two militaries.

    The Tu-160, nicknamed the ‘White Swan’ in Russia and designated as ‘Blackjack’ by NATO, is the largest supersonic combat aircraft in the world. The long-range aircraft, capable of carrying nuclear and conventional missiles, can cover a distance of more than 12,000 kilometers without refueling. The Russian Air Force conducted similar non-stop flights to Venezuela in 2008 and 2013.

    The flight to Venezuela over the Atlantic Ocean, the Barents, Norwegian and Caribbean Seas did not go unnoticed, as Norwegian F-16 fighter jets shadowed the Russian planes during part of their flight, even though according to the Russian Defense Ministry the flight was conducted “in strict accordance with the international regulations on the use of airspace.” The bombers’ deployment to the Latin American nation follows Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s visit to Moscow last week.

    https://www.rt.com/news/446125-tu-16...enezuela-land/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listerman View Post
    You obviously have forgotten how the CIA covertly influenced the Chilean military to overthrew a democratically elected government, and install a military dictator, who then proceeded to kill 1000's of Chilean citizens.

    No, and I haven't forgotten who put Castro in power, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No, and I haven't forgotten who put Castro in power, either.
    Who might that have been pray tell?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Who might that have been pray tell?

    Here's your chance to educate yourself.

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    ^I just wanted to hear your version.

    I figured it would go something like this...



    instead of...

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