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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's got fuck all to do with it. Cyber attacks predate stuxnet by many years.
    well name one of a similar level of sophistication ? do you even understand what stuxnet did and how it did it ? when was the last time you configured a PCS ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    well name one of a similar level of sophistication ? do you even understand what stuxnet did and how it did it ? when was the last time you configured a PCS ?
    I didn't mention "sophistication", I said it wasn't the first, and it wasn't even the first by the US (and/or Israel). And yes, I understand Stuxnet

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-pipeline.html

    https://www.risidata.com/Database/De...ian-gas-system

    If Obama was worried about starting a "cyber war" he was 28 years late.

    What's made this normal for nation states is that they've all learned how to do it to varying degrees, and a lot of the TTPs they are using come from the CIA/NSA (and I mean before the leak).

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What they can't do is ignore diplomatic immunity and arrest someone anyway. Well they can, it just makes them look like dumb fuckers and exposes their own diplomats to the same treatment.

    Which was the whole point of the fucking treaty in the first place.

    Having said that, such is the desperation of the Chinkies to free their spy, they are now making up rules as they go along.
    Try reading the link to the convention,you may learn something, or not. try reading the Chinese accusation......

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    Having said that, such is the desperation of the Chinkies to free their spy, they are now making up rules as they go along.
    Excuse me but which spy do you refer to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Excuse me but which spy do you refer to?
    Oh sorry, "economic criminal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I didn't mention "sophistication"
    I did because cyber warfare involves more than the piddling exploits in your stories

    nation states using the vast resources at their disposal to infiltrate and have the ability to control others networks and infrastructure

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    I did because cyber warfare involves more than the piddling exploits in your stories

    nation states using the vast resources at their disposal to infiltrate and have the ability to control others networks and infrastructure
    No shit, sherlock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No shit, sherlock.

    Out of interest, what do you think Stuxnet did?

    Mr Reed writes that the software "was programmed to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to pipeline joints and welds".
    hackers were able to get past the company’s security and break into the system controlling gas flows in pipelines

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    stuxnet reconfigured the local PCS7 nodes to run the centrifuges at higher speeds , but communicate back to the control system that they were running at normal speeds - in an airgapped system

    vastly harder to achieve than logging into a computer via a rogue modem installed by someone on the inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    stuxnet reconfigured the local PCS7 nodes to run the centrifuges at higher speeds , but communicate back to the control system that they were running at normal speeds - in an airgapped system

    vastly harder to achieve than logging into a computer via a rogue modem installed by someone on the inside
    Obviously not airgapped that well eh?

    From my reading, they didn't just run them at high speeds - if the idea had been to blow a big chunk of centrifuges up in one go, they could have done just that.

    But the attack went on for months in a manner that made it extremely hard for the Iranians to work out what was going on, because they would speed them up and slow them down again.

    And because they had the controllers memory, any SCADA system would only see the rotation speeds at the start of the process, rather than "live", so they never knew what was going on.

    All quite cunning, I grant you.

    The biggest problem, of course, is that they basically gave all this shit to the enemy, and it's come back in the form of the likes of CrashOverride and Triton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    stuxnet reconfigured the local PCS7 nodes to run the centrifuges at higher speeds , but communicate back to the control system that they were running at normal speeds - in an airgapped system

    vastly harder to achieve than logging into a computer via a rogue modem installed by someone on the inside
    Although many believe it was actually installed from a USB drive by "someone on the inside"... although whether or not deliberately is, of course, a different story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Although many believe it was actually installed from a USB drive by "someone on the inside"... although whether or not deliberately is, of course, a different story.

    I have the story how it was infiltrated, and "USB" drive and "someone inside" didn't even come close to how it was done. Much more sophisticated, even though luck did play a major role. It had a 20% chance to succeed.

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    I see Buttplug has posted, is he sharing his expansive knowledge of configuring modems with Regedit again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Although many believe it was actually installed from a USB drive by "someone on the inside"... although whether or not deliberately is, of course, a different story.
    the PCS7 nodes have their "program" updated via USB - they targeted the laptops of the technicians with a zero day malicious signed driver from a taiwanese manuf - maybe Via
    the attack on the laptops holding the "programs" was assisted by someone with very detailed knowledge on how the PCS7 system worked

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I have the story how it was infiltrated,
    tell us again uncle fluffer , how you caught the stuxnet virus

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    the PCS7 nodes have their "program" updated via USB - they targeted the laptops of the technicians with a zero day malicious signed driver from a taiwanese manuf - maybe Via
    the attack on the laptops holding the "programs" was assisted by someone with very detailed knowledge on how the PCS7 system worked



    tell us again uncle fluffer , how you caught the stuxnet virus
    Well there were two attacks, I think the second one involved the driver.

    Most of the material I've read about the first attack indicates that they targeted up to five suppliers or partners that they knew were likely to carry stuff over to the nuclear plant.

    The first four phases of the kill chain weren't actually that sophisticated, especially if an intelligence agency was involved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Try reading the link to the convention,you may learn something, or not. try reading the Chinese accusation......
    Try looking at Article 39(2) you sickening chinky sycophant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Try looking at Article 39(2) you sickening chinky sycophant.
    This is the one I presume:

    Article 39

    "2. When the functions of a person enjoying privileges and immunities have

    come to an end, such privileges and immunities shall normally cease at the
    moment when he leaves the country, or on expiry of a reasonable period in
    which to do so, but shall subsist until that time, even in case of armed con-
    flict. However, with respect to acts performed by such a person in the ex-
    ercise of his functions as a member of the mission, immunity shall continue

    to subsist."

    Once he left the country his immunities stopped. When he returned, using his personal non-diplomatic passport, he had no immunity.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Once again you presume wrong.

    You do a lot of shit presuming, don't you?

    Try again.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    This is the one I presume:

    Article 39

    "2. When the functions of a person enjoying privileges and immunities have

    come to an end, such privileges and immunities shall normally cease at the
    moment when he leaves the country, or on expiry of a reasonable period in
    which to do so, but shall subsist until that time, even in case of armed con-
    flict. However, with respect to acts performed by such a person in the ex-
    ercise of his functions as a member of the mission, immunity shall continue
    to subsist."

    Once he left the country his immunities stopped. When he returned, using his personal non-diplomatic passport, he had no immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    as a member of the mission
    One presumes while in a country, on an ordinary citizen's passport, he is no longer "a member of the mission". Does a Canadian diplomat, whilst "on leave", in a foreign country, on a private passport, have diplomatic immunity?

    A clause number would be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One presumes while in a country, on an ordinary citizen's passport, he is no longer "a member of the mission". Does a Canadian diplomat, whilst "on leave", in a foreign country, on a private passport, have diplomatic immunity?

    A clause number would be useful.
    You're presuming again. You know you're not very good at it.

    It doesn't matter if he's no longer a member of the mission, any activities he performed while under immunity retain immunity unless it is lifted.

    The Chinkies are questioning him about his activities during that period, which is a clear breach of the convention.

    This is what Trudeau is saying.

    And it demonstrates that the Chinkies either don't know or (more probably) don't care.

    Of course the repercussions of them doing that is that they can't complain if anyone else does it to their spies, er I mean diplomats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    any activities he performed while under immunity retain immunity unless it is lifted.
    You are presuming the activities he is alleged to have performed illegally, by the Chinese courts, took place whilst being accredited by the Chinese government as a Canadian diplomat in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You are presuming the activities he is alleged to have performed illegally, by the Chinese courts, took place whilst being accredited by the Chinese government as a Canadian diplomat in China.
    He isn't in court you numpty.

    He is being interrogated by a bunch of vindictive chinkies trying to get payback for their Huawei criminal getting arrested.

    I've told you before, the Chinkies don't follow due process, they are a nasty police state run by Winnie the Pooh.

    And they are trying to snoop on his diplomatic tasks which, as I've tried to explain to you, is against the Vienna Convention, article 39(2).

    It is called "Residual Diplomatic Immunity".

    Stop with your inane presumptions, you sickening chinky sycophant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    "Residual Diplomatic Immunity".
    What Chinese law or Chinese adopted convention states and defines this term regarding ex-diplomats?

    What evidence do you have that the Chinese investigators are "trying to snoop on his diplomatic tasks"?

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    Here is one ameristani companies article on the Kovrig situation:

    Former Canadian Diplomat
    Michael Kovrig Detained in China


    Michael Kovrig, a former Canadian diplomat, was detained by Chinese authorities during a visit to Beijing on Monday night.

    In a statement on Tuesday, The International Crisis Group (ICG) confirmed Kovrig's detainment and called for his "immediate release."

    "The International Crisis Group calls for the immediate release of its North East Asia Senior Adviser Michael Kovrig. Michael was detained on Monday night in Beijing by the Beijing Bureau of Chinese State Security," the statement read. "Crisis Group has received no information about Michael since his detention and is concerned for his health and safety. We are making every effort to learn more and to secure consular access to Michael from the Chinese authorities."

    The reason for his detention is unclear, however, in a statement emailed to Newsweek, ICG's President & CEO Rob Malley denied Kovrig participated in any wrongdoing. "Michael did not engage in illegal activities nor did he do anything that endangered Chinese national security. He was doing what all Crisis Group analysts do: undertaking objective and impartial research," Malley said. "Developing policy recommendations that aim to prevent and end deadly conflict. And transparently, openly sharing them with decision and opinion makers around the world."

    Kovrig, an international policy analyst and strategist,has been employed full-time as a North East Asia senior adviser for ICG since February 2017. According to his Linkedin profile, he previously worked as a Canadian diplomat, having served in both Hong Kong and Beijing.

    ICG is a Brussels-based nonprofit organization that conducts research on violent conflicts in order to advance policies to resolve and prevent them.

    After news broke of Kovrig's detainment, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he is taking the matter “very seriously” and revealed his government has been in direct contact with Chinese authorities.
    Kovrig’s capture comes amid rising tensions between Canada and China over the arrest of Huawei's chief finance officer Meng Wanzhou by Canadian officials on December 1. On Tuesday, Canada's Minister of Public Safety Ralph Goodale said there is no “explicit indication” to suggest the two incidents are related.

    "We're deeply concerned," Goodale told reporters, according to CBS News. "A Canadian is obviously in difficulty in China… We are sparing no effort to do everything we possibly can to look after his safety."

    https://www.newsweek.com/former-canadian-diplomat-michael-kovrig-detained-china-1254930


    Presuming this publisher has checked it's published "facts", one can deduce the following:

    1. The person being detained, is an ex diplomat.
    2. The person being detained, is and has been working in China since Feb 2017.
    3. The person's employer "believes", "He did not engage in illegal activities nor did he do anything that endangered Chinese national security".
    4. The person being detained, works for a Belgian registered company.
    5. The person being detained, is being assisted by his home governments officials.

    The questions not being addressed are:

    1. Is the company he is working for registered in China legally, if not the company should be dealt with under Chinese law.
    2. Is the individual working in China legally, if not the individual should be dealt with under Chinese law.
    3. Are the actions, by the person under investigation, alleged by the Chinese investigators considered to be against China's national safety and security? If so the individual should be dealt with under Chinese law.
    4. Will the Chinese court believe the statements by a company official, possibly working illegally in China?
    5.
    Will the Chinese court believe the statements of a foreigner, possibly working illegally in China?
    6. Will the Chinese court believe the statements by the Beijing Bureau of Chinese State Security?
    7. Are Belgium laws legally superior to all other countries laws



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    God you're being dim this week.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    What Chinese law or Chinese adopted convention states and defines this term regarding ex-diplomats?
    THE VIENNA CONVENTION, ARTICLE 39(2)

    What evidence do you have that the Chinese investigators are "trying to snoop on his diplomatic tasks"?
    The fact that the Canadian PM has had to tell them publicly. Why would he bother otherwise you moron?

    The Kovrig detention ushers in a disturbing new reality for diplomats in Beijing. Up until now, they have been confident that their immunity from prosecution allowed them full scope to do what they were sent to China to do − understand what’s happening there and why it matters. Importantly, the Vienna Convention, which governs these things, extends this immunity in time, meaning that an individual can’t be prosecuted for prior diplomatic work after diplomatic status has been relinquished.

    But it now appears that Mr. Kovrig’s interrogation by Chinese officials has been focused on his former role as a diplomat. This explains the Prime Minister’s recent statement of concern about Mr. Kovrig’s diplomatic status having been violated.


    This concern is justified.


    It is normal for diplomats to return to China later in life to do research, attend conferences or pursue business interests.
    Now, they must worry that some visit or conversation that was a legitimate part of their diplomatic work years earlier will make them vulnerable to the kind of retaliatory detention that appears to be China’s diplomatic weapon of choice.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...w-reality-for/

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