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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Still trying to work out on which planet
    This one. The one where the most powerful do what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    She doesn't 'work for' the firm,you plank, she IS the firm. She is directly responsible for any illegal activity that firm might undertake.
    Gosh you are a thicko. Doesn't matter if she is the firm. IT has NOTHING to do with the yank twats what they do unless you also believe the US are the owners of the world and should be obeyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^Who owns UK?

    Same people who own the US. The Merkins think they own the world and are the world police. Brits think they do. The people who really do don't have any country loyalties because their families crime syndicates stratch back to a time before these countries existed. Just another divide and conquer routine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Same people who own the US. The Merkins think they own the world and are the world police. Brits think they do. The people who really do don't have any country loyalties because their families crime syndicates stratch back to a time before these countries existed. Just another divide and conquer routine.

    You're not very bright are you?

    If someone commits a crime they can be arrested in another country and extradited if the two countries have a treaty.

    In Canada's case, they will extradite if the crime exists in Canadian law. The charge is defrauding banks, so I'd imagine there's a good chance it is.

    So she'll just have to wait until Monday and hope to fuck she's bought the right brief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If someone commits a crime
    As we have seen recently, doing a business where some do not like it is a more criminal act than an outrageous murder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    can you grab someone on international territory? she was not "legally" in Canada since she was changing plane
    It appears the law applies as soon as the Canadian/ameristani registered plane powers on, prior to take off, anywhere in the world. Or whilst flying through their airspace.

    "ARTICLE 3

    (1) For the purpose of this Treaty the territory of a Contracting Party shall include all territory under the jurisdiction of that Contracting Party, including air space and territorial waters and vessels and aircraft registered in that Contracting Party or aircraft leased without crew to a lessee who has his principal place of business, or, if the lessee has no such place of business, his permanent residence in, that Contracting Party if any such aircraft is in flight, or if any such vessel is on the high seas when the offense is committed. For the purposes of this Treaty an aircraft shall be considered in flight from the moment when power is applied for the purpose of the take-off until the moment when the landing run ends. "


    https://web.oas.org/mla/en/Treaties_...il_usa3_en.pdf

    One wonders what other countries has such laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Gosh you are a thicko. Doesn't matter if she is the firm. IT has NOTHING to do with the yank twats what they do unless you also believe the US are the owners of the world and should be obeyed.
    But if she broke the law in the U.S. then it has everything to do with them. She's an international fugitive. She should face the consequences don't you agree.
    IF she broke the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It appears the law applies as soon as the Canadian/ameristani registered plane powers on, prior to take off,
    actually according to this it's From the moment power is applied to the takeoff run. Which wouldn't include idling at the gate or on the taxiway. At least that's the way I read it. Don't think it would matter either way in this instance.
    anywhere in the world. Or whilst flying through their airspace.

    "ARTICLE 3

    (1) For the purpose of this Treaty the territory of a Contracting Party shall include all territory under the jurisdiction of that Contracting Party, including air space and territorial waters and vessels and aircraft registered in that Contracting Party or aircraft leased without crew to a lessee who has his principal place of business, or, if the lessee has no such place of business, his permanent residence in, that Contracting Party if any such aircraft is in flight, or if any such vessel is on the high seas when the offense is committed. For the purposes of this Treaty an aircraft shall be considered in flight from the moment when power is applied for the purpose of the take-off until the moment when the landing run ends. "


    https://web.oas.org/mla/en/Treaties_...il_usa3_en.pdf

    One wonders what other countries has such laws.

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    Cherchez the (Chinese) oil buys...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Cherchez the (Chinese) oil buys...
    WTF are you on about?

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    What's all the excitement about ?
    Are'nt chinese people used to getting locked up for "No Reasons"?

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    I would say "Mission Accomplished".
    I does'nt matter how this turns out.
    Most Companies/CEO's will do no business with Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    I would say "Mission Accomplished".
    I does'nt matter how this turns out.
    Most Companies/CEO's will do no business with Iran.
    You do live in a dream world Herman.

    She has not been arrested for sanctions busting, if the US want to blacklist Huawei they can do it any time (and already have to an extent). Huawei can sell Iran whatever they like.

    She has been arrested for defrauding a bank.

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    As if it was a crime in US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You do live in a dream world Herman.

    She has not been arrested for sanctions busting, if the US want to blacklist Huawei they can do it any time (and already have to an extent). Huawei can sell Iran whatever they like.

    She has been arrested for defrauding a bank.
    Link?
    As I understand it she's accused of lying about the relationship between their company and a shell company that was selling to Iran.

    prosecutors saying she had committed fraud by lying about links between Huawei and a shell company used to sell telecommunications equipment to Iran in breach of US sanctions.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ei-cfos-arrest

    Then again
    Crown prosecutors allege Meng – the daughter of Huawei’s founder – engaged in “conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutions” in 2013 when she attempted to convince bankers that Huawei and a former Hong Kong subsidiary SkyCom were wholly separate entities.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-breach-canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You do live in a dream world Herman.

    She has not been arrested for sanctions busting, if the US want to blacklist Huawei they can do it any time (and already have to an extent). Huawei can sell Iran whatever they like.

    She has been arrested for defrauding a bank.
    She has been arrested for defrauding a bank.....a scheme to use the global banking system to evade US sanctions against Iran.

    Hey kid, you gotta stop reading those communist newspapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    She has been arrested for defrauding a bank.....a scheme to use the global banking system to evade US sanctions against Iran.

    Hey kid, you gotta stop reading those communist newspapers.
    I'm pretty sure evading US sanctions on a country is not a crime in Canada.

    The US might use threats of tariffs or exclusions to *bully* countries into not doing it, but changing another country's laws is not within the powers of the House or the President according to my knowledge of the US political system.

    Just sayin'...

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    So at least people can stop posting bollocks about her getting arrested on the plane.

    "On Dec. 1, Meng stepped off a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong around noon, and planned a 12-hour stopover in Vancouver before heading on to Mexico."

    Huawei CFO cites health issue in bail bid, offers $12 mn home as collateral


    Wanzhou suffers from hypertension and struggles to eat solid food. She has a sleep disorder. She’s willing to put up a couple of multi-million-dollar homes as collateral.

    Those are some of the arguments lawyers are wielding in a closely watched attempt to free the Huawei Technologies Co. finance chief. Her arrest Dec. 1 unsettled global markets and thrust China’s largest technology company into the heart of sensitive negotiations between the world’s two largest economies. In court filings, her attorneys paint a picture of a cancer survivor who’s undergone multiple surgeries and needs daily medication to cope with a plethora of health issues, while outlining how her entire family has deep roots in Vancouver, where she’s being held.


    The CFO’s bail hearing resumes Monday in the Canadian city after Friday’s proceedings yielded no result. The 46-year-old mother of four, accused of guiding a global effort to mask violations of sanctions on sales to Iran, has languished in jail since her arrest. It’s an unprecedented effort to hold accountable a senior executive who’s considered part of China’s inner circle -- the daughter of billionaire Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei. Meng’s lawyers argue their client has no criminal record and doesn’t pose a flight risk.

    Meng’s team outlined her health issues in unusual detail. A survivor of thyroid cancer who also suffers from severe hypertension and sleep apnea, she needs daily access to drugs, they said.


    “I continue to feel unwell and I am worried about my health deteriorating while I am incarcerated,” she said in a filing. “I currently have difficulty eating solid foods and have had to modify my diet to address those issues. My doctor has for years provided me with daily packages of medications.”


    The other prong of the argument revolves around how Vancouver plays a special role for Meng --- as it does for many a wealthy Chinese -- a place to buy property, educate her children and just let her hair down from time to time. Meng would carve a few weeks out of her punishing travel schedule every year for a break in the city, according to court documents. She’d time it for the summer, when her children would be there. Just last August, she was seen strolling through a local park, snapping photos with her in-laws.


    Meng, who first visited Vancouver about 15 years ago, bought a six-bedroom house with her husband Liu Xiaozong in 2009 that’s now assessed at C$5.6 million ($4.2 million), according to property records and an affidavit by Meng read aloud in court. In 2016, they bought a second property, a brick-and-glass mansion set in a 21,000-square-foot lot assessed at C$16.3 million.

    Purchased with mortgages from HSBC, she’s offered to post the family’s equity in both as part of her bail.


    “She would not flee,” Meng’s defense lawyer David Martin responded. “She has a home here.”


    But her place of retreat has now become a jail. On Dec. 1, Meng stepped off a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong around noon, and planned a 12-hour stopover in Vancouver before heading on to Mexico. Instead, she was arrested and now faces a US extradition request on charges she conspired to defraud banks -- including HSBC -- so that they unwittingly cleared millions of dollars in transactions linked to Iran, in violation of US sanctions.


    Extradition cases can sometimes take years -- whether she spends that time in a cell or under house arrest may hinge in part on her ties to Vancouver and if they’re considered deep enough to stop her from fleeing. The bail hearing is expected to take up all of Monday as her defense team calls witnesses, including security companies. Prosecuting attorneys for the Crown on their part have focused on her wealth -- her father is estimated to be worth more than $2 billion -- to justify their stance that she would flee.


    She has an incentive to flee home to China, which has no extradition treaty with the US, and she has the vast resources and connections to remain out of reach indefinitely, Crown attorney John Gibb-Carsley argued.


    “I’m not saying that wealthy people can’t get bail,” he said Friday at the six-hour bail hearing as more than 100 spectators watched from a glass-walled gallery. “But I’m saying in terms of magnitude to feel the pull of bail, we are in a different universe.”


    Meng’s attorneys, in turn, argue that every case must be considered on its merits without fixating on an individual’s circumstances. On the Crown’s point that Meng has been avoiding the US as a sign of complicity, her lawyers say that stems in part from growing American hostility to Huawei, which has been shut out of government contracts and labeled a national security threat. “In essence, the company abandoned the US market,” according to a filing.


    Meng’s case has transfixed investors on both sides of the Pacific as Washington and Beijing scramble to avert higher tariffs on $200 billion of goods that could depress an already slowing Chinese economy -- with potentially grave global consequences. The move by the US to reach across borders to arrest a prominent Chinese national comes as US political leaders seek to contain the Asian country’s rapid ascendancy, while holding it accountable on allegations of intellectual property theft and protectionism.


    Meng’s father’s net worth was estimated at $3.2 billion, according to Gibb-Carsley. A million-dollar bail to the family is equivalent to a C$156 bail for an upper-middle class Canadian family with C$500,000 in assets, he said.


    Beyond her health and local ties, Meng’s attorneys have attacked the central premises in her case.

    They say it was Huawei’s legal team -- rather than finance -- that prepared a PowerPoint presentation on Iran that Crown lawyers have held up as evidence she was complicit in an internal attempt to flout sanctions.


    Meng is “an accomplished individual of previous good character, who has strong roots and ties to Canada and to the Vancouver community,” Martin wrote in a filing. “She presents no threat to public safety, and due to her health issues incarceration would be extremely punitive.”

    https://www.business-standard.com/ar...1000427_1.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Don't think it would matter either way in this instance
    Correct, but one wonders why they turn on the engines whilst at the gate, if not, "for the purpose of the take-off", ultimately.

    I personally believe it's when the doors are locked and the pilot takes control.


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    Meng, who first visited Vancouver about 15 years ago, bought a six-bedroom house with her husband Liu Xiaozong in 2009 that’s now assessed at C$5.6 million ($4.2 million), according to property records and an affidavit by Meng read aloud in court. In 2016, they bought a second property, a brick-and-glass mansion set in a 21,000-square-foot lot assessed at C$16.3 million.

    Meng’s father’s net worth was estimated at $3.2 billion, according to Gibb-Carsley. A million-dollar bail to the family is equivalent to a C$156 bail for an upper-middle class Canadian family with C$500,000 in assets, he said.
    She might be better off staying in a western jail, before The Beloved Leader Xi "Ka-Ching" Jingping finds her guilty of tax evasion.

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    Definitely going to do a runner if they let her out.



    Huawei chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou is trying desperately to convince Canada to grant her bail.


    Prosecutors have already argued extensively why Meng, the daughter of Huawei’s founder, is a flight risk, including the fact she had at least seven passports, two of which were seized by Canadian authorities. But her lawyers seem to believe that having her husband and private security guards—who she’d pay for—watch over her might convince the British Columbia Supreme Court she won’t flee the country.

    Meng, who was arrested on Dec. 1 at the behest of US authorities for allegedly violating sanctions on Iran, faces potential extradition to the US, where if convicted, she could face up to
    30 years in prison. China, for its part, has also been trying to repatriate Meng. Over the weekend, vice foreign minister Le Yucheng summoned the US ambassador to China to lodge a “strong protest,” after having warned Canada’s China envoy of “grave consequences” if it didn’t release Meng from custody. (As a response, Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau emphasized the independence of its judiciary.)

    Meng’s bail hearing, which started on Friday (Dec. 7), will drag onto its third day when it resumes today. At yesterday’s hearing, her defense lawyer proposed releasing her on house arrest, where she’ll be outfitted with a GPS-tracking ankle monitor, and hiring a security team to monitor her 24/7 in all parts of her house except a “
    controlled environment,” reports the South China Morning Post, though it’s unclear what that environment is.

    Under the proposal, Meng’s husband would also act as her “jailer” and ensure she abides by the terms of her house arrest. If she’s found in violation, he would lose C$15 million. The judge, William Ehrcke, however, said he wasn’t sure if Meng’s husband,
    lacking legal status to reside in Canada (paywall), could actually fulfill his duties as a guarantor, having just arrived in Canada the week prior on a visitor visa.

    According to Ehrcke, it’s impossible to guarantee she
    wouldn’t be a flight risk. As the heiress to the Huawei empire, Meng has access to an exorbitant amount of wealth that could be used to flee her Vancouver home and ultimately, prosecution. Her trustworthiness is further strained by her seven passports from China and Hong Kong.

    Meng is hoping that her assets can convince the court she won’t run. In her
    affidavit, Meng, who does not have a criminal record, offered to surrender her passports, make a cash deposit to the court, and guarantee one or both of her Vancouver homes, with a combined value of more than C$20 million, as equity. She also added that any breach of bail could damage Huawei’s reputation.
    https://qz.com/1490885/huaweis-cfo-o...-granted-bail/

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    100% certain

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    Former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig detained in China after arrest of Huawei CFO Sabrina Meng Wanzhou in Canada

    The International Crisis Group confirmed in a statement on Tuesday that it was “aware of reports that its North East Asia Senior Adviser, Michael Kovrig, has been detained in China”.






    “We are doing everything possible to secure additional information on Michael’s whereabouts as well as his prompt and safe release,” the statement said.


    The release did not indicate the reasons for Kovrig’s detention.


    The news came as a court in Vancouver is set to decide whether to grant bail for Sabrina Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of China’s telecommunications giant, Huawei Technologies.


    Meng was arrested in Vancouver on December at the US government’s request, which accused Meng of violating US sanctions against Iran.


    The arrest had angered Beijing. Over the weekend, Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng summoned Canadian Ambassador John McCallum on Saturday night to lodge a “strong protest” and warned Ottawa of “grave consequences” from Meng’s arrest.


    Kovrig has been a full-time expert for the ICG since February 2017. He served as senior adviser for North East Asia, conducting research and providing analysis on foreign affairs and global security issues in North East Asia, particularly on China, Japan and the Korean peninsula.



    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...detained-china

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    awesome, taking hostages on both sides,

    like old times in the middle age

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig detained in China after arrest of Huawei CFO Sabrina Meng Wanzhou in Canada
    Nice one. When's his bail hearing?





    Oh.

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