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    well first, they need to prove that she lied or they lied

    unless they have emails, good luck with that

    case will be dismissed eventually, and messages sent to the world business community

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    well first, they need to prove that she lied or they lied

    unless they have emails,
    They will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm sure you can find it on one of your chinky government mouthpieces
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    Here's Article 7:



    Article 7 Any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with state intelligence work in accordance with the law, and keep the secrets of national intelligence work known to the public.


    The State protects individuals and organizations that support, assist and cooperate with national intelligence work.
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    Desperate little fuckers these two.
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    Here's a link to the law:

    ????????????_?????
    At last a source from a recognised government agency albeit in Chinese but as they say, from the horses mouth, thank you.

    Using my translation app, (Imtranslator) here is the Chinese to English translation:

    "National Intelligence Law of the People's Republic

    (Adopted at the 28th meeting of the Standing Committee of the 12th National People's Congress on June 27, 2017)

    Article 7 Any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with state intelligence work in accordance with the law, and keep the secrets of national intelligence work known to the public.

    The State protects individuals and organizations that support, assist and cooperate with national intelligence work."

    Point one, it is a later version - 27/06/17 ('arry 1 - OhOh 0)

    Point two it includes 'arrys second sentence. ('arry 2 - OhOh 0)

    A resounding defeat for over hasty OhOh.

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    Trying hard aren't you.
    I don't agree with kangaroo courts as adopted in some countries.

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    Just because they say it doesn't make it so.
    I agree, but the same doubt can be levelled at the prosecution statements. In accordance to Canadian law both sides testimony is tested in court, the prosecutors as well as the defendants. Currently neither have been in a Canadian trial court, no evidence has been tested by legal means and a verdict decided by a jury.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    She's in this mess partly becayuse they already lied about the relationship between the companies, who's to say they're not lying now.
    When, where and to whom? In Canada, to a Canadian court? A link would be a starter, my apologies if you have already posted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    What problem do you have with her facing the court if she broke the law?
    None at all, if proven guilty in a Canadian court of law and they have jurisdiction.

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    Which she obviously did.
    Yet to be proven, in a Canadian court of law, otherwise she would have been convicted, sentenced and be serving her sentence in a Canadian jail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Whether or not sime random canadian or other could be prosecutted under section 308 (1) is neither here nor there is it.
    I disagree, Canadian law should apply to all citizens, if they have jurisdiction, and followed equally relentlessly, without reference to age, sex or nationality.

    From Section 553 - Absolute Jurisdiction.

    "or thing or of the proceeds was obtained by or derived directly or indirectly fromthe commission in Canada of an offence punishable by indictment or an act or omission anywhere that, if it had occurred in Canada, would have constituted an offence punishable by indictment, "

    http://www.criminal-code.ca/criminal...ion/index.html


    I suspect the offence would have to be conducted, have been conducted within Canada, or affected a Canadian citizen or company in some way. Rather than worldwide, but I maybe a TD lawyer will clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I suspect the offence would have to be conducted, have been conducted within Canada, or affected a Canadian citizen or company in some way. Rather than worldwide, but I maybe a TD lawyer will clarify.

    What are you waffling on about now?

    She is in custody because the US have requested extradition. It's up to them to prove to Canada that she has committed an appropriate crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's up to them to prove to Canada that she has committed an appropriate crime.
    She is being accused in a Canadian court of facing charges triable under Canadian laws.

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    The Canadian Extradition Act requires that in order for a person to be extradited, the individual must be facing charges for an offence deemed criminal in both Canada and the country seeking the extradition request.Crown prosecutors argue Meng violated section 380 of Canada’s criminal code, which pertains to fraud.
    Unless the ameristanies can make that accusation "highly likely" to the Canadian Minister of Justice the "young lady" cannot be extradited.

    The process illustrated with another suspect:

    "Canadian Extradition Act

    Under the Canadian Extradition Act, which lays out the process for extradition with other countries, the federal government can enter into a “specific agreement” to arrange extradition for a particular case. This may occur when a foreign state asks to extradite a Canadian citizen, resident, or a person of interest who fled to Canada, for the purpose of prosecution, following through with sentencing of those already convicted, or enforcing a sentencing.

    To begin the process, a foreign government must make a formal request for extradition to Canada’s Minister of Justice, where the foreign country urgently wants a person in Canada to be detained, they may make a “provisional arrest” request, with an extradition request to follow.

    The Department of Justice then has 30 days to determine whether the alleged crimes would be considered crimes on Canadian soil. After looking at the evidence, the Minister of Justice must then decide whether to surrender the accused to a foreign state."

    https://www.canadianfraudnews.com/ka...s-extradition/



    The Canadians are trying the "highly likely" route, a la "Salisbury 3 - The Asian Angel of Death"?

    She's got a one-way ticket to Guantanamo Bay Detention/Re-education camp
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    Bless her, looks like she's in chokey for the weekend.

    Dec. 8 (UPI) -- Canadian prosecutors revealed details in the U.S. case against the chief financial officer of Huawei, who faces extradition to the United States, at a bail hearing in Vancouver.

    Meng Wanzhou, 46, the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, was arrested Dec. 1 while changing planes in Vancouver, British Columbia, on her way from Hong Kong to Mexico on suspicion she violated U.S. trade sanctions against Iran.

    At a bail hearing Friday, it was revealed that her arrest stemmed from a warrant that a U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York issued on August 22.

    Prosecutors
    alleged in court documents that Huawei used an unofficial subsidiary called Skycom from 2009 to 2014 to conduct business with Iran in violation of United States and European Union sanctions against the nation.


    Canadian Justice Department attorney John Gibb-Carsley said Meng had "direct involvement" with Huawei's representations to banks.


    The company has had a tense relationship with the U.S. government this year. The Justice Department opened an investigation into Huawei in April, probing whether it sold products to Iran. In May, the
    Pentagon banned the company's phones from being sold on U.S. military bases worldwide because they "may pose an unacceptable risk to Department's personnel, information and mission," Pentagon spokesman Maj. Dave Eastburn said at the time.


    Meng was on Skycom's board between February 2008 and April 2009, and as CFO she misrepresented Skycom and Huawei as the same company, deceiving U.S. banks into doing business in violation of U.S. sanctions on Iran, according to court documents filed Nov. 30.


    Details regarding her detainment were limited previously due to a press ban prior to the hearing.

    Wanzhou's lawyer argued that she is not a flight risk because of her ties to Canada. With no decision made Friday, she remains in custody, and the bail hearing is set to resume again on Monday.


    "We will continue to follow the bail hearing on Monday," the company said in a statement. "We have every confidence that the Canadian and U.S. legal systems will reach the right conclusion."


    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...7611544284184/

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    Prosecutors alleged in court documents that Huawei used an unofficial subsidiary called Skycom from 2009 to 2014 to conduct business with Iran in violation of United States and European Union sanctions against the nation.
    Still trying to work out on which planet these yank fucks think that just because they write something on a bit of paper, a chinese women in canada working for a firm that sells shit to Iran is therefore imprisoned.

    A quick look at one of Irans online shops shows you that the yanks are VERY selective at applying their "ohhh sanctions - we're going to arrest you" lark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Still trying to work out on which planet these yank fucks think that just because they write something on a bit of paper, a chinese women in canada working for a firm that sells shit to Iran is therefore imprisoned.

    A quick look at one of Irans online shops shows you that the yanks are VERY selective at applying their "ohhh sanctions - we're going to arrest you" lark.
    She doesn't 'work for' the firm,you plank, she IS the firm. She is directly responsible for any illegal activity that firm might undertake.

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    can you grab someone on international territory? she was not "legally" in Canada since she was changing plane

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    ^ It is a bit of a grey area at YVR. Some flights do their US immigration and customs clearance at YVR and fly to US as if it were a domestic flight.

    It might end up like the border scene in Pursuit of Honor. "Have you broken a law in Canada?"........ "I'll consider that a minor infraction"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    can you grab someone on international territory? she was not "legally" in Canada since she was changing plane
    I'm sure they've crossed all their Ts and dotted all the i s.

    Meanwhile China seems to think their citizens are entitled to flout the laws of whatever country they choose without facing the consequences.

    China threatens Canada with 'grave consequences' if Huawei CFO not freed

    Chinese backlash intensifies as Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US over fraud allegations



    Reuters
    Sun 9 Dec 2018 01.22 GMT


    China has warned Canada there would be severe consequences if it did not immediately release Huawei’s chief financial officer, calling the case “extremely nasty”.
    Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada on 1 December and faces extradition to the United States, which alleges that she covered up her company’s links to a firm that tried to sell equipment to Iran despite sanctions.
    The executive is the daughter of Huawei’s founder.
    If extradited to the US, Meng would face charges of conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutions, a Canadian court heard on Friday, with a maximum sentence of 30 years for each charge.
    No decision was reached at the extradition hearing after nearly six hours of arguments and counter-arguments, and the hearing was adjourned until Monday.
    In a statement on Saturday, China’s foreign ministry said the vice-foreign minister, Le Yucheng, had issued the warning to release Meng to Canada’s ambassador in Beijing, summoning him to lodge a “strong protest”.


    China’s official news agency Xinhua reported Le summoned the Canadian ambassador, John McCallum, in protest and urged Ottawa to release Meng immediately or face “grave consequences that the Canadian side should be held accountable for”.
    Adam Austen, a spokesman for the Canadian foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland, said on Saturday there was “nothing to add beyond what the minister said yesterday”.
    Freeland told reporters on Friday the relationship with China was important and valued, and Canada’s ambassador in Beijing has assured the Chinese that Meng would receive consular access.
    When asked about the possible Chinese backlash, the prime minister, Justin Trudeau, told reporters on Friday Canada had a very good relationship with Beijing.
    Canada’s arrest of Meng at the request of the United States while she was changing plane in Vancouver was a serious breach of her lawful rights, Le said. The move “ignored the law, was unreasonable” and was in its very nature “extremely nasty”, he added.
    “There will probably be a deep freeze with the Chinese in high-level visits and exchanges,” David Mulroney, a former Canadian ambassador to China, said on Friday.


    “The ability to talk about free trade will be put in the ice box for a while. But we’re going to have to live with that. That’s the price of dealing with a country like China.”
    Meng’s arrest took place on the same day the US president, Donald Trump, met in Argentina with his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to resolve an escalating trade war between the world’s two largest economies.
    The news of Meng’s arrest has roiled stock markets and drawn condemnation from Chinese authorities, although Trump and his top economic advisers have played down its importance to trade talks after the two leaders agreed to a truce.
    A Huawei spokesman said on Friday the company has “every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach the right conclusion”. The company has said it complies with all applicable export control and sanctions laws and other regulations.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-cfo-not-freed
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    ^ It is a bit of a grey area at YVR. Some flights do their US immigration and customs clearance at YVR and fly to US as if it were a domestic flight.

    It might end up like the border scene in Pursuit of Honor. "Have you broken a law in Canada?"........ "I'll consider that a minor infraction"
    She wasn't flying to the US, so why would she need to clear US customs and immigration in Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I'm sure they've crossed all their Ts and dotted all the i s.
    I will not be so sure,

    you know how many times prosecutors do illegal shit, or even major legal mistakes by pure incompetence, or thinking they can get away with it when their case is too thin? much more than you know,

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    ^ Agreed but once you are on the ground you are in Canada regardless of which side of immigration you are.

    Same at any airport. Except of course in the Tom Hank's movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    She wasn't flying to the US, so why would she need to clear US customs and immigration in Canada?
    exactly, I bet that's what her lawyer is arguing and could explain why the whole thing was delayed over the week-end

    I think US authorities wanted some quality time with her, over the week-end, and she will be gone on Monday because their case for her arrest is too thin

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    ^ Agreed but once you are on the ground you are in Canada regardless of which side of immigration you are.

    Same at any airport. Except of course in the Tom Hank's movie.
    not true, you are in an international zone.

    Tom Hank movie was actually a real story, saw the guy a few times at CDG

    maybe you should get out more

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    I guess the "interesting" point maybe why were US representatives allowed to detain her on Canadian soil, if she has broken no Canadian law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    I guess the "interesting" point maybe why were US representatives allowed to detain her on Canadian soil, if she has broken no Canadian law.
    They didn't. The Canadians detained her at the request of the Yanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    US representatives allowed to detain her on Canadian soil
    Are you suggesting Canada's Department of Justice are ameristani "representatives"?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Sabrina Meng was arrested in Vancouver on Saturday, and a bail hearing is set for Friday, said Ian McLeod, a spokesperson for Canada's Department of Justice.

    "As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time," he said in a statement. "The ban was sought by Ms. Meng."
    I was under the impression she had been arrested by the Canada's Department of Justice's (CDJ) officers. As the CDJ believe she is guilty of one of their, Canadian, fraud laws. I hope their not relying on the word of the ameristani regime agencies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    No decision was reached at the extradition hearing after nearly six hours of arguments and counter-arguments, and the hearing was adjourned until Monday.
    It appears that Canada's Department of Justice's legal team are have trouble in convincing a Canadian judge she is guilty of anything, currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    ^ Agreed but once you are on the ground you are in Canada regardless of which side of immigration you are.

    Same at any airport. Except of course in the Tom Hank's movie.
    You are appear to be confusing yourself. You said:

    Some flights do their US immigration and customs clearance at YVR and fly to US as if it were a domestic flight.
    She was flying from Hong Kong to Mexico, so why would she need to clear US customs and immigration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Are you suggesting Canada's Department of Justice are ameristani "representatives"?



    I was under the impression she had been arrested by the Canada's Department of Justice's (CDJ) officers. As the CDJ believe she is guilty of one of their, Canadian, fraud laws. I hope their not relying on the word of the ameristani regime agencies.



    It appears that Canada's Department of Justice's legal team are have trouble in convincing a Canadian judge she is guilty of anything, currently.
    Or it appears that China is having difficulty convincing a judge that she is innocent - or even worthy of bail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    I guess the "interesting" point maybe why were US representatives allowed to detain her on Canadian soil, if she has broken no Canadian law.
    and we wondered why Assange was getting so paranoid about the faux raping case

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    I guess the "interesting" point maybe why were US representatives allowed to detain her on Canadian soil, if she has broken no Canadian law.
    I believe the whole extradition thing is to see if she has committed a crime which would apply under Canadian law as well as US law.

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    BTW, where is the law written that I am not allowed (by whom) to do business with the one I want?

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