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    I'm guessing he was researching what's going on in a certain region of China on which discussion is discouraged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I'm guessing he was researching what's going on in a certain region of China on which discussion is discouraged.
    And it's none of their fucking business. They can't arrest him for it, but they can ask for him to be removed.

    But when did the chinkies ever give a shit about human rights or international law?

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    Um, it's absolutely their business. That's exactly what it is.
    And to your second point, never.

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    Dont know why the Canadians haven't sent her to the USA yet and transferred the problem. Justin has probably instructed the police to check whether she is possibly a member of anyone of a thousand minority group that Canada now recognises or will do if they can possibly find one they've missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Dont know why the Canadians haven't sent her to the USA yet and transferred the problem.
    I'm guessing they are going through procedural justice and not simply doing what the US wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Dont know why the Canadians haven't sent her to the USA yet and transferred the problem. Justin has probably instructed the police to check whether she is possibly a member of anyone of a thousand minority group that Canada now recognises or will do if they can possibly find one they've missed.
    It's called "Due Process" and an "Independent Judiciary".

    Alien terms to the chinkies. They're probably as confused as you are.

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    Chinkies are throwing their toys out of the pram.

    China has warned Canada there will be ‘repercussions’ if it decides, like some Western nations, to ban the use of 5G equipment from Huawei Technologies on security grounds.


    The warning, from China’s ambassador to Canada, comes after China arrested two Canadian men, an entrepreneur (Michael Spavor) and a former diplomat (Michael Kovrig) last month. Meanwhile another Canadian, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, who was jailed for drug smuggling, has just been sentenced to death.

    The Chinese move comes after the
    arrest in early December of Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer and deputy chair of Chinese networking giant Huawei.

    https://www.silicon.co.uk/mobility/4...wei-ban-240607
    They'll really spit the fucking dummy when they read this.



    The German government is considering banning Huawei from providing 5G equipment, citing security worries.


    The race to deploy 5G technology is kicking off in earnest, with some US telecoms providers already running into trouble for misleading customers. Elsewhere, the supply of equipment to meet the demand of 5G networks is a key priority for many governments. Central to their requirements is, obviously, security.

    The woes of Chinese tech giant Huawei are well documented at this point, with countries such as the UK and Australia taking a step back from the deployment of its 5G equipment, citing security worries. Now, the German government is said to be considering a ban on Huawei providing 5G equipment to shape its future network.

    According to German newspaper Handelsblatt, chancellor Angela Merkel’s administration is examining ways to exclude the telecoms firm from the development of the country’s 5G networks. Previously, the country’s interior ministry said it opposed the exclusion of suppliers from its 5G plans.


    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comm...nada-5g-huawei

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    And when they read this!



    CHINESE TECH-BEHEMOTH Huawei is facing the wrath of US authorities, with a criminal enquiry expected that sees the company accused of stealing trade secrets from its US business partners.


    A report in the Wall Street Journal suggests that partners including carrier T-Mobile have come forward as having had their holiest of holies poked, with accusations stemming back as far as 2014, suggesting that the company had tried to nick plans for a robot developed by T-Mobile to test its phones.

    The case is a continuation of ongoing accusations that were found in a Seattle court to have been definite and deliberate but "not willful, nor malicious".



    The case represents another attack on the company which is already on the receiving end of a fair amount of accusations, ranging from
    the decision to remove Huawei from many countries 5G infrastructures for fears of links to the Chinese government, through to more specific charges against senior members of staff.

    https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...-trade-secrets

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    Canada can't do anything until the extradition hearing which is coming up at the end of the month.

    It could be the case that the Americans at that point will say they don't want her. If that is the case then there be
    an awful lot of Canadians and Canadian government folk who will be very pissed indeed. What has happened to date has cost Canada billions of dollars going forward.

    If the Americans do wish to extradite then it goes into the Canadian judicial system for months if not years before she goes anywhere. She could easily do a runner. Let's hope she does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    s examining ways to exclude the telecoms firm from the development of the country’s 5G networks. Previously, the country’s interior ministry said it opposed the exclusion of suppliers from its 5G plans.
    The Germans are investigating all suppliers not any particular one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The Germans are investigating all suppliers not any particular one.
    That's probably just to stop the chinky spies whining that they're being picked on.

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    ^Of course, however it does ensure that any "conditions" applied to one supplier can be noted and utilised against all suppliers. More useful than the opaque "national security" clause utilised so far.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^Of course, however it does ensure that any "conditions" applied to one supplier can be noted and utilised against all suppliers. More useful than the opaque "national security" clause utilised so far.

    Of course. They can apply it to any country that consistently steals intellectual property and is populated by chinkies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    is populated by chinkies.
    Canada, Oz, NZ or ameristan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Canada, Oz, NZ or ameristan?
    If the cap fits.

    I think Chinastan are favourites though.

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    Lets get down to what this is really all about...

    5G, Huawei and Us — The U.S. Hates Competition
    https://tomluongo.me/2019/01/19/5g-h...s-competition/

    All across the “Five Eyes” countries we have seen announcement after announcement of their banning Huawei 5G equipment from their networks. This is as much economic protectionism as it is about ‘national security.’
    The real issue is that nothing has changed since a 2014 report from The Register that Huawei categorically refuses to install NSA backdoors into their hardware to allow unfettered intelligence access to the data that crosses their networks.

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    Too true.

    Also from your source:

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    Never forget that when they are presenting you with one bogeyman it is to distract you from the real one — them. We know from the myriad of leaks and data breaches that all of our data winds up in the hands people we didn’t give consent to.

    We know that the NSA has access to any information it wants, obtained via the fiction of ‘legal channels.’ So why should we go through the fiction of pretending like Huawei is the real threat?

    They may very well be, but it hasn’t been proven and it would be bad business for them to actually do so.

    Simply put [western] capital isn’t going into innovation, it’s going into defending your moats[quarterly bonuses depend on a the company bought share price] , as Warren Buffet would put it. Moats around your business aren’t permanent. They require maintenance and innovation to remain strong.

    Banning Huawei’s 5G network technology will ensure the communications gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world remains since the best products will not be on the market to spur competition, drive prices and costs down which fuel the next round of innovation.

    Even as patriots worried about China’s most nefarious schemes we should not be applauding this. Because 5G itself is technology so far in advance of where we are now it means a completely different Internet architecture.

    We’re staring at one capable of resisting the ham-fisted control techniques currently in place to keep us bottled up behind pay-walls, app-stores and, most importantly, hub and server connectivity.

    Bandwidth so wide it means peer-to-peer networks so fast we won’t need sites like YouTube or Periscope to do citizen journalism.

    Deplatforming will become harder and harder. Decentralized data storage on blockchains which they can’t hack, etc.

    And that’s what truly scares these people. What happens when the net itself becomes so decentralized they won’t be able to pick up a phone and take you offline?"


    So many western business models depend on "them" being the "gate keeper", to access your own data and non-fake news. Compare delivered service/product profits with the selling of user data profits. Some are suggesting product sale prices are just covering costs. Profit is now all derived from consumer data sales to "interested" or legally compelled entities. You thought cheap, connected to the cloud TV's, are for your benefit or a commercial customer/government agency desiring to hear, see your and your families, actions 24/7.

    Allow big brother to continue to deny freedoms or take control of your own destiny.
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    Where did you nick that from Ohoh? You forgot to put a link. Stop being so chinky and credit the author for their work.

    Oh, I'll let you off, I see you're copying it off a friend.

    You forgot to copy this bit though:

    “The Security Service had already told us in early 2008 that, theoretically, the Chinese State may be able to exploit any vulnerabilities in Huawei’s equipment in order to gain some access to the BT network, which would provide them with an attractive espionage opportunity”, the UK committee reported

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    the Chinese State may be able to
    I suspect many countries spies "may be able" to ....... Some have a proven track record. What's your point?

    Should one only be very, very afraid of one particular country? I wonder where China is placed on the very, very afraid list.

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    Allegedly ameristan has decided to ask Canada to "honour" the extradition agreement.

    China Threatens Retaliation As US Confirms Plan To Extradite Huawei CFO



    "Despite China's demands that the US government use the shutdown as an excuse not to make a formal extradition request for Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou, DOJ officials have reportedly told a Canadian diplomat that the DOJ will submit its formal extradition request by the Jan. 30 deadline (the US has 60 days from the day of Meng's arrest in Vancouver to formally ask for extradition). The news, which was first published Tuesday by Canadian newspaper Globe and Mail, sent the offshore yuan lower as Chinese officials accused the US of "abusing" the extradition system in the Meng case. According to the report, David MacNaughton, Canada's ambassador to the US, met with senior White House and State Department officials about the Meng case.

    MacNaughton also reportedly expressed to Washington Canada's unhappiness that it had been drawn into the dispute, and that several of its citizens are now facing retaliation from Beijing.

    "We do not like that it is our citizens who are being punished," he was quoted as saying. "[The Americans] are the ones seeking to have the full force of American law brought against [Meng] and yet we are the ones who are paying the price. Our citizens are."
    He also said the US had expressed its appreciation that Ottawa would honor the extradition agreement, and said that Canada would continue to press Beijing about releasing Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, the two Canadian nationals arrested on vague "national security" charges in the wake of Meng's arrest.


    In a warning issued after the report, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying threatened that China would "take action" in response to the US's decision, adding that the extradition convention was "an abuse" of power.

    "Everyone has to be held responsible for their own actions. Both the US and Canada should be aware of the seriousness of the case and take steps to rectify the mistake."
    A Huawei executive speaking in Davos also vaguely accused the US of trying to exercise "supremacy". Deputy Chairman Ken Hu told a panel that no one country should exercise "supremacy" in the global economy, a comment apparently directed at the US and its attempts to push Huawei out of Western markets.

    "We are at the turning point of the restructuring of the global economy...the current globalization is the result of competition and cooperation based on comparative advantage. It’s not the pursuit of any single country for absolute primacy."
    Meng's next court appearance is set for Feb. 6, which will be to set a date for her extradition hearing. Once the US submits its formal extradition request, the Canadian Department of Justice will have 30 days to decide whether to approve the request and begin extradition proceedings.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-22/china-threatens-retaliation-us-confirms-plans-extradite-huawei-cfo


    Honour an agreement, isn't that un-american? One hopes Canada will "honour" it's own laws.

    Presumably the ameristani DoJ, being a "government" department, will remain shut for an eternity.
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    Possibly an ameristani alternative is better for.......

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    "Legal Process" = They have to get a warrant, dumbass.

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    At least the US will be absorbing a larger share of the shit that's being thrown from China.

    This isn't going to be resolved for at least a year, possibly longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They have to get a warrant
    Are you sure a tweet or a "highly likely" opinion, isn't sufficient.


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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    This isn't going to be resolved for at least a year, possibly longer.
    One would have assumed the two governments legal advisors would have made sure all the "Ts" were crossed and all the "Is" dotted, prior to incarcerating a person. In an honest investigation most civilised countries require more than a "highly likely" statement from a politician known around the world for misspeaking and 180 reversals.

    What with China's famed facial recognition apparatus, it's not "highly likely" the accused could hide anywhere.




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