Vive la revolution

**OhOh** · 04-12-2018, 04:12 PM

Revolution in Ukraine? Yes, please!

Revolution in France? Rule of law!

"When violent protests shook Kiev in 2013, Western analysts and leaders quickly threw their support behind the anti-government ‘revolution’ — but after weeks of Yellow Vest protests in France, the reaction has been very different.

While Western governments and commentators denounced the Ukrainian government of Viktor Yanukovych and urged that he give in to protesters’ demands five years ago, this time around, they are denouncing the French protesters and urging President Emmanuel Macron, whose popularity stands at about 25 percent, to stand firm against dissatisfied citizens.
Western media coverage has also differed drastically with reports describing French protesters as rioters, while Ukrainian protesters were described as revolutionaries. The contrasting reaction has prompted many to ask the question: If a so-called revolution is allowed to happen (and even applauded) in Ukraine, why not in France?

French police have cracked down on the ‘Yellow Vest’ protesters in bloody clashes, during which water cannons and tear gas were deployed to disperse huge crowds, who responded by throwing stones at officers. The extent of the chaos has even caused officials to mull imposing a state of emergency and prompted concerns that protest movement could spread to countries like Germany and the Netherlands. Worried government officials and French and European political commentators have eagerly called for the “rule of law” to be respected and for violent protesters to respect French institutions.

In Kiev, however, when protesters set fire to cars, defaced public property and attacked police officers, they were held up as heroes. Law and order was of little concern to Western media which wholeheartedly supported the Maidan movement. Similarly, when anti-government protests kicked off in Syria in 2011, Western leaders and commentators advocated the swift overthrow of the government and provided moral (and material) support to anti-government rebels during the subsequent civil war that ripped the country apart.

During a visit to Argentina for the G20 Summit last weekend, Macron vowed that he would “not concede anything” to the “thugs” who want “destruction and disorder.” His unwillingness to cave in the face of a mass protest movement, however, has not prompted any calls for him to step down and respect the will of the people, as happened in Ukraine and Syria.

On Twitter, well-known French political commentator and media personality Bernard-Henri Lévy, lashed out at the Yellow Vest protesters, accusing them of “playing with fire” and saying that all that matters is respect for French institutions and the democratically -elected president

Lévy’s followers, however, were quick to remind him that his reaction to protests in Ukraine were quite different. Lévy, who was in Ukraine during the Euromaidan movement, actively promoted it, giving speeches and tweeting enthusiastically about the protests. When Yanukovych was overthrown, he described it as a “a historic defeat of tyranny.”

As the protests raged on for the third week, other Twitter users mocked the patronizing Western reaction to anti-government movements in other regions, with one suggesting that perhaps hundreds of Arab experts could get together at fancy conferences to attempt to decipher the causes of this fascinating ‘European Winter’ movement.

Another said it was about time that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani called on Macron to exercise “restraint” and ensure that the “freedom of expression and demonstration” are respected in France.

Sarcasm aside, it looks very much like violent revolutions and regime change are only a good enough solution to crises in countries far away from the centres of Western power and influence and led by uncooperative governments. When the rumblings of revolution are felt in Paris, where Macron remains committed to upholding a neoliberal and West-centric world order, it's a different story entirely."

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/445475-fran...pocrisy-media/

**harrybarracuda** · 04-12-2018, 04:47 PM

Oh look, more RT propaganda.

The French goverment is not trying to get into bed with Putin. The protesters are against Fuel taxes.

Did you really think this absurd comparison would stand up to scrutiny?

**bsnub** · 04-12-2018, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh look, more RT propaganda.

Jeezus what kind of an idiot swallows this shit.....

....Oh wait.

**SKkin** · 04-12-2018, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

As the protests raged on for the third week, other Twitter users mocked the patronizing Western reaction to anti-government movements in other regions, with one suggesting that perhaps hundreds of Arab experts could get together at fancy conferences to attempt to decipher the causes of this fascinating ‘European Winter’ movement.

Another said it was about time that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani called on Macron to exercise “restraint” and ensure that the “freedom of expression and demonstration” are respected in France.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Jeezus what kind of an idiot swallows this shit.....

Maybe the same kind that swallowed Victoria Nudelman's(aka Mrs. Robert Kagan) bullshit...

https://medium.com/@gmochannel/us-st...s-898c6d0007d6

**HuangLao** · 04-12-2018, 06:59 PM

Expect a social spread like wildfire....
Up all revolutions.

**Klondyke** · 04-12-2018, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

more RT propaganda.

If it's written by RT, it did not happen...

**harrybarracuda** · 04-12-2018, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Expect a social spread like wildfire....
Up all revolutions.

You're expecting a "European Spring" like the Arab one, are you Jeff?

**HuangLao** · 04-12-2018, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're expecting a "European Spring" like the Arab one, are you Jeff?

Actually, I'm hoping they'll systematically wipe one another off the map.
Euro-type self extermination.
Might include the Yanks, Brits, and Aussies into the mix of festivities - wouldn't be thorough without their inclusion.

Can only be beneficial to the world over.

**Mandaloopy** · 04-12-2018, 07:34 PM

What is rather sad that the hard right are trying to turn it to be against Islam and immigration rather than wealthy and corrupt politicians- who they seem to regard in awe. Their forelock is going the get pulled clean off at this rate. Trump and Co must be laughing all the way to the bank.

**SKkin** · 04-12-2018, 08:35 PM

Another recently departed US "hero" was right in the middle of that Ukraine debacle. The Admiral's boy Senator John McStain.

See the link in post #4.

**OhOh** · 04-12-2018, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Did you really think this absurd comparison would stand up to scrutiny?

So many similarities before your eyes, but you are unable to recognise any, being blinded by the source of a simple writer's opinion piece.

How the blinkered live in ignorance.

**Klondyke** · 04-12-2018, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

Another recently departed US "hero" was right in the middle of that Ukraine debacle. The Admiral's boy Senator John McStain.

See the link in post #4.

But they were just handing out cookies to the peaceful protesters...

**harrybarracuda** · 04-12-2018, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

So many similarities before your eyes, but you are unable to recognise any, being blinded by the source of a simple writer's opinion piece.

How the blinkered live in ignorance.

There are fuck all similarities you blithering nincompoop.

The Arab spring was an uprising against unelected dictators.

The French riots are a bunch of lazy, soap-dodging lefties who think they should get everything free or cheap just because they don't wash.

Another good reason to fuck off out of Europe and leave the smelly little cheese eating surrender monkeys to it.

**Neverna** · 04-12-2018, 10:21 PM

During a visit to Argentina for the G20 Summit last weekend, Macron vowed that he would “not concede anything”. Today, France is halting the fuel tax rise.

Round 1 to the protestors.

https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/franc...s-doc-1ba2bq14

France halts fuel tax hikes in bid to calm fiery protests

The French government announced Tuesday that it would suspend planned increases in fuel taxes for six months in a bid to quell fierce protests that have ballooned into the deepest crisis of Emmanuel Macron's presidency.

The concession was one of several made by Prime Minister Edouard Philippe in a rare televised address, after the country was rocked by intense street clashes and vandalism in Paris over the weekend.

"This anger, you would have to be deaf and blind not to see it, nor hear it," Philippe said after more than a fortnight of demonstrations by so-called "yellow vest" protesters. "No tax merits putting the unity of the nation in danger," he added.

**SKkin** · 04-12-2018, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

But they were just handing out cookies to the peaceful protesters...

That and rabble rousing...

**Klondyke** · 04-12-2018, 11:08 PM

One thing have the two revolting countries (Ukraine and France) in common: the approval of their presidents nearing to 10%...

**bobo746** · 05-12-2018, 09:09 AM

**bsnub** · 05-12-2018, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

How the blinkered live in ignorance.

You sure are. Probably the most brainwashed lemming on TD aside from maybe Klondyke but we know that he is a paid Russian troll so there is that.

**OhOh** · 05-12-2018, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The French riots are a bunch of lazy, soap-dodging lefties

More balls than ameristanis and brits put together.

**OhOh** · 05-12-2018, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

but we know that he is a paid Russian troll so there is that.

Every gram helps:

No state tax, free movement between countries and free shipping.

**harrybarracuda** · 05-12-2018, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

More balls than ameristanis and brits put together.

You mean the ones that had to kick out the Germans for the cheese eating surrender monkeys?

Stupid boy.

**Dragonfly** · 05-12-2018, 12:19 PM

once again the French shows to the world what a real protest should look like,

not the gay ones like you have in the UK or US

**Switch** · 05-12-2018, 12:51 PM

^let them eat cake.

so civilized those frogs

**Dragonfly** · 05-12-2018, 01:00 PM

it was "brioche" but never mind, got lost in translation

**Switch** · 05-12-2018, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it was "brioche" but never mind, got lost in translation

Surely, either would work in your French farmers socialist tractors?

It one of France’s redeeming features. If they don’t like a law, they ignore it, or block the ports.

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