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    US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment

    They are the 21st century Enigma by the sounds of it.

    The US government is reportedly trying to persuade allies to stop using Huawei equipment

    Said to be considering subsidies for countries that avoid the hardware

    By Jon Porter@JonPorty Nov 23, 2018, 7:58am EST


    The US government is attempting to persuade allies to stop using Huawei equipment due to security fears, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal. Sources claim that US government officials have met with counterparts in Germany, Japan, and Italy, and are reportedly considering offering financial incentives to countries who opt not to use equipment from the Chinese manufacturer.


    Already this year the US has banned government use of Huawei-made equipment and refuses to let retail stores on military bases sell Huawei handsets. However, there are now fears that US military bases located overseas could be made vulnerable to hacking attempts if their internet traffic travels over commercial networks in other countries built using Huawei hardware.

    The roll-out of new 5G networks also adds additional security concerns.

    Although worries about the use of Chinese-made telecom equipment predate the current administration, the souring of relations with China and an ongoing trade war spearheaded by President Trump have increased cybersecurity fears. Although Huawei maintains that it operates independently from its government, one senator claimed earlier this year that the company “is effectively an arm of the Chinese government.” The heads of the FBI, CIA and NSA have all warned against using phones and other services made by the manufacturer.

    Wary of these concerns, Huawei opened a UK center designed to check its equipment for security faults and backdoors although a government oversight board later said that this effort offered “limited assurance.” A similar center opened in Germany this month.

    In a statement in response to the WSJ article, Huawei expressed its surprise and said it was concerned about reported efforts to influence US allies. “If a government’s behavior extends beyond its jurisdiction,” it said, “such activity should not be encouraged.”

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/23/...-use-subsidies

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    The heads of the FBI, CIA and NSA have all warned against using phones and other services made by the manufacturer.
    This is like Bill Cosby warning everyone about the dangers of having your drink spiked...

    Meanwhile in other news!


    The what


    What the hell is PRISM? PRISM is a tool used by the US National Security Agency (NSA) to collect private electronic data belonging to users of major internet services like Gmail, Facebook, Outlook, and others. It’s the latest evolution of the US government’s post-9/11 electronic surveillance efforts, which began under President Bush with the Patriot Act, and expanded to include the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) enacted in 2006 and 2007.

    There’s a lot we still don’t know about how PRISM works, but the basic idea is that it allows the NSA to request data on specific people from major technology companies like Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, and others. The US government insists that it is only allowed to collect data when given permission by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
    Why is PRISM a big deal?

    Classified presentation slides detailing aspects of PRISM were leaked by a former NSA contractor. On June 6th, The Guardian and The Washington Post published reports based on the leaked slides, which state that the NSA has "direct access" to the servers of Google, Facebook, and others. In the days since the leak, the implicated companies have vehemently denied knowledge of and participation in PRISM, and have rejected allegations that the US government is able to directly tap into their users' data.

    Both the companies and the government insist that data is only collected with court approval and for specific targets. As The Washington Post reported, PRISM is said to merely be a streamlined system — varying between companies — that allows them to expedite court-approved data collection requests. Because there are few technical details about how PRISM operates, and because of the fact that the FISA court operates in secret, critics are concerned about the extent of the program and whether it violates the constitutional rights of US citizens.

    https://www.theverge.com/2013/7/17/4...ce-cheat-sheet

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    Exactly. Yeah, and where are Apple made?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    This is like Bill Cosby warning everyone about the dangers of having your drink spiked...
    But he gives it credibility.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    where are Apple made?
    Foxconn




    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    What the hell is PRISM? PRISM is a tool used by the US National Security Agency (NSA) to collect private electronic data belonging to users of major internet services like Gmail, Facebook, Outlook, and others. It’s the latest evolution of the US government’s post-9/11 electronic surveillance efforts, which began under President Bush with the Patriot Act, and expanded to include the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) enacted in 2006 and 2007.
    PRISM is just one of their tools...




    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/PoindyEar.html


    It's said that funding for the Information Awareness Office/TIA was ended in 2004, but who really knows. DARPA has removed(or moved) all links to it on their website.

    Total/Terrorism Information Awareness (TIA): Is It Truly Dead?
    https://web.archive.org/web/20090325...3_comments.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    SKkin, sorry i was being ironic, its all chinese but its laughable the US cos quote quality control et al but are they involved hands on nah - the biggest intelligence / cyber threat is comms based and the NATO allies have contracted it out to their biggest opponent because its cheaper - you can't make it up - its like getting the chinxs to tender for and win the manufacture of the F35

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    its like getting the chinxs to tender for and win the manufacture of the F35
    If we're lucky the Chinese will try to copy that lead balloon...Of course Israel has probably already sold the tech to China.** Because Isreal is our really good friend.

    ** They've done so in the past...

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    I suppose ameristan can ask it's "friends" to bail them out, again and again and again........

    Some take on commitments and deliver.

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    Huawei banned from New Zealand's 5G mobile network over security concerns



    New Zealand's international spy agency has banned mobile company Spark from using Huawei equipment in its planned 5G upgrade, saying it posed a "significant network security risk".

    Key points:
    • Huawei had helped to build a 5G test site near New Zealand's Parliament
    • Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has pulled back somewhat from the former government's close relationship with China
    • The move could have economic implications for New Zealand as China is its largest trading partner


    The action follows a similar ban in Australia, where the Chinese telecommunications giant was blocked in August from rolling out Australia's 5G network due to security concerns.

    Spark says it is disappointed with the decision by New Zealand's Government Communications Security Bureau.
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    Our fingerprints never fade from the lives we touch

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    Link?

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    Spying on low end phone users.....what's the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Spying on low end phone users.....what's the point
    It's the infrastructure, not the phones.

    They'll be spying on everyone.

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    Wonder if Huawei are interfering with Androids functions then?

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/compan...-by-cia-2016-9

    Apple or Android. No matter what you use, theyv'e got you by the balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's the infrastructure, not the phones.

    They'll be spying on everyone.
    I was wondering how google maps knows how long traffic jams take to get through once, and then realised that they are simply monitoring all android phones all the time, and they know who is in a car, where, and what that car is doing. A giant computer ticking over collating everything to give you a useful nugget such as "this hold up will slow your journey by 12 minutes" because the last 1000 android users who went through it took 12 minutes.
    Originally Posted by bsnub "No wonder I drive a tesla"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    I was wondering how google maps knows how long traffic jams take to get through once, and then realised that they are simply monitoring all android phones all the time, and they know who is in a car, where, and what that car is doing. A giant computer ticking over collating everything to give you a useful nugget such as "this hold up will slow your journey by 12 minutes" because the last 1000 android users who went through it took 12 minutes.
    Yeah, I think the chinkies will be looking for slightly different stuff than GPS location data...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Link?
    Harry, the forum software corrupts the link so ...

    search for ABC huawei-banned-from-nz-5g-upgrade-over-security-risk/10563736

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    if ya don't want your shit stolen, don't put it within reach

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    Just drew a blank trying to get an old iPhone repaired.

    Respected and recommended repair shop says, don’t buy Apple or Samsung, buy Huawei or oppo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yeah, I think the chinkies will be looking for slightly different stuff than GPS location data...

    What? you mean like the same stuff the USA government agencies get direct from their creation Google? Wow the nerve of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Just drew a blank trying to get an old iPhone repaired.

    Respected and recommended repair shop says, don’t buy Apple or Samsung, buy Huawei or oppo.
    Bought oppo on the suggestion of their salesman.

    CRAP. Screen had dead spots within 12 months and 1 day ... warranty was for 12 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Spying on low end phone users.....what's the point
    Location, location, Location, of every cell phone/user every millisecond and allegedly even if turned off, by the user, the "system" turns "the very useful app", back on.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They'll be spying on everyone.
    I presume the "they" you refer to are the phone "operating system developers" and hence multinational. The location spying app ability is hard loaded by the phone OS.


    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I think


    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    if ya don't want your shit stolen, don't put it within reach
    Allegedly even if turned off, by the user, the "system" turns "the very useful app", back on.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    it's not the phones they're concerned about it's the higher end telecoms infrastructure hardware.

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    I did t ask, David, but I assume they don’t get so many repair requests, or they are easier to fix. Gullible me innit.��

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Location, location, Location, of every cell phone/user every millisecond and allegedly even if turned off, by the user, the "system" turns "the very useful app", back on.

    I presume the "they" you refer to are the phone "operating system developers" and hence multinational. The location spying app ability is hard loaded by the phone OS.
    This is not about the phones you idiot.

    Crikey you are a real muppet when it comes to reading posts before you start waffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    CRAP. Screen had dead spots within 12 months and 1 day ... warranty was for 12 months.
    How much was your purchased phone compared to the alternatives with the same features? Or what else was your alternate reason for an Oppo phone?

    I've just purchased a POCO F1 for THB 10,000. Alternates were priced at THB 30,000 to 40,000 for near identical features. At the time it was rated No. 6 in the world. It's now No. 12.

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