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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I was referring to the Internet. Sorry, I didn't realise I needed to elaborate.


    If you'd stop teaching them about Windoze updates, they'd still be stuck in XP dark ages...unable to connect to the interwebz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Jesus wept if China invaded Australia tomorrow, Obo would be posting that the Chinese had just liberated Australia from American aggression. My apologies Ameristani aggression.
    News Flash ~ Just in case you haven't noticed, the Chinese have already invaded Australia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    If you'd stop teaching them about Windoze updates, they'd still be stuck in XP dark ages...unable to connect to the interwebz.
    It's because of dicks who run XP or think they're being clever by not applying security updates that these chinky hackers can run amok.

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    Interesting take on the topic by a Canadian tech reviewer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Hitting the sherry a bit early today Sid.
    But remind me, what is it the Americans have always done?
    Nothing wrong with a liquid lunch.

    So are you trying to say that the US does not work or even found tech companies that they use for their devious insidious agenda? Really? I knew that harry is a brainless CNN bot, but I always credited you has having some smarts. Say it ain't so!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Nothing wrong with a liquid lunch.

    So are you trying to say that the US does not work or even found tech companies that they use for their devious insidious agenda? Really? I knew that harry is a brainless CNN bot, but I always credited you has having some smarts. Say it ain't so!
    So what you're saying is the Chinese are now doing that. ( You said they're only doing what the Americans have done.)
    So you admit they are spying with Huawei.
    Well in that case don't you think other countries should have the right to reject them or should they be obliged to accept the equipment despite the risks for fear of appearing racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's because of dicks who run XP or think they're being clever by not applying security updates that these chinky hackers can run amok.
    au contraire, it's because idiots keep patching their OS with new flaws, some implanted by mistakes or willingly by "Chinese spies", that we have all this

    Windows source code has been compromised for years, and idiots like Harry think we can be saved with a simple Windows Update

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Nothing wrong with a liquid lunch.

    So are you trying to say that the US does not work or even found tech companies that they use for their devious insidious agenda? Really? I knew that harry is a brainless CNN bot, but I always credited you has having some smarts. Say it ain't so!
    You're either illiterate or just terminally stupid.

    Again: The chinky government and chinky industry work together to steal intellectual property and rip off everything they can get their grubby chinky hands on.

    The US has things called Patent laws. If someone did that in the US they'd be facing a typically overblown gazillion dollar lawsuit.

    That's the main reason people should avoid the chinkies like the plague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    chinky government and chinky industry
    Same same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Same same.
    That's what they don't seem to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It mentioned that they'd
    In your usual, so polite style, eh?

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    like a bunch of girls at a BTS concert
    One wonders what a "BTS" concert is.

    Definitions on a postcard please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Again: The chinky government and chinky industry work together to steal intellectual property and rip off everything they can get their grubby chinky hands on.
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Same same
    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    That's what they don't seem to understand.
    You all seem to be under the illusion the western governments do not work for the benefit of western companies and vice versa. Unbelievable.

    But you may have not read another story.

    BT to reject Huawei 5G network bids

    By Angus McNeice | China Daily UK | Updated: 2018-12-06 01:01



    "British network provider BT has confirmed it will not consider bids from Chinese telecommunications company Huawei for 5G network contracts.

    The decision comes after UK security officials and those in other nations have placed increasing pressure on network providers to review their dealings with Chinese telecommunications companies.

    "Huawei have not been included in vendor selection for our 5G core," a BT spokesperson said. "Huawei remains an important equipment provider outside the core network, and a valued innovation partner."

    5G refers to the fifth generation of mobile networks which will be faster and have greater capacity than previous iterations. 5G rollout in the UK is rumored to begin in late 2019.

    Huawei said it will continue to collaborate with BT despite being left out of the 5G vendor process.

    "Huawei has been working with BT for almost 15 years," a Huawei spokesperson said. "Working together, we have already completed a number of successful 5G trials across different sites in London, and we will continue to work with BT in the 5G era."

    BT also confirmed that it is in the process of removing Huawei components from core parts of its 4G network, though it will keep less significant equipment supplied by the Chinese company.

    BT said the removal of hardware aligns with company policy to keep Huawei on the margins of its 4G infrastructure in the UK.
    On Monday, Alex Younger, the head of the UK Secret Intelligence Service - otherwise known as MI6 - said the government should question Huawei's involvement in Britain's 5G rollout.

    "We need to decide the extent to which we are going to be comfortable with Chinese ownership of these technologies and these platforms in an environment where some of our allies have taken quite a definite position," Younger said from an event in Scotland.

    Australia blocked Huawei and fellow Chinese telecoms company ZTE from providing 5G equipment in August and New Zealand banned Huawei in November.

    "This is an extremely disappointing result for consumers," a Huawei Australia spokesperson said. "Huawei is a world leader in 5G and has safely and securely delivered wireless technology in Australia for close to 15 years."

    Huawei has been effectively banned from the United States since 2012 when a congressional probe raised national security concerns.

    UK security officials voiced unease over Huawei's presence in UK network infrastructure in a July report.

    A month prior to the report, BT had announced a new partnership with Huawei to explore the development of 5G at BT's labs in Ipswich and other locations around the UK.

    Since 2012, Huawei has invested or procured 2 billion pounds ($2.55 billion) in the UK, where the company employs 1,500 people. In February, Huawei announced it planned to spend a further 3 billion pounds on British technology and services during the next five years.

    Huawei plays a key role in the "last mile" technology that delivers superfast broadband from the pavement to some 20 million homes across the UK.
    After setting up its first UK offices in 2003, Huawei clinched a supplier deal with BT in 2005, to roll out the latter's 21st Century Network data network program. Huawei later supplied components for BT's national rollout of fiber optic broadband.
    Huawei equipment was also used to build a 4G network in the UK launched by British mobile network operator EE in 2012. In 2006, BT pledged to not use Huawei equipment in parts of its core 4G network infrastructure, and this pledge was therefore undermined when the company acquired EE in 2016.

    "In 2016, following the acquisition of EE, we began a process to remove Huawei equipment from the core of our 3G and 4G networks," a BT spokesperson said. The completed removal of hardware is expected in 18 months time, BT said.

    BT and Huawei's relationship has been under the scrutiny of UK security services for some time. Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee launched an investigation into the two companies' dealings in 2012.

    In 2010 at the request of the UK government, Huawei established the Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre, or HCSEC, aimed at mitigating any perceived risks to critical national infrastructure. The HCSEC is monitored by a government oversight board that includes officials from the UK National Cyber Security Center.

    In July this year, the oversight board said it could provide "only limited assurance" that all risks to national security from Huawei's involvement in UK networks have been sufficiently mitigated.

    In response, a Huawei spokesman ceded there are "some areas for improvement" and said the company would "continue to actively improve our engineering processes and risk management systems".

    In April, the National Cyber Security Centre issued a separate warning to UK network companies concerning ZTE. It said that using ZTE equipment "would present risk to UK national security that could not be mitigated effectively or practicably"

    BT to reject Huawei 5G network bids - Chinadaily.com.cn

    I'm sure all these concerned agencies will supply objective and transparent risk analysis reports outlining all the "concerns" they might have on each and every one of the possible suppliers.
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    Well done. Chuck those chinky spies off the procurement list.

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    what I don't understand is we knew that from the beginning, so why did BT and other Europeans TELCOs bothered buying equipment from them, just because they were dirt cheap

    anyway doesn't matter, because Chinese are implanting "compromised" chips on European manufacturer equipment, so the spying will continue no matter what

    You think your Apple iPhones doesn't have compromised chips when 99% of the parts are sourced in China and assembled there?

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    And it's the law that privately owned enterprises assist the chinkies in their spying endeavours.

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    ^^ I shudder to think of some of the porn they would find on your phone. They probably had to manufacture special filters to protect the local evaluators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    anyway doesn't matter, because Chinese are implanting "compromised" chips on European manufacturer equipment,
    Not according to the GCHQ NCSC, their concerns are, multiple programmer teams and older source code. No mention of dodgy chips at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well done. Chuck those chinky spies off the procurement list.
    From the Canada thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post


    Huawei officials accept British intelligence demands


    "Embattled Chinese telecoms giant Huawei has agreed to British intelligence demands over its equipment and software as it seeks to be part of the country’s 5G network plans, the FT reported Friday.

    Huawei executives met senior officials from Britain’s National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC), where they accepted a range of technical requirements to ease security fears, according to the FT’s sources.

    The NCSC said in a statement that it was “committed to the security of UK networks, and we have a regular dialogue with Huawei about the criteria expected of their products.

    “The NCSC has concerns around a range of technical issues and has set out improvements the company must make,” it said.

    The Chinese telecoms provider has come under scrutiny over the last few weeks, with one of its executives arrested in Canada last Friday on a US extradition request, raising fears of an escalation in the trade war between China and the US.

    Beijing called the arrest of chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou a “despicable rogue’s approach” and part of a campaign to stymie China’s high-tech ambitions.

    Over the summer, Australia barred Huawei from providing 5G technology for wireless networks over espionage fears.
    New Zealand followed suit in November but said the issue was a technological one.
    Britain’s largest mobile provider has also joined the global ban.

    On Wednesday, BT announced it was removing Huawei’s telecommunications equipment from its 4G cellular network, following a warning from the head of the MI6 foreign intelligence service that singled out the Chinese company as a potential security risk.

    But Robert Hannigan, former head of the GCHQ intelligence agency that deals with cyber-security, on Friday warned of “hysteria” over Chinese technology.

    “My worry is there is sort of a hysteria growing… we need a calmer approach,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
    British intelligence agencies have not “reported a backdoor or malicious intervention” by Huawei, and any official criticisms so far are of “incompetence rather than malice,” he added."

    Huawei officials accept British intelligence demands | Ebru TV Kenya

    Different title and slant but more details and dates of the specific NCSC requests/meetings from the Irish Times (reprint from the FT):


    Huawei caves in to UK’s security demands

    China’s tech giant agrees to address serious risks found in its equipment and software

    "Huawei has caved in to demands by UK security officials to address serious risks found in its equipment and software in an attempt to avoid being shut out from future 5G telecoms networks.

    At a meeting this week between Huawei executives and senior officials from GCHQ’s National Cyber Security Centre, the Chinese telecoms provider agreed to a series of technical demands which will change its practices in the UK, according to two people with knowledge of the discussions.

    Huawei has also agreed to write a formal letter to the NCSC outlining the company’s agreement to urgently address the issues, first raised in a critical report in July by an oversight board which monitors the testing of the company’s kit before approving it for use in UK networks.

    The move comes after the US government stepped up efforts to persuade western allies to shun the world’s biggest telecoms provider when upgrading services to new, fifth-generation technologies, amid fears over cyber espionage.
    Senior UK security officials have repeatedly stressed that their concerns are related to technical deficiencies and not the company’s Chinese origins.

    But the arrest on US sanctions-busting charges of Meng Wanzhou, the daughter of Ren Zhengfei, founder and chief executive of the Chinese telecoms group, last weekend has only raised the international pressure on the UK to take a tougher line.

    The commitment by Huawei to appease the UK’s concerns reflects the need for the Chinese group to tackle concerns where it can amid intense scrutiny of its business by western security organisations. It also represents a major coup for the government as it would require a significant shift in Huawei’s business practices.

    Western security chiefs have been unusually vocal in recent days to highlight concerns over Chinese technology groups. Alex Younger, head of MI6, the British intelligence service, said the UK faced a tough decision over whether to allow Huawei to supply technology for its 5G network.

    Huawei has been slow to react to the concerns raised in the July report that highlighted “shortcomings” in the Chinese telecoms equipment provider’s engineering processes that exposed British telecoms networks to risks. It also identified long-term challenges in mitigation and management of those risks.

    The issues raised include the use of out of date open source software developed by third parties that remained in the code used in some of Britain’s networks. Old software can be vulnerable to cyber attacks.

    A wider issue relates to the way that Huawei develops code and equipment, according to multiple people that have used the Chinese company’s kit. Huawei distributes the development of its equipment across multiple teams to speed up the process and reduce the chances of technology being stolen.

    That system has served Huawei well as it has grown but has become an issue for governments looking for clearer lines of accountability when auditing equipment.

    John Delaney, an analyst with IDC, said that Huawei appears to have responded to the pressure.

    “It [HUAWEI]is now the incumbent in the UK and it clearly wants to stay there,” he said. “It makes sense for them to at least pay lip service or to put in place tangible procedures to appease those concerns. They won’t want the contagion to spread to other countries.”

    Huawei said that the oversight board report “identified some areas for improvement in our engineering processes. We are grateful for this feedback and committed to addressing these issues. Cyber security remains Huawei’s top priority, and we will continue to actively improve our engineering processes and risk management systems”. The NCSC declined to comment. - Financial Times"


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ands-1.3723549

    Another unfounded spying/backdoor/dodgy hardware story which appears to be easily recoverable.

    Even the ex-head of GCHQ was exacerbated, "But Robert Hannigan, former head of the GCHQ intelligence agency that deals with cyber-security, on Friday warned of “hysteria” over Chinese technology."

    One wonders why the NCSC did not have the meeting or were not forthcoming with these "concerns" and published the companies acceptance prior to the announcement of Huawei being dumped from BT's tender list.

    In my experience it's common in software design to assign a number of programmers or teams to write modules of a complete programmes.
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    And it's the law that privately owned enterprises assist the chinkies in their spying endeavours.
    Link please.
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    Even the ex-head of GCHQ was exacerbated
    I've told you before, don't use big words unless you've looked them up in the dictionary first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Link please.
    I told you in the other thread. National Intelligence Law, Article 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post





    Link please.

    Huawei is a private company. However there are fears it and other Chinese manufacturers can be compelled by the Chinese security services to help with intelligence gathering. The national intelligence law passed this year requires all organisations and citizens to assist the country’s spy agencies
    Note the last 5 words.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...se-phone-maker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Huawei is a private company. However there are fears it and other Chinese manufacturers can be compelled by the Chinese security services to help with intelligence gathering. The national intelligence law passed this year requires all organisations and citizens to assist the country’s spy agencies
    So no different from Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Google etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    So no different from Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Google etc?
    Oh, is it the law that those companies can be compelled to assist the U.S. spy agencies?
    Link please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Huawei is a private company. However there are fears it and other Chinese manufacturers can be compelled by the Chinese security services to help with intelligence gathering. The national intelligence law passed this year requires all organisations and citizens to assist the country’s spy agencies
    Note the last 5 words.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...se-phone-maker
    Bad link or misdirection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I've told you before, don't use big words unless you've looked them up in the dictionary first.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Even the ex-head of GCHQ was exacerbated, "But Robert Hannigan, former head of the GCHQ intelligence agency that deals with cyber-security, on Friday warned of “hysteria” over Chinese technology."
    "exacerbate verb [ T ]
    uk /ɪɡˈzęs.ə.beɪt/ us /ɪɡˈzęs.ɚ.beɪt/
    to make something that is already badevenworse:

    This attack will exacerbate the already tense relations between the two communities."

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...ish/exacerbate

    Possibly the use of an English dictionary site may help your understanding of a simple English sentence.I await the TD "resident English academic" to pronounce sentence or to dismiss the accusation and the award of appropriate damages .

    An apology or a sneer is in order.

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    It seems that there is a difference.

    The US companies are private companies that make huge profits then they align themselves with government through revolving doors, senate corruption, etc, so that they have advantage in the marketplace; cronyism. There's also government/military contracts that align US companies directly with US research/government/defence needs.

    The Chinese companies were set up by the Chinese leadership elite (with a thin veneer of 'private corporation') to profit themselves and their ideological goals from the start. Government research/defence/other needs are always paramount with the Chinese corporations because they were set up to be so from the start.

    There are certainly similarities, but there are differences too. We are talking about a communist state here. On the other side, we are talking about a capitalist country with cronyism that makes it resemble a communist state at times.
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