US warning allies to ditch Huawei, Chinese "spying" equipment

**Dragonfly** · 25-05-2019, 06:57 PM

indeed, Trump said he will put them back if it's part of a deal

ridiculous, it's all about economic dominance, which is the new espionage jurisdiction since they have fuck all to do now since the fall of the Berlin Wall

how do we all miss the cold war

**harrybarracuda** · 25-05-2019, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by lom

^

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/24/t...ban/index.html

You don't bargain if it is about espionage, right?

It's a bit vague, isn't it?

"Huawei is something that's very dangerous" from a security standpoint, Trump told reporters Thursday.

But then he floated the idea of using the Chinese tech firm as leverage in the ongoing trade negotiations with China.
"It's possible that Huawei even would be included in some kind of trade deal," Trump said. "If we made a deal, I can imagine Huawei being included in some form of, some part of a trade deal."

Maybe he means they can still sell headphones.

**Cujo** · 26-05-2019, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's a bit vague, isn't it?

Maybe he means they can still sell headphones.

Maybe he's just a fucking idiot who makes it up as he goes along.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-05-2019, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Maybe he's just a fucking idiot who makes it up as he goes along.

That too.

**Klondyke** · 30-05-2019, 01:05 PM

FedEx apologizes to Huawei for ‘mis-routing’ its packages to US ‘in error’
Published time: 28 May, 2019 17:12

American logistics giant FedEx has apologized to Chinese tech firm Huawei after several of their packages were re-routed to the United States, where authorities are waging a broad campaign against the company.

Huawei spokesman Joe Kelly said that the diverted packages contained “important commercial documents,” and that the incident had “undermined their confidence” in the US-based shipping company. Two packages containing “urgent documents” sent from Japan ended up being sent to the US, while Huawei’s shipping agent blocked two more from Vietnam, which FedEx had also attempted to re-route.

Read more
https://www.rt.com/news/460485-fedex-apologizes-to-huawei

**Dragonfly** · 30-05-2019, 02:02 PM

jesus, the CIA is everywhere, like the KGB used to be

opening mail packages, spying on citizens, engaging in propaganda wars

**harrybarracuda** · 30-05-2019, 05:18 PM

"Hongmeng".

Might as well call it "hongnam".

The latest move in the EU came after Huawei was granted a trademark "Hongmeng" for its OS by the Chinese National Intellectual Property Administration's trademark office on May 14. Richard Yu Chengdong, head of Huawei's consumer business, has also said that the company was aiming to launch its own OS as soon as this fall.

Huawei moves forward with proprietary OS - Global Times

**Hugh Cow** · 31-05-2019, 12:06 PM

While everyone has taken yet another opportunity to sink the boot into the U.S.A. over Huawei maybe they should have looked at where it all started first. Not in the USA but Australia.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...-usa-campaign/

**Klondyke** · 31-05-2019, 01:40 PM

Can the 5G discover anything more what the Google, FB et Cie. have not known?

**SKkin** · 31-05-2019, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

they should have looked at where it all started first. Not in the USA but Australia.

**PlanK** · 31-05-2019, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Can the 5G discover anything more what the Google, FB et Cie. have not known?

People sign up voluntarily to give their data to those services to 'improve their online experience'
The difference is China has made a law to enforce its native companies to spy on other companies/states IP and personal data for the benefit of the state.
The FAANG companies are blatantly doing it to make money. You do though get to choose whether you give them your business. What they do with the data is a different thing entirely. Personally I would not trust them, that's why I have all sorts of script/ad/tracker/fb blockers installed. With China, you don't get a choice. It's hard-coded in their law. Say what you will about the evils of Western internet control, you still get room to maneuver (that's a hard word to spell, thank fork I have a dictionary installed in my browser).

**Norton** · 31-05-2019, 07:09 PM

If 5g has the potential to do all the things claimed then I lean toward Huawei's argument they are being targeted because they lead the pack in 5g development. Better faster cheaper sort of thing. Trump's reasons for punishing Huawei is as simple as he is. Restrain Huawei and give US companies time to catch up.

The notion that "western" nations would not misuse 5g technology is frankly a misplaced notion given history. Let us not forget the US Patriot Act which is still going strong. 5g will be a powerful tool to put in the hands of those dedicated "patriots" conducting Patriot Act operations.

**PlanK** · 31-05-2019, 07:18 PM

It could be as simple as trade wars.
But Huawai suspicions have been rumbling through the government-connected IT community for at least five years now, maybe more. It's only now that it has come out in public.
This is not a new thing to people in the industry, just a new thing to the media.

**Norton** · 31-05-2019, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Plan B

Huawai suspicions have been rumbling through the government-connected IT community for at least five years now, maybe more

Been ages since I was involved in IT. Any specifics re suspicions within the industry?

**PlanK** · 31-05-2019, 08:07 PM

^
Absolutely zero specifics, as I said, rumblings...
Been spy jokes in local tech community about having Huawai phone & 2degrees (local cellphone network partially owned by Huawei) for many years before 5G brought these issues to a head. Since prolly around 2011.

Local tech community being a mix of government/private corporations/defense/telco contractors.

**Norton** · 31-05-2019, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Plan B

Absolutely zero specifics, as I said, rumblings...

Well let's get on the ball. Steal their stuff, reverse engineer it and sell it to Russia.

**PlanK** · 31-05-2019, 08:32 PM

^
Why not?

China has been stealing/copying Russian weapons/aircraft for many years. Maybe they feel like they have to give a little something back?

**Norton** · 31-05-2019, 08:54 PM

A bit of recent history which applies to OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/19/u...icy-shift.html

**OhOh** · 01-06-2019, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Plan B

China has been stealing/copying Russian weapons/aircraft for many years. Maybe they feel like they have to give a little something back?

One could suggest Russia allowed the embedment of Russian technology into China, in the past, to cement relationships between the two.

Unlike the western interpretation who explode and sulk if they lose 10 satang on a deal. Some can appreciate an upfront loss when expanding into a virgin, immature but potentially enormous market. Once adopted the relationship and profits increase tenfold.

Their relationship today suggests they are both pretty happy with their previous decisions.

As opposed to western leaders whose historic and recent records illustrate one after another tragic mistakes.

**OhOh** · 02-06-2019, 06:10 PM

AS a scout leader once said: "Be prpared"

**Looper** · 02-06-2019, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

One could suggest Russia allowed the embedment of Russian technology into China, in the past, to cement relationships between the two.

You live in a fantasy world ohoh.

The Chinese and Ruskies have sweet fuk all in common apart from previously sharing a now dead ideology.

They share no culture or history.

They would stab each other in the back in the blink of an eye if the situation favoured it.

The anglo-western alliance on the other hand is based on shared values which is in turn based on a shared history. It is a true alliance and a friendship that can be relied upon and which will easily weather the headwinds of pantomime acts like Trump and Brexit.

**OhOh** · 03-06-2019, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Looper

You live in a fantasy world ohoh.

Possibly so. I suspect many who chose to live in a foreign country had a fantasy and some found it and continue to live it. Others may regret their decision, I, currently, don't.

A return to my previous lifestyle in not on my agenda. Is it on yours?

Originally Posted by Looper

The Chinese and Ruskies have sweet fuk all in common apart from previously sharing a now dead ideology.

They share no culture or history.

I would suggest their current peaceful win/win relationship is much envied by others who appear not to enjoy such political, financial and social interaction themselves.

I would also suggest that over the millennia they have many shared interactions. For good or bad. Similar to most Europeans have experienced. You know wars, alliances, disputes, pacts during their during the rise from mud huts.

ameristan with it's 100 years or so of "history" does not have anything like either the European or Asian ability to refer and learn from past history.

Originally Posted by Looper

They would stab each other in the back in the blink of an eye if the situation favoured it.

By tying one's future in many political, financial and social agreements both countries illustrate how countries may live in peace. Not showing up it seems in your western fantasy very often. Quite the opposite, falling living standards for the masses - earnings versus real inflation/opportunities/fear and uncertainty in political, financial and social institutions ....

Originally Posted by Looper

The anglo-western alliance on the other hand is based on shared values which is in turn based on a shared history. It is a true alliance and a friendship that can be relied upon and which will easily weather the headwinds of pantomime acts like Trump and Brexit.

The European history is littered with genocides, failed military, failed political and financial "alliances".

Some have enabled the bloc to achieve great things.

Currently dispute after dispute are open wounds across the bloc. I don't see much cohesive efforts, just the opposite. Maybe you can educate me on successes achieved in just the 21st century.

Since the death of the previous British empire, ameristan has achieved it's position due to it's financial and military strength. Not that that was any different, from the prior European Empires.

Not win/win. Certainly not inclusive partnerships. Care to share your list of international "partnerships" which haven't favoured one unexceptional country over it's alleged "partners/vassals"?

After only 80 - 90 years, far shorter than previous empires, ameristan is struggling to maintain it's control. Possibly a meeting would be helpful with the leader of House of Windsor, they seem to have held it together for a century or so.

To suggest the current white house incumbent is dissimilar to the previous occupants is imbecilic. To suggest Brexit is different to previous European disputes equally so.

They are both examples of leadership and political differences littered throughout world history.

But as you suggest I live in a fantasy world or potential opportunities and possible negative or positive outcomes, all of which are covered by myself, if they occur to me personally.

As I hope you have allowed for in your own, fantasy/plans for the future.

**OhOh** · 03-06-2019, 06:53 PM

China to enter world of 5G with commercial licenses

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"China will soon issue licenses for the commercialization of 5G, as the country has already established a competitive advantage in the superfast wireless technology, the country's top industry regulator said on Monday.

The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology said 5G is entering a critical period of commercial deployment globally and China's 5G industry has established a competitive advantage through a combination of innovation and open cooperation.

Many foreign companies, including Nokia, Ericsson, Qualcomm and Intel, have participated in China's technical 5G tests. These foreign companies have already particiapted in three phases of tests organized by China to get their 5G products and solutions ready for commerical use in the country.

"With joint efforts of all parties, China has built a foundation for commercialization of 5G," the ministry said, adding it will issue commercial 5G licenses in the near future, a clear sign China will soon officially enter the first year of 5G.

"As always, we welcome domestic and foreign enterprises to actively participate in China's 5G network construction and effort to promote application of the technology, and jointly share 5G development opportunities," the ministry added.

China's big three telecom carriers are forecast to spend 900 billion to 1.5 trillion yuan ($134 billion to $223 billion) in total on 5G network construction from 2020 to 2025, according to a report from the China Academy of Information and Communications Technology. In comparison, Chinese telecom operators spent 720 billion yuan on 4G network construction from 2014 to 2018.

Specifically in 2019, expenditure on 5G-related infrastructure by the country's big three telecom operators — China Mobile, China Telecom, and China Unicom — is expected to reach 34.2 billion yuan. China Mobile plans to build 30,000 to 50,000 5G base stations this year, while China Telecom is looking to have 20,000."

China to enter world of 5G with commercial licenses - Chinadaily.com.cn

**Hugh Cow** · 04-06-2019, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

"Hongmeng".

Might as well call it "hongnam".

Huawei moves forward with proprietary OS - Global Times

Ask Microsoft how well that went with windows phone OS.

**Hugh Cow** · 04-06-2019, 11:45 AM

OMO "As always, we welcome domestic and foreign enterprises to actively participate in China's 5G network construction and effort to promote application of the technology, and jointly share 5G development opportunities," the ministry added.

Err......Not quit so welcoming for an ex Tianenmem square demonstrator into Hong Kong. What was that again? One country two systems?

OMO. "Still making Chinese propaganda whiter than white since 2010".

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