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    Trump: U.S. to withdraw from arms treaty with Russia

    President Donald Trump confirmed Saturday that the U.S. would be abandoning a Cold War-era arms treaty, arguing that Russia has defied the terms of the decades-old agreement.


    "They have been violating it for many years," Trump said after a rally in Elko, Nevada, according to a White House readout, referring to the Kremlin's cooperation with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty.

    "We're not going to let them violate a nuclear agreement and go out and do weapons and we're not allowed to," Trump said.





    Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev brokered the pact in 1987 to halt the proliferation of nuclear and conventional missiles.


    “We’ll have to develop those weapons," Trump said, adding: “We’re going to terminate the agreement and we’re going to pull out."


    White House National Security Adviser John Bolton, who departed this weekend for a trip to Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia, was scheduled to meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Moscow on Saturday.


    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ithdraw-920043

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    US leaving the INF will put nuclear non-proliferation at risk & may lead to ‘complete chaos’ – Moscow

    If the US ditches the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF), it could collapse the entire nuclear non-proliferation system, and bring nuclear war even closer, Russian officials warn.


    By ending the INF, Washington risks creating a domino effect which could endanger other landmark deals like the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) and collapse the existing non-proliferation mechanism as we know it, senior lawmaker Konstantin Kosachev said on Sunday.


    The current iteration of the START treaty, which limits the deployment of all types of nuclear weapons, is due to expire in 2021. Kosachev, who chairs the Parliament’s Upper House Foreign Affairs Committee, warned that such an outcome pits mankind against “complete chaos in terms of nuclear weapons.”


    His remarks came after US President Donald Trump announced his intentions to “terminate” the INF, citing alleged violations of the deal by Russia and China.

    Moscow has repeatedly denied undermining the treaty, pointing out that Trump has failed to produce any evidence of violations. Moreover, Russian officials insist that the deployment of US-made Mk 41 ground-based universal launching systems in Europe actually violates the agreement since the launchers are capable of firing mid-range cruise missiles.


    Leonid Slutsky, who leads the Foreign Affairs Committee in parliament’s lower chamber, argued that Trump’s words are akin to placing “a huge mine under the whole disarmament process on the planet.”


    The INF Treaty was signed in 1987 by then-President Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. The deal effectively bans the parties from having and developing short- and mid-range missiles of all types. According to the provisions, the US was obliged to destroy Pershing I and II ballistic missiles and BGM-109G Gryphon ground-launched cruise missiles. Moscow, meanwhile, pledged to remove the SS-20 and several other types of missiles from its nuclear arsenal.


    By scrapping the historic accord, Washington is trying to fulfill its “dream of a unipolar world,”a source within the Russian Foreign Ministry said.


    “This decision fits into the US policy of ditching the international agreements which impose equal obligations on it and its partners, and render the ‘exceptionalism’ concept vulnerable.”


    Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov denounced Trump’s threats as “blackmail” and said that Washington wants to dismantle the INF because it views the deal as a “problem” on its course for “total domination” in the military sphere.


    By scrapping the historic accord, Washington is trying to fulfill its “dream of a unipolar world,”a source within the Russian Foreign Ministry said.


    “This decision fits into the US policy of ditching the international agreements which impose equal obligations on it and its partners, and render the ‘exceptionalism’ concept vulnerable.”


    Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov denounced Trump’s threats as “blackmail” and said that Washington wants to dismantle the INF because it views the deal as a “problem” on its course for “total domination” in the military sphere.


    The issue of nuclear arms treaties is too vital for national and global security to rush into hastily-made “emotional” decisions, the official explained. Russia is expecting to hear more on the US’ plans from Trump’s top security adviser, John Bolton, who is set to hold talks in Moscow tomorrow.


    President Trump has been open about unilaterally pulling the US out of various international agreements if he deems them to be damaging to national interests. Earlier this year, Washington withdrew from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on the Iranian nuclear program. All other signatories to the landmark agreement, including Russia, China, and the EU, decided to stick to the deal, while blasting Trump for leaving.



    https://www.rt.com/news/441854-russi...ces-trump-inf/

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Trump announced his intentions to “terminate” the INF, citing alleged violations of the deal by Russia and China.
    China, WTF has it got to do with China?

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The INF Treaty was signed in 1987 by then-President Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. The deal effectively bans the parties from having and developing short- and mid-range missiles of all types.
    Not a wiff of Peking Duck.

    The INF Treaty includes all Ground launched Ballistic and Ground launched Cruise Missiles, owned and operated under the control of Russia and ameristan. Which as ameristan controls NATO, includes all NATO countries.

    https://www.state.gov/t/avc/trty/102360.htm
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    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    awesome, China and Russia can finally make more WoMD, and own the fuck of the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    WTF has it got to do with China?
    Nothing but 45 oft makes ignorant statements.

    If the fool is worried about China cheating he will have to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty or NPT which China and several other nations are part of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Nothing but 45 oft makes ignorant statements.
    Daily. My guess is his team were talking about the INF Treaty and the NPT was mentioned and Trump has got them muddled in his peabrain.

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    Wondering, how all of such military decisions are made in Oral Office and the thousands of generals in Pentagon are eagerly awaiting those directives (perhaps by tube post?).

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    It appears than Germany would like China to be Included into any discussions.

    "MUNICH, Feb 16 (Reuters) - China rejected on Saturday German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s appeal to join a Cold War-era arms control treaty that the United States accuses Russia of breaching, saying it would place unfair limits on the Chinese military.

    Fearing a nuclear arms race between China, Russia and the United States after the collapse of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty, which the United States is withdrawing from, Merkel made her call for a global treaty.


    “Disarmament is something that concerns us all and we would of course be glad if such talks were held not just between the United States, Europe and Russia but also with China,” Merkel told the Munich Security Conference.


    Russia and the United States are the signatories to the 1987 INF treaty that bans land-based missiles with a range between 500 kilometres and 5,500 kilometres (300-3,400 miles) and which U.S. President Donald Trump started the six-month withdrawal from this month, blaming Russian violations.


    Moscow denies any wrongdoing, but the United States and its NATO allies want Russia to destroy its 9M729 nuclear-capable cruise missile system, which Washington says could allow Russia to strike Europe with almost no warning.


    Merkel’s suggestion of involving China in a negotiation is seen by European NATO diplomats as a potential way out of the impasse because a new treaty could address American concerns about a growing military threat from China and Russia.


    But China’s top diplomat Yang Jiechi, who spoke on a panel in Munich, said that Chinese missiles were defensive.


    “China develops its capabilities strictly according to its defensive needs and doesn’t pose a threat to anybody else. So we are opposed to the multilateralisation of the INF,” he said.

    China’s stated ambition is to modernise its People’s Liberation Army by 2035, improve its air force and push into new technologies including very high speed cruise missiles and artificial intelligence.
    Its defence budget grew nearly six percent between 2017 and 2018, according to the London-based International Institute for Security Studies (IISS).


    Retired Chinese General Yao Yunzhu told delegates a new arms control agreement would only work if it included sea- and air-launched missiles, as well as land, because most of China’s military technology was ground-based and the country would not want to put itself at a disadvantage. "

    https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-security-china/china-rebuffs-germanys-call-for-u-s-missile-deal-with-russia-idUSL5N20B0L1




    However Japan indicates that they cannot be included, because It it's not and was never a signatory to the treaty, as China has previously pointed out to ameristan

    Aegis Ashore in Japan cannot be viewed as INF Treaty violation — Japanese top diplomat

    "TOKYO, February 20. /TASS/. The upcoming deployment of US-made Aegis Ashore air defense systems in Japan cannot be regarded as a violation of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, because Japan is not a signatory to it, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono said on Wednesday during parliamentary debates.

    "Our country is not a party to this treaty. Therefore, Japan has no obligations under it," he said.

    Japan’s Defense Minister Takeshi Iwaya told the parliament on February 8 that the Aegis Ashore systems which Japan plans to buy from United States are intended solely to intercept ballistic missiles and will not have the capacity to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on February 5 that the deployment of US-made Aegis Ashore systems in Japan will violate the INF Treaty. According to the minister, Aegis Ashore are formally deployed to launch counter-missiles, but at the same time the system can be used to fire land-based Tomahawk cruise missiles, which is a clear violation of the treaty.

    In December 2017, the Japanese government approved a decision to host two Aegis Ashore systems to protect the country from a North Korean missile threat. Tokyo will buy these US systems for $889 mln each. The Aegis Ashore systems are due to be deployed by 2023.

    On February 1, US President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Michael Pompeo said that Washington would suspend its liabilities under the INF Treaty starting February 2 and would quit it within six months if Russia did not come into compliance with the agreement. Russian President Vladimir Putin responded in kind, saying that Moscow would suspend the Cold War-era treaty. Moreover, he told the ministers not to initiate disarmament talks with Washington, underscoring that the United States should become "mature enough" for equal and meaningful dialogue.

    The INF, or the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces, Treaty was signed between the former Soviet Union and the United States on December 8, 1987 and entered into force on June 1, 1988. In 1992, following the collapse of the former Soviet Union, the treaty became multilateral with the former Soviet republics - Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine - as successors. The INF Treaty covered
    deployed and non-deployed ground-based short-range missiles (from 500 to 1,000 kilometers) and intermediate-range missiles (from 1,000 to 5,500 kilometers)
    .

    TASS: World - Aegis Ashore in Japan cannot be viewed as INF Treaty violation ? Japanese top diplomat



    "The INF Treaty eliminated all of two nations' land-based ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and missile launchers with ranges of 500–1,000 kilometers (310–620 mi) (short medium-range) and 1,000–5,500 km (620–3,420 mi) (intermediate-range). The treaty did not apply to air- or sea-launched missiles.[4][5] By May 1991, the nations had eliminated 2,692 missiles, followed by 10 years of on-site verification inspections.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interm..._Forces_Treaty

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    China, WTF has it got to do with China?



    Not a wiff of Peking Duck.

    The INF Treaty includes all Ground launched Ballistic and Ground launched Cruise Missiles, owned and operated under the control of Russia and ameristan. Which as ameristan controls NATO, includes all NATO countries.

    https://www.state.gov/t/avc/trty/102360.htm
    Russia are rather stupidly selling missiles to the chinkies.

    We all know how that is going to end.

    "Here is the Russian S-400. Amazingly, and purely by coincidence, we can now sell you the Huawei S-4000 but we didn't nick any of the ideas from Russia, honest".

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    Given the penumbra of national security that envelops the country’s nuclear weapons programs, authentic audits of the contracts of these companies are not available to the public. However, at least the major corporations profiting from nuclear weapons contracts can now be identified.

    In the area of nuclear delivery systems—bombers, missiles, and submarines—these include a series of familiar corporate names: Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, GenCorp Aerojet, Huntington Ingalls, and Lockheed Martin. In other areas like nuclear design and production, the names at the top of the list will be less well known: Babcock & Wilcox, Bechtel, Honeywell International, and URS Corporation. When it comes to nuclear weapons testing and maintenance, contractors include Aecom, Flour, Jacobs Engineering, and SAIC; missile targeting and guidance firms include Alliant Techsystems and Rockwell Collins.


    https://www.thenation.com/article/me...clear-arsenal/

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    Donald Trump rushing to sell Saudi Arabia nuclear technology


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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    Donald Trump rushing to sell Saudi Arabia nuclear technology
    Hasn't he promised to punish them "severely"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Here is the Russian S-400. Amazingly, and purely by coincidence, we can now sell you the Huawei S-4000
    It's all a question of timing. Will Russia have rolled out it's S-500 to it's priority customers, before Huawei produced it's S-400 clone.

    China maybe hot on nano spaced printed circuits but can they produce a ten prong vacuum tube valve like a:

    12SCH1L (12Ж1Л) Pentode, Transmitter Tube. A Russian radio tube. Item no. 17893, EAN no.





    or an E810F #12574

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, GenCorp Aerojet, Huntington Ingalls, and Lockheed Martin, Babcock & Wilcox, Bechtel, Honeywell International, and URS Corporation. Aecom, Flour, Jacobs Engineering, and SAIC; missile targeting and guidance firms include Alliant Techsystems and Rockwell Collins.
    No problems, China, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah have delivery slip details showing addresses and GPS co-ordinates of every site. What do you think their interns do working in the shipping departments at vacation time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Hasn't he promised to punish them "severely"?
    Only if Ivanka's face is visible in the home videos/movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    Donald Trump rushing to sell Saudi Arabia nuclear technology
    Against all advice and there are murmurings that a company linked to Jared will benefit, which wouldn't surprise me in the fucking least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Against all advice and there are murmurings that a company linked to Jared will benefit, which wouldn't surprise me in the fucking least.
    Comforting (and surprising) to read that once it wasn't the Vlad who will benefit from that...

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