Thread: Turkey says journalist was murdered in Saudi consulate

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Isn't it funny, such two cases in history within few months?
Skripals and Kashoggi? How the two cases are handled and promoted in 2 very different ways?

That's why the dangerous Mr. Putin said: "It depends on who is to blame"...

It looks like the mighty LORD (the real one) has helped it happened to show world the coarse approach.

Or did the "LORD" help from behind preparing the sutuation, we know he is good in "meddling"...

Latest is that some of Khashoggi's body parts have been found.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sourc...found-11533202


Sky sources: Jamal Khashoggi's body parts found

Sources have told Sky News the writer had been "cut up" and his face "disfigured".


Body parts belonging to murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi have been found, according to Sky sources.

Sources have told Sky News the writer had been "cut up" and his face "disfigured".

One source also suggested Mr Khashoggi's remains were discovered in the garden of the Saudi consul general's home.

It comes after Turkey's president said Mr Khashoggi's body had not been found and demanded Saudi officials reveal its whereabouts.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan said: "Why has the body of someone who was officially said to be killed not been found yet?"

I suppose being Muslims the embassy doesn't have roaming guard dogs loose at night.

Originally Posted by Neverna

the writer had been "cut up" and his face "disfigured".

If the ears are missing it will be difficult to identify as well.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I suppose being Muslims the embassy doesn't have roaming guard dogs loose at night.




If the ears are missing it will be difficult to identify as well.

They don't have the option of feeding it to pigs you see. They are great way of hiding bodies.

It's been said that goats will eat anything.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...r?srnd=premium

Very poorly conceived and carried out, even if it was in fact a questioning which got out of hand. They just made one stupid move after another.

^However, still not enough evidence like the strong one found recently in "highly likely" case. So please, do not draw a rush conclusion... (that would be difficult - and embarassing for us - to reverse)

Erdogan is taking orders from Qatar, so no-one gives a fuck what he says.

Meanwhile it will all blow over apart from occasional mentions on the anniversary and the like.

Putin has already shown with Litvinenko and the Skrpals that, if you're rich and powerful enough, you can basically bullshit your way out of anything.

Originally Posted by jabir

Remains to be seen what if any long term damage is done to the Saudi-West relationship, my guess is little to zero.

Yep. May be painful for awhile but like kidney stones and gonorrhea this too shall pass.

Interestingly the Saudis managed to bring the price of oil down substantially yesterday when they announced that they had all the west needed, despite previously stating a high output was unsustainable, I'm sure there was no pressure on them & the recent unpleasant events were never mentioned

Originally Posted by Norton

this too shall pass.

no doubt.

heads in riyadh will literally roll, but the US govt and various industries are too intertwined with the saudis to come undone over this.

and when you add the trump administration's reckless iran policy to the equation, there's no way that they cut off the saudis completely.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Putin has already shown with Litvinenko and the Skrpals that, if you're rich and powerful enough, you can basically bullshit your way out of anything.

"With his richness he shown us", that his some 100 diplomats were expelled, businesses sanctioned, some people business frozen,
no contact to his citizen in question and many more. How wonderful "bullshitting"...

With Litvinenko, after 12 years, still not much better.

But perhaps harry does know more what we do not..

Wondering whether the Saudis are "rich and powerful enough" to reach better results (and "severe punishment")...

Originally Posted by Airportwo

Interestingly the Saudis managed to bring the price of oil down substantially yesterday when they announced that they had all the west needed, despite previously stating a high output was unsustainable, I'm sure there was no pressure on them & the recent unpleasant events were never mentioned

When did they say high output was "unsustainable"?

Even back in July they were pumping like crazy because Venezuela and Iran are leaving a gap.

imagine if it was Russia and Putin involved, it would be on the UN security council debate floor already

but SA and the new prince, move along, nothing to see

Is a Saudi Caligula moment upon us?

In early AD 41, Caligula was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy by officers of the Praetorian Guard, senators, and courtiers. The conspirators' attempt to use the opportunity to restore the Roman Republic was thwarted, however. On the day of the assassination of Caligula, the Praetorians declared Caligula's uncle, , Claudius, the next Roman emperor.

Well MBS has certainly made a few enemies but I think they chopped up the wrong target.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it would be on the UN security council debate floor already

for that a fresh new sheriff in town would need first to be found...

I've been giving this some thought and I have come up with this idea/theory.

Turkey has 95 to 100% proof who did it and who ordered it including video or audio of MBS himself ordering the kill or mutilation/head chop off, etc.

Why do I think this? Turkey has been drip feeding information, leaking it bits at a time. At first the Saudis deny, deny, deny, then they squirm, then squirm some more, then they admit to something. Turkey can only do this if they have the information, or are cleverly putting bits together to force the Saudis into admitting something. The Turks have not blamed MBS directly. No, that would be too much too soon, playing their ace card too early. And I do think they have that ace card. That's why they are so confident and why they can play it this way. The way the Turks are doing it, the Saudis have the opportunity to tell the truth ... or lie. Each time they lie, they lose more credibility. But when they admit to something, they also lose credibility. So the Turks drag it out of them a bit at a time. The Saudi establishment will be in turmoil. Some Saudis have lost and some will lose their jobs, some will likely lose their heads. And when the Turks eventually play their ace card, MBS will fall, though perhaps not by the sword. In the end, a new Saudi crown prince will take the place of MBS and Turkey will get the credit for exposing the Saudis' nastiness. Perhaps the Turks hope or expect to gain more than that. I don't know. But that's my idea. It seems plausible. What do you think?

Originally Posted by Neverna

I've been giving this some thought and I have come up with this idea/theory.

Turkey has 95 to 100% proof who did it and who ordered it including video or audio of MBS himself ordering the kill or mutilation/head chop off, etc.

Why do I think this? Turkey has been drip feeding information, leaking it bits at a time. At first the Saudis deny, deny, deny, then they squirm, then squirm some more, then they admit to something. Turkey can only do this if they have the information, or are cleverly putting bits together to force the Saudis into admitting something. The Turks have not blamed MBS directly. No, that would be too much too soon, playing their ace card too early. And I do think they have that ace card. That's why they are so confident and why they can play it this way. The way the Turks are doing it, the Saudis have the opportunity to tell the truth ... or lie. Each time they lie, they lose more credibility. But when they admit to something, they also lose credibility. So the Turks drag it out of them a bit at a time. The Saudi establishment will be in turmoil. Some Saudis have lost and some will lose their jobs, some will likely lose their heads. And when the Turks eventually play their ace card, MBS will fall, though perhaps not by the sword. In the end, a new Saudi crown prince will take the place of MBS and Turkey will get the credit for exposing the Saudis' nastiness. Perhaps the Turks hope or expect to gain more than that. I don't know. But that's my idea. It seems plausible. What do you think?

No chance. But it seems they were bugging the consulate, and they probably did it at Qatar's behest, hence the audio they shouldn't have. Saudi will be fucking furious which is probably the idea.

The Al Thanis will be pissing themselves, and Erdogan will get a nice tickle for that.

Meanwhile, credit to the hackers who discovered a vulnerability in the "Davos in the Desert" website and "redecorated" it:

I feel sorry for the big guys, what they should declare now (they are terrible concerned with the well being their subjects, not to lose lucrative jobs):
Trudeau says Canada could freeze Saudi arms contract over Khashoggi killing, but it's 'very difficult'

Canada exported C$1.37 billion ($1.05 billion) worth of goods to Saudi Arabia last year, mostly tanks and other armored fighting vehicles and their parts, according to Statistics Canada. London, Ontario-based General Dynamics Land Systems, a unit of U.S.-based General Dynamics Corp., manufactures armored vehicles under a contract with Saudi Arabia signed by the Canadian government in 2014. The contract is worth up to $13 billion. A representative at the Canadian unit declined to comment on Trudeau’s remarks late Monday.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...very-difficult

The things are getting calm. On Drudgereport.com is no longer anything about Kashoggi.
Just small mentioning:

Saudi crown prince first speech since Khashoggi murder...
https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/saudi...er-doc-1a943n1

Originally Posted by Neverna

Perhaps the Turks hope or expect to gain more than that. I don't know. But that's my idea. It seems plausible. What do you think?

I've seen suggestions that Turkey want control over the two holy sites in Saudi.

If they can show the world the Saudis are unworthy they may attain the role.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I've seen suggestions that Turkey want control over the two holy sites in Saudi.

If they can show the world the Saudis are unworthy they may attain the role.

Don't be fucking silly now lad.