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    Who Will Need Suez?

    Maersk launches container ship on Arctic route

    World’s biggest carrier of seaborne freight experiments with alternative to Suez Canal


    https://www.ft.com/content/fb38b6ac-...f-a7ae1beff35b

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    Interesting link thank you

    Maersk is a leading playerI have worked with and know they are always at the cutting edge.
    While EU China route may be reduced there will still be massive use of Suez.
    All Trade from E Africa India Persian Gulf to the Med.


    Most of it is boxws, LPG and bilk minerals the port out startboard home crowd are ggone and cruises largely avoid Mid East for obvious reasons

    Boxes from Mumbai, Indonesia ASEAN etc and onwards to Salalah then trans shipped to RSA, KSA, EU New York, Boston, Newport News, Felixstowe and the major EU harbours Rotterdam Bremen Hamburg Barcelona Genoa Piraeus plus albeit failing Turkey.

    A brief glance at a globe with grand circle distances clarifies the economics.

    Of course climate change, piracy esp Horn of Africa Malacca Straits are also factors
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    They’re only sending one container ship as a test. Plus it would be summer only.

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    ^^Leading player they are.They are also arrogant arseholes.

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    OK, so Shanghai to Rotterdam is qucker to go the nothern route. I don't think Egypt will be too worried. Other major ports still need Suez.

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    An Isthmus of Kra canal will be a game changer, happy Isthmus.

    The company fully named A.P Moller Maersk it ships more than one in six of the boxes

    Also referred to as Maersk, or Maersk Line, the A.P. Moller–Maersk Group is a Danish business conglomerate and the world’s largest container shipping company. Boasting a global workforce of 35,600 employees across 574 offices, the behemothic carrier has an armada of vessels (773) which call on 343 ports worldwide. Founded in 1904, Maersk has a TEU capacity of 4.1 million (18.7% market share).

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    An Isthmus of Kra canal will be a game changer,
    Yes, but not for the limited Shanghai-Rotterdam route where 14 days is saved as opposed to 3 days through the Kra. And as Begbie pointed out, only in Northern winter.

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    Russia needs some ports along the top of the route, alongside their oil and gas fields and more Ice Breakers. It's very remote if anything goes wrong.

    But the Suez canal route is better for some as others have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    Leading player they are.They are also arrogant arseholes.
    We are the Maersk. We don't have to.

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    Was it the Suez Canal or the Panama Canal that was no longer wide enough for the new "supertankers" and such? I vaguely remember reading something along those lines several years back. Seems like there was some discussion about a widening project where ever it was...

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    The Panama canal was very recently upgraded. Want to buy a cheap good sized cargo ship? Panamax ships, designed to maximize transport through the canal go very cheap now.

    Super Tankers make the trip around Africa from the Gulf much cheaper than smaller ships going through the Suez Canal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Super Tankers make the trip around Africa from the Gulf much cheaper than smaller ships going through the Suez Canal.
    That's amazing if you thik about it. The long trip must be weeks longer.

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    I might be wrong but the Maersk container ships are more super than the tankers.
    Presently, they take more than 20,000 container units (20ft). An they are designed so that they fit through (very tightly) Suez.

    However, not always happens something like this:

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    Northern route climate-wise might make sense for LNG carriers. I been in the "real" navy. As a crew member I would prefer Suez route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    I might be wrong but the Maersk container ships are more super than the tankers.
    VLCC & ULCC (crude carriers) are larger than container ships, the bigger crude carriers don't go through the Suez, they use the pipeline to pump crude.
    Interesting that container ships are now up to 21,000 CTU, for many years 12,000 was the largest at sea due to the insurance required, each container used to have an average insurance value of $500,000, so nobody wanted to insurer a larger ship, believe Maersk and others get by this by being "self" insuring.
    Drilled a oil well some years back in the mouth of the Suez, in the middle of the shipping lane, had to keep 2 x supply boats stationed to stop tankers and drunken Captains from running over us.
    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    We are the Maersk. We don't have to.
    I worked for Maersk - drilling sector, not shipping for years, not a bad employer, shipping were renowned for not paying well - thus the arrogance

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    In the long run the push pull will alter.

    At present the Mid East fulcrum is essential while the relatively "cheap fuel " for carbon fuelled cars of Europe is in Iran The Gulf States and KSA.


    Oil and Gas may become viable from other sources which is highly price dependent, Alaska, Bakken, offshore etc.

    The Spratleys, Off E Africa, Brazil,Yemen and EU fracking if allowed

    Also whole energy field will be transformed with "unmeterable" electric for fuel cells/Dc once the stellerator/tokamak cn harness that plasma and apply it safely

    I imagine in the long term gas guzzlers will be replaced by lightweight self drive electric cars/drones but not in time to take me home for Sunday Roast.

    The container industry is a very good gauge of the world economy.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...68080X16300322

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/new-twist-...energy-1601744
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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    The container industry is a very good gauge of the world economy.
    Isn't that part of what the Baltic Dry Index tracks? It's well off its lows...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BDIY:IND


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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Also whole energy field will be transformed with "unmeterable" electric
    I remember words like those being used at the dawn of the Nuclear PP development era and when North Sea oil and gas was discovered.

    ^

    BDI rate reflects the price of shipping measured by the available fleet of ships. The fleet shrinks and expands, some suggest the fleet has shrunk making the rates rise
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    China has announced a ships maiden voyage.

    Chinese Arctic cargo ship sails from Arctic Circle to France

    Who Will Need Suez?-15318368473819317369-jpg

    The Tian'en cargo ship at the port of Lianyungang in east China's Jiangsu Province on August 4. [Photo: Xinhua]


    "Chinese cargo ship Tian'en has left the Arctic Circle near Norway and is making its way south to the port of Rouen in France. Tian'en is scheduled to follow the "Polar Silk Road" to reach its first destination in Europe on Wednesday.

    The ship will deliver China's wind power equipment to France, the Netherlands and Sweden.


    Tian'en departed from Lianyungang, Jiangsu Province on August 4 and embarked on its maiden voyage through the Arctic's Northeastern Passage, a waterway known as the "Polar Silk Road" which links Asia with Europe through the Western Pacific Ocean, the Bering Strait and the Arctic Ocean.


    China issued a whitepaper on its Arctic policies in January and pledged to further cooperate with other countries to jointly build the "Polar Silk Road" under the Belt and Road Initiative.

    The plan has been endorsed by government officials and scholars from Arctic countries such as Russia, Finland, Norway and Canada."


    Who Will Need Suez?-9178523637640989989-png

    A map showing the route of Tain'en beginning in China through the Arctic to Europe. [Screenshot: CCTV.com]

    Chinese Arctic cargo ship sails from Arctic Circle to France - People's Daily Online


    China's White Paper available here:

    Full text: China?s Arctic Policy


    The ship is currently 150km south of Stavanger, Norway, according to theMarineTraffic site.
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