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    Italy a new regime deport half a million closer to Putin rattles EU

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/19/italy-far-right-lega-five-star-immigrants

    Izzedin Elzir, imam of Florence and president of the
    Union of Islamic Communities of Italy, is worried. “Open, transparent mosques are an integral part of our urban, social and cultural fabric,” he told the Observer.

    But as
    Italy edges towards a new government featuring the far-right Lega, with its leader, Matteo Salvini, as interior minister, he knows there are almost certain to be tough days ahead.
    Lega has forged an alliance with the anti-establishment Five Star Movement after the
    two parties captured more than 50% of the vote between them in the elections on 4 March. That could herald an administration with the toughest line on immigrants in Italian postwar history.

    On Friday, Salvini and the
    Five Star leader, Luigi di Maio, unveiled a joint policy document containing plans to build more detention centres to accelerate the deportation of an estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants and review migrant rescue missions at sea after they arrive on Italy’s shores. The agreement also calls for a renegotiation of the Dublin refugee treaty, and for “unregistered” Roma camps to be shut down.


    As for the mosques, the document calls for imams to be registered with the state. Unauthorised mosques will face “immediate” closure while proposals for the construction of new ones and their funding will be scrutinised. “In regards to what they are saying about the rules,” said Elzir, “I suggest they respect our Italian constitution, which speaks about the very religious freedom that they are trying to limit.”


    The programme, which Lega and Five Star vow would bury traditional politics for good, was endorsed by 94% of M5S members in an online vote on Friday and is being put to Lega supporters across Italy before being submitted to the
    Italian president, Sergio Mattarella, on Monday.


    Migrants on the MV Aquarius, just off the Sicilian coastline, earlier this month. Photograph: Louisa Gouliamaki/AFP/Getty ImagesMattarella will have to ratify the joint programme, a prime minister and the cabinet lineup before a government can be sworn in. It will then face a confidence vote in both houses of parliament. On Saturday, there was still no agreement on who would lead the government. Various names have circulated in the press, among them Lega and Five Star politicians, economists and academics. The smart money is on Salvini becoming interior minister and Di Maio foreign minister.

    M5S is the larger party of the two but Salvini’s popularity has strengthened since the elections. Support for the party stands at around 25%, according to the most recent opinion polls, up from 17% in March. The 45-year-old pledged to put “Italians first” during the election campaign and in the midst of the alliance’s negotiations said a new administration would begin only if Lega was given free rein at cracking down on “the business” of illegal immigration. “If I go into government, I want to do what I promised to do,” Salvini said.
    In a Facebook video last week, Salvini told supporters he would rid the country of “delinquents” and dismantle the previous administration’s “€50bn [44bn] migration reception” policy.


    Di Maio, 31, was quieter on immigration during the election campaign, but with M5S still garnering around 32% in polls, voters seem to be indifferent towards the party teaming up with a political force that has not only exploited the migration crisis but is also one Di Maio previously insisted he would never ally the party with.
    Voters also appear unperturbed by the malice towards foreigners that emanated from Lega during the campaign, including a claim by Attilio Fontana, who was elected president of Lombardy, that the migrant influx threatened to wipe out “our white race”. In February, a far-right sympathiser injured six African migrants in a racially motivated
    shooting spree in Macerata. And as Di Maio and Salvini celebrated their respective election successes on the morning after the elections, Idy Diene, a Senegalese street vendor who had lived in Italy for more than two decades, died after being shot at six times as he sold his wares on Florence’s Vespucci bridge.
    His killer was Roberto Pirrone, a 65-year-old white Italian who told police he had planned to commit suicide. When he couldn’t pluck up the courage to kill himself, he said he shot the first random target. A racist motive was ruled out, prompting fury among the city’s Senegalese community. A further tragic twist revealed that Diene, 54, was the cousin of Samb Modou, who was killed by Gianluca Casseri, a supporter of the neo-fascist group CasaPound, when he opened fire in two of Florence’s central markets in December 2011. A second Senegalese man was killed and three others injured before Casseri turned the gun on himself.

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    “A friend called to tell me Idy had been killed,” said Mamadou Sall, president of Florence’s Senegalese association. “Straightaway I felt scared, then I remembered the words that came out during the election campaign about immigrants – that we’re thieves, criminals and take Italians’ jobs: violence starts with words.”
    Sall is an Italian citizen who has lived in the country for more than 20 years, the last 17 of which he has worked for a plastics company. “We contribute over €20bn a year to the state – if it wasn’t for immigrants, pensions wouldn’t be paid,” he said.
    The dream of an early retirement encouraged some of his colleagues to vote for Lega. The joint policy document includes a plan to revoke a 2011 pension reform that raises the retirement age. “They told me: ‘We’re not voting for the League because we’re racist, but because we’ll be able to retire early.’ They’ve been fooled. The proposed flat tax will also backfire – the poor will pay more and the rich will pay nothing.”
    Adnan Husein, a 28-year-old from Ghana who arrived in
    Italy by boat in 2016, said Diene’s murder had revived the same fears he felt at home. “They say they don’t want migrants, but over history so many Italians have migrated, especially to America, because they had to,” he added. “I understand that it wasn’t easy for them, either. Whether a person is white or black, we are all equal, all afraid and all trying to survive.”
    Imam Elzir concedes immigration has become a “true” problem for citizens over the past 20 years because of previous governments’ failure to manage it. “So I invite those in the new government to manage immigration, which means respecting the rules and showing solidarity. The electoral campaign is over – they now need to be more responsible instead of creating more fear in our society.”
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    Putin? Is that a typo, David? Or just click-bait? There is no mention of Putin in the article.

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    Nope it's worrying Yanks and Nato all over the ITI and foreign press, maybe not reader's wives

    Risultati elezioni in Russia 2018, Vladimir Putin ... - Corriere della Sera

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    Mar 18, 2018 - Vladimir Putin trionfa ed presidente della Russia per la quarta volta.


    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pre...tion-1.5870206

    http://thehill.com/opinion/internati...lian-elections

    Putin's party signs deal with Italy's far-right Lega Nord - Financial Times

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    Mar 6, 2017 - President Vladimir Putin's ruling party has signed a co-operation deal with ... Matteo Salvini, Lega Nord chairman



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    Italian govs don't often last longer than a good gobstopper, so anything can happen but this one is a loose canon in direct conflict with EU goals, in the immigration front line, and broke, so the longer it survives the more likely it will encourage a rebellion by other members.

    Can't afford to stay + can't afford to leave = problems that the EU appear incapable of resolving without serious reform.

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    Looks like Germany has had enough as well.
    Germany has announced plans to introduce asylum seeker holding centres across the country, to accelerate deportations of unsuccessful asylum applicants.The introduction of asylum seeker holding centres, where migrants would be sent to await deportation following an unsuccessful application for asylum, would significantly ameliorate Germany’s refugee process, the government has said.


    The move comes after German Chancellor Angela Merkel received criticism for her handling of the migrant crisis in 2015 and 2016. During that time, Germany was quick to welcome migrants and took steps to integrate them into local communities across the country.


    However, the policy proved unpopular and brewed tension between Germans and asylum seekers, leading to the rise of far right political groups such as Alternativ fr Deutschland, who took a strong anti-migrant stance. In response, Merkel is now attempting to reform Germany’s asylum system after narrowly securing victory in general elections late last year.


    How will the new policy work?
    According to The Guardian, the country will establish a number of so-called ‘anchor’ centres, which is a shortened form of ‘arrival, decision, return’, to hold large groups of people and the authorities ruling on their asylum claims in the same facility.


    This will accelerate the processing of claims, the German government has said, while also protecting local communities from potentially dangerous people during application process. However, charities and NGOs representing migrants and refugees have criticised the policy, warning that it will prevent integration and increase anti-migrant sentiment.


    What has Germany said about the policy?
    Germany’s interior minister, Horst Seehofer welcomed the policy as a tough measure against irregular migration, which would give the government more power to effectively deport unsuccessful asylum applicants. He suggested that local authorities should set up asylum seeker holding centres before the end of the year.


    He said: “We all know how difficult it is to deport people without protected status after they have been spread out across the country and put down roots in our cities and communities. In the future the end of an asylum application will coincide with the start of the deportation procedure.”
    https://www.governmenteuropa.eu/germ...centres/87643/

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    Sounds well considered, on paper, but that's usually good enough.

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    Not unexpected that there's a swing to the right really.

    And with Putin stirring the shit, even more so.

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    Germany has announced plans to introduce asylum seeker holding centres across the country, to accelerate deportations of unsuccessful asylum applicants.The introduction of asylum seeker holding centres, where migrants would be sent to await deportation following an unsuccessful application for asylum, would significantly ameliorate Germany’s refugee process, the government has said.
    It is a good idea but whether it ends up being successful and deemed as good will depend on how quickly the Germans can expedite the process. If it can all be done legally and quickly, great, but if the failed asylum seekers spend months or years there, it will be a failure and probably an expensive one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    It is a good idea but whether it ends up being successful and deemed as good will depend on how quickly the Germans can expedite the process. If it can all be done legally and quickly, great, but if the failed asylum seekers spend months or years there, it will be a failure and probably an expensive one.
    Better than the UK where they are routinely released and promptly disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Better than the UK where they are routinely released and promptly disappear.
    No, when they are refused asylum , they are deported . where they can lodge an appeal from their home Country , if they choose

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    In Uk many lied about many things inc age, wouldn't you trather than return to some 3rd world hellhole.

    Shave the children etc reflects this official stat

    I think its for the natives tand their lawmakers to decide how many failed asylum seekers to have, cannot imagine the Thais bailing them out for long.The camps around Mae Sodt are a sight for sore eyes

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...asylum#returns

    14. Age disputes

    Some asylum applicants claim to be children but there may be doubts as to whether this is in fact the case. In 2016, 918 asylum applicants had their age disputed and 908 age disputes resolved in the same period. Of those applicants whose age disputes were resolved in 2016, 67% were assessed to be over 18, despite claiming to be a child when initially applying for asylum.

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