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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    what's your point?

    that china and russia were for a nuclear-free korean peninsula before sk and trump were?

    well, if true: that's good.
    Try searching you may find evidence. Or look back through the older DPRK posts/threads here.

    Russia and China were advocating, for their own reasons, denuclearisation of the peninsular whilst goldilock's nuclear tipped armada was off the coast of DPRK and nuclear capable bombers in the air from Guam flying along the demarcation line.

    Whether Kim's desire to 'work towards' denuclearisation stops at the peninsular, has not yet been revealed, publicly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    but don't think they'd lie about wanting to get into nk to exploit business opportunities
    All businessmen and woman say what the customer wants to hear. Whether they deliver; what was discussed, promised, included in the signed legally binding contract or they suddenly find that, if they do deliver, they are now breaking a new domestic law introduced by a politician's diktat, that is the sign of an honourable businessman.
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    Boeing's, now cancelled billion dollar Iran deal a superb example, look it up. Airbus has been fucked due to the same diktat because they use some arbitrary % of ameristani produced components. This restriction has been there for years, but recently ameristan produces any number or illegal reasons to non-deliver legally agreed contractual products and services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    just like europe's been doing in iran, since sanctions were dropped.
    The Europeans have not lied, they signed contracts with Iran and were developing/investing their companies money in Iranian projects. Currently they are scrambling to organise a method to continue the projects. Unfortunately once again ameristan is using it's financial/military position and threatening further illegal sanctions if the Europeans to not "bend their knees" to their master.

    You surely understand now why companies and countries only buy ameristani products and services as a last resort.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    giving up your nukes and having the world community open up its arms to north korea, developing its country, economy, etc.
    Kim's got no interest in any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    giving up your nukes and having the world community open up its arms to north korea, developing its country, economy, etc.

    if china, s.k. and the u.s. can convince nk that the second choice can happen, then the impossible can become possible (nk gives up its nukes), IMO.
    Kim's got no interest in any of that.
    did kim tell you?

    ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    After all they sacrificed to get them why would they?
    He has achieved world leadership, he and his citizens have worked towards and delivered a reason, the only reason goldilocks came running. Not to do so would have shown all his vassal the emptiness of their ameristani "protection scam". The only business financially supporting the ameristani economy, by product/services sales and dollar sales.

    Now any country which acquires nuclear weapons from whatever source, domestic or foreign and deliverable to ameristan or one of it's favourite vassals land, can take the piss. The evil empire has folded, walked away from the table to face it's upcoming kneecapping creditors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    onto while starving
    DPRK's starvation days have finished they have an app to sell, sovereignty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    because he's thinking about what obama/hillary did to gadaffi after he had given up his wmd?
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    kaddafi being taken out after giving up his wmd does not equal "zero relevance".
    You utter spastic. Gaddafi didn't have nukes. He had a nuclear program and was trying to get them. There is a big difference. In 2003 he agreed to abandon that program. He was deposed by rebels eight years after he abandoned the program.

    Go spout your fox news right wing propaganda someplace else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    did kim tell you?

    ;-)
    Despotsthat build huge statues of themselves and turn guns on their own ppl don't wamt to normalize their country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You utter spastic. Gaddafi didn't have nukes. He had a nuclear program and was trying to get them. There is a big difference. In 2003 he agreed to abandon that program. He was deposed by rebels eight years after he abandoned the program.
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    Now, at last I know why he was deposed and by whom. Were the rebels the ones wanting the human rights and democracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Were the rebels the ones wanting the human rights and democracy?
    You are missing the point as usual. FaRT is trying to use a bogus right wing narrative to draw a false parallel.

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    So Trump's asking NK to de-nuke, meanwhile Congress is getting ready to sign-off on adding more nukes to the US arsenal:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12070516

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    ^And when the fat boy really will "walk away", it can be said: "he is hostile and provokes us, we told you so..."

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    The Japanese are twitching a bit. Still there's always The Silk Road or Eurasian projects available.

    Japan fears repercussions of US halting military exercises with South Korea: Glee in Russia




    "The government of Japan is in a flux after President Donald Trump of America announced curtailing military exercises with South Korea. Trump uttered this after the meeting with the leader of North Korea went better than expected. Therefore, Japan is paying the price of over-reliance on America because once more this nation wasn’t consulted to any major degree.

    After the groundbreaking meeting between Trump and Kim Jong-un, the leader of North Korea, the majority of nations in Northeast Asia felt a sigh of relief. This fact was expressed by China and other nations in this strategic part of the world. Hence, the joint statement stipulated, “President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.”

    However, the one regional nation that didn’t greet the announcement that the United States would curtail military exercises in South Korea positively was Japan. Indeed, Japan is extremely worried that the abduction issue and not being consulted to the full by the Trump administration highlights a lack of respect. Therefore, despite Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Trump having a good personal relationship, this fact isn’t bearing results in the realm of geopolitics and economics at the moment.

    Itsunori Onodera, the Defense Minister of Japan, uttered, The US-South Korean exercises, as well as the US military contingent in South Korea, play an important role in maintaining security in Northeast Asia.”

    Yet, Trump, stated strongly that America would halt military exercises based on not wanting to provoke North Korea and the financial factor. Trump said, We will be saving a tremendous amount of money. Plus, it is very provocative.”

    In truth, China and the Russian Federation have equally stressed a “freeze for freeze” approach to the crisis. In other words, US and South Korea military exercises are halted in return for North Korea suspending its long-range missile and nuclear tests. Therefore, for Trump and Kim, this is a very reasonable approach despite political and military elites in Japan expressing serious doubts.

    Onodera stipulated strongly, “While North Korea may have pledged to denuclearize, it has not yet made any specific moves toward that goal, so we have no intention of changing our current surveillance structure.”

    However, Japan can’t really complain because this nation sidelined itself by being over-reliant on America. Of course, relations will remain strong between America and Japan despite the lack of respect being shown to the Abe administration. Therefore, the Russian Federation will be looking on with a certain degree of pleasure because political elites in Moscow want to see a more independent Japan – hence, President Vladimir Putin will seek to move closer to Japan by reaching out in the realm of geopolitics"

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    ^Especially when knowing how the Japanese had suffered over centuries under the Koreans...

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    it's not like the Japanese didn't exercise war crimes in their days, and wouldn't try again if given a chance

    they are being paranoid and belligerent, as usual

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    ^But as they stand behind goldilocks at the G7 meeting as good little vassal, they are rewarded.

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    they are not vassals, they play vassals, which is not the same

    let's not forget that WW2 started with the Japanese vision of Pure Asia in the 20s and 30s,

    Hitler was the cherry on the cake, but the Japanese started it all

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    the whole idea of "expansion" and "race" was a Japanese idea in the first place,

    nobody wonders why a bunch of "yellow people" joined Hitler in their war effort ? they had the same racist vision of the world, with the same objectives

    complete dominance, and complete purity of a "race", if there is such a thing

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    Some unadulterated propaganda for the masses:



    Unfortunately no low cut dresses or thigh revealing mini skirts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the whole idea of "expansion" and "race" was a Japanese idea in the first place,

    nobody wonders why a bunch of "yellow people" joined Hitler in their war effort ? they had the same racist vision of the world, with the same objectives

    complete dominance, and complete purity of a "race", if there is such a thing
    Yep,nasty little kunts.

    Mind you, today, they are very polite and make very reliable cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    Mind you, today, they are very polite and make very reliable cars
    Like the Germans

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    Audi produce very good cars, had them for years. 5 Cylinder Coupe and A4s. I recommend them to anyone.

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    Bloody good cameras too......


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    Washington, Seoul Suspend Joint Military Drill - Official



    "The US and South Korean militaries will not conduct a joint military drill that was scheduled to take place in August, US officials said late Monday, following a historic meeting between US President Donald Trump and North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un in which the two heads of state agreed to make peace on the Korean Peninsula.

    Trump verbally vowed to end US-South Korean "war games" following the summit with Kim in Singapore on June 12. The "Ulchi Freedom Guardian" drill will not take place this year as it did last year, an official told Reuters.
    Meanwhile, Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White said in a press release on Monday that the United States and South Korea have suspended planning for a joint military exercise near the Korean peninsula that was scheduled to take place in August.

    "Consistent with President Trump's commitment and in concert with our Republic of Korea ally, the United States military has suspended all planning for this August's defensive ‘wargame’ (Freedom Guardian)," White said.

    There have been no decisions on subsequent war games, White said. Also, this decision has not affected Pacific exercises outside of the Korean Peninsula, White added.

    US Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton will meet later this week to discuss the issue, White said.
    Last year, Pyongyang requested the UN Security Council to discuss Ulchi Freedom Guardian on the grounds that it was essentially a rehearsal for an invasion of North Korea.

    The drill involves some 17,500 of the roughly 28,000 US troops in South Korea, according to the Pentagon, and it involves the United Nations Command forces from seven countries, including Australia, Canada, Columbia, Denmark, New Zealand, the Netherlands and Britain"

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201806191065528849-south-korea-usa-drills-suspension/


    If we are to believe the official ameristani spokesman Kim does actually achieve one of his prime desires.

    I presume the planning goes ahead, if not behind closed doors and that the walrus can be pacified. Are there UNSC observers overseeing the currently officially defunct, but now secret, invasion planning?
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    Xi calls on US, North Korea to implement Singapore agreements


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    Updated : 2018-06-19 21:56



    "Chinese President Xi Jinping told North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Tuesday he hopes Pyongyang and Washington can fully implement the outcome of last week's nuclear summit at which Kim pledged to work toward denuclearization in exchange for U.S. security guarantees.

    State broadcaster CCTV said Xi told Kim that through the ''concerted efforts of the relevant countries'' negotiations regarding issues on the Korean Peninsula are back on track and the overall situation is moving in the direction of peace and stability.

    The summit between Kim and U.S. President Donald Trump in Singapore marked an ''important step toward the political solution of the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue,'' Xi was quoted as saying in the meeting at the Great Hall of the People in central Beijing.

    China hopes North Korea and the U.S. can ''implement well the outcomes achieved at the summit,'' Xi said. China would ''as always play a constructive role'' in that process, he said.

    Along with a statement signed by Kim and Trump offering vague commitments to denuclearization and security, Trump also agreed to suspend military exercises with South Korea in what was seen as a major win for North Korea and its chief allies, China and Russia.

    Kim's two-day visit to China, which began Tuesday, had not been announced in advance but was expected as part of the Communist neighbors' tradition to report to each other on major developments.

    The visit is Kim's third to China since March, highlighting China's crucial role in efforts by the U.S. and others to get North Korea to abandon its nuclear program. The U.S. has long looked to China to use its influence with North Korea to bring it to negotiations, but the visit comes as ties between Beijing and Washington are being tested by a major trade dispute.

    CCTV showed Kim and his wife, Ri Sol Ju, being welcomed by Xi with full military honors. Xi and his wife, Peng Liyuan, later hosted Kim and Ri at a banquet, CCTV reported.

    China's official Xinhua News Agency announced the North Korean leader's visit shortly after he apparently landed Tuesday morning, dispensing with the secrecy shrouding previous trips to China by Kim and his father and predecessor, Kim Jong Il.

    On the younger Kim's first visit to China as leader, he took an armored train as his father had. His first two trips were not announced until after he had safely returned to North Korea.

    Xi ''is exerting a lot of influence from behind the scenes,'' said Bonnie Glaser, senior adviser for Asia at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

    ''I expect they will talk about the path going forward and where priorities should lie,'' Glaser said. Those priorities, from China's perspective, would be to ensure that Beijing is included in any peace treaty talks and in creating an environment on the Korean Peninsula that will make it unnecessary for U.S. troops to remain.

    Kim is likely hoping to get China's support for relief from punishing U.N. sanctions.

    At a regularly scheduled briefing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said Tuesday that Beijing supported Russia's calls last week for unilateral sanctions on North Korea _ ones that aren't imposed within the United Nations framework _ to be canceled immediately.

    ''China always stands against the so-called unilateral sanctions outside the Security Council framework. This position is very clear and we believe sanctions themselves are not the end,'' Geng said.

    While Beijing and Moscow have supported U.N. restrictions, they bristle at Washington imposing sanctions on its own to pressure North Korea.

    Trump's surprise announcement in Singapore of a U.S. suspension of military drills with its South Korean ally fulfills a goal long pursued by North Korea and its primary backers China and Russia. That move is seen as potentially weakening defenses and diplomacy among America's Asian allies, while bolstering China and Russia.

    The U.S. has stationed combat troops in South Korea since the Korean War, in which China fought on North Korea's side and which ended in 1953 with an armistice and no peace treaty.

    South Korea's Foreign Ministry said Kim's visit to China highlights the ''constructive role'' Beijing could play in disarming North Korea.

    Ministry spokesman Noh Kyu-duk also downplayed concerns that improving relations between China and North Korea could result in loosened Chinese sanctions against North Korea.

    Cheng Xiaohe, an associate professor at Renmin University's School of International Studies in Beijing, said it was significant that Chinese state broadcaster CCTV announced Kim's visit before his return home.

    ''This is an improvement. This shows that China is moving toward a healthier and more normal direction in relations with North Korea,'' Cheng said. He added that the frequency of Kim's visits _ three so far this year _ was ''unprecedented.''

    Yang Mu-jin, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul, said Kim's visits show the recent chill in the two countries' ties over Kim's development of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles had fully lifted.

    ''I believe that indicates that the blood alliance between the North and China has been completely restored,'' Yang said.

    Washington has long pressed Beijing to use its influence to compel North Korea into negotiations, but Kim's visit comes as a dispute over the large trade imbalance between China and the U.S. has been escalating, moving them closer to a potential trade war.

    That could make it less attractive for China to use its influence over North Korea to help the U.S. achieve its objectives of denuclearization.

    ''The potential comprehensive trade war will make the cooperation between China and U.S. in North Korea's nuclear issue more complicated,'' Cheng said. ''There will be a big question mark over whether China and the U.S. will continue this cooperation.'' (AP)


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    The DPRK Replaces Anti-American Art With Posters Emphasising Korean Reconciliation and Economic Progress



    "Perception management is an important tool for all governments and indeed for private corporations. In so far as this is the case, the DPRK is no exception to the rule. While DPRK citizens are generally far more isolated from foreign sources of information (or disinformation) than those in many other nations, this has not lessened the importance of the DPRK’s own goals in respect of managing the collective perception of current events vis-a-vis nations where there is more competition in the domestic infowar.
    The long running hostilities between Pyongyang and Washington has resulted in familiar scenes of anti-American art being posted around DPRK cities, towns and schools. This was the case from the earliest days of Kim Il-sung’s rule up until today. Now however, things appear to be changing.

    Visitors to the DPRK have noticed that over the last month, many anti-American art works have been replaced by paintings and drawings promoting inter-Korean peace and reconciliation as well as collective economic progress.

    This is a marked departure from the customary images of the DPRK’s armed forces crushing the once hated American foe.

    Today, with imagines of doves replacing images of missiles and images of barbed wire being steamrolled replacing imagines of DPRK warriors slaying enemy soldiers, it is now clear that the DPRK’s government is preparing the people to psychologically embrace what Kim Jong-un called a “new era” during his Singapore meeting with Donald Trump.

    While literally dealing with symbolism, the replacing of old anti-American art with new pro-peace and pro-cooperation images is more than just symbolic. It instead hints at a new official mentality that Pyongyang’s leadership seeks to convey to its people. The message overtly suggests that an atmosphere of openness and optimism for the future has replaced decades of mistrust, caution and anger.

    If the DPRK somehow planned not to fulfil its commitments to peace, openness and de-nuclearisation as some have suspected, there would be no reason for the country’s authorities to so rapidly change the nature of public political art. Instead, the rapid change of tone as conveyed in official symbolism is indicative of a wholesale reformation of public discourse in the country. Furthermore, this shift is clearly reflective of the new mentality among the nation’s political leadership.

    The distrust that many have projected onto the DPRK is widely unfounded, especially given the recent record of Kim Jong-un’s government doing everything it said it would do. In 2017, Pyongyang made it clear that it had every intention to complete its full scale inter-continental nuclear deterrent and only after nuclear parity was reached would officials be willing to engage in discussions with others, including the United States.
    Months after nuclear parity was reached, the DPRK extended an olive branch to Seoul which culminated in Kim Jong-un’s visit to South Korea and shortly thereafter, his equally historic meeting with the US President. The DPRK has embraced positive change for peace and prosperity and the only people who seem to be dragging their feet are the cynics in the liberal western media who seem confounded by the idea that a brighter future awaits the Korean people and the wider world as a result of a successful peace process.".

    https://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/0...omic-progress/
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