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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    how about what this really smart guy posted?




    ojk....anyone with half a brain knew this would be the outcome.
    Except you left out the part where trump throws SK under the bus

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    anyone with half a brain knew this would be the outcome.
    But ameristani expect a NPP to be awarded for this bigger and better deal that nobody in the world except their golden boy can manage.

    But then do they have even half a working brain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    Trump and Kim

    ... Win
    Fixed that for you.

    Trump was outfoxed in Singapore

    Originally published June 12, 2018 at 11:58 am Updated June 12, 2018 at 12:03 pm

    U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korea leader Kim Jong Un stop to talk with the media as they walk from their lunch at the Capella resort on Sentosa Island Tuesday, June 12, 2018 in Singapore. (Evan Vucci/AP)




    It’s bewildering how much Trump gave and how little he got. The cancellation of military exercises will raise questions among our allies, such as Japan, about America’s commitment to those allies.


    By Nicholas D. Kristof
    Syndicated columnist


    It sure looks as if President Donald Trump was hoodwinked in Singapore.

    Trump made a huge concession — the suspension of military exercises with South Korea. That’s on top of the broader concession of the summit meeting itself, security guarantees he gave North Korea and the legitimacy that the summit provides his counterpart, Kim Jong Un.

    Within North Korea, the “very special bond” that Trump claimed to have formed with Kim will be portrayed this way: Kim forced the U.S. president, through his nuclear and missile tests, to accept North Korea as a nuclear equal, to provide security guarantees to North Korea, and to cancel war games with South Korea that the North has protested for decades.

    In exchange for these concessions, Trump seems to have won astonishingly little. In a joint statement, Kim merely “reaffirmed” the same commitment to denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula that North Korea has repeatedly made since 1992.

    “They were willing to de-nuke,” Trump crowed at his news conference after his meetings with Kim. Trump seemed to believe he had achieved some remarkable agreement, but the concessions were all his own.
    The most remarkable aspect of the joint statement was what it didn’t contain. There was nothing about North Korea freezing plutonium and uranium programs, nothing about destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, nothing about allowing inspectors to return to nuclear sites, nothing about North Korea making a full declaration of its nuclear program, nothing about a timetable, nothing about verification, not even any clear pledge to permanently halt testing of nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.

    Kim seems to have completely out-negotiated Trump, and it’s scary that Trump doesn’t seem to realize this. For now Trump has much less to show than past negotiators who hammered out deals with North Korea like the 1994 Agreed Framework, which completely froze the country’s plutonium program with a rigorous monitoring system.

    Trump made a big deal in his news conference about recovering the remains of U.S. soldiers from the Korean War, but this is nothing new. Back in 1989, on my first trip to North Korea, officials there made similar pledges about returning remains, and indeed North Korea has returned some remains over the years. It’s not clear how many more remain.

    Trump claimed an “excellent relationship” with Kim, and it certainly is better for the two leaders to be exchanging compliments rather than missiles. In a sense, Trump has eased the tensions that he himself created when he threatened last fall to “totally destroy” North Korea. I’m just not sure a leader should get credit for defusing a crisis that he himself created.

    There’s still plenty we don’t know and lots of uncertainty about the future. But for now, the bottom line is that there’s no indication that North Korea is prepared to give up its nuclear weapons, and Trump didn’t achieve anything remotely as good as the Iran nuclear deal, which led Iran to eliminate 98 percent of its enriched uranium.

    There was also something frankly weird about a U.S. president savaging Canada’s prime minister one day and then embracing the leader of the most totalitarian country in the world.
    “He’s a very talented man,” Trump said of Kim. “I also learned that he loves his country very much.”

    In an interview with Voice of America, Trump said “I like him” and added: “He’s smart, loves his people, he loves his country.”

    Trump praised Kim in the news conference and, astonishingly, even adopted North Korean positions as his own, saying that the U.S. military exercises in the region are “provocative.” That’s a standard North Korean propaganda line. Likewise, Trump acknowledged that human rights in North Korea constituted a “rough situation,” but quickly added that “it’s rough in a lot of places, by the way.” (Note that a 2014 United Nations report stated that North Korean human rights violations do “not have any parallel in the contemporary world.”)

    Incredibly, Trump told Voice of America that he had this message for the North Korean people: “I think you have somebody that has a great feeling for them. He wants to do right by them and we got along really well.”
    It’s breathtaking to see a U.S. president emerge as a spokesman for the dictator of North Korea.

    One can argue that my perspective is too narrow: That what counts in a broader sense is that the risk of war is much less today than it was a year ago, and North Korea has at least stopped its nuclear tests and missile tests. Fundamentally, Trump has abandoned bellicose rhetoric and instead embraced the long-standing Democratic position — that we should engage North Korea, even if the result isn’t immediate disarmament.

    The 1994 Agreed Framework, for example, didn’t denuclearize North Korea or solve the human rights issues there, but it still kept the regime from adding to its plutonium arsenal for eight years. Imperfect processes can still be beneficial, and the ongoing meetings between the United States and North Korea may result in a similar framework that at least freezes the North Korean arsenal.

    Of all the things that could have gone badly wrong in a Trump administration, a “bloody nose” strike on North Korea leading to a nuclear war was perhaps the most terrifying. For now at least, Trump seems to have been snookered into the same kind of deeply frustrating diplomatic process with North Korea that he has complained about, but that is far better than war.

    Even so, it’s still bewildering how much Trump gave and how little he got. The cancellation of military exercises will raise questions among our allies, such as Japan, about America’s commitment to those allies.

    The Trump-Kim statement spoke vaguely about efforts “to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula,” whatever that means. But that was much less specific than the 1994 pledge to exchange diplomatic liaison offices, and the 2005 pledge to work for a peace treaty to end the Korean War.

    In January 2017, Trump proclaimed in a tweet: “North Korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the U.S. It won’t happen!” But in fact it appears to have happened on Trump’s watch, and nothing in the Singapore summit seems to have changed that.

    All this is to say that Kim Jong Un proved the more able negotiator. North Korean government officials have to limit their computer time, because of electricity shortages, and they are international pariahs — yet they are very savvy and shrewd, and they were counseled by one of the smartest Trump handlers of all, President Moon Jae-in of South Korea.

    My guess is that Kim flattered Trump, as Moon has, and that Trump simply didn’t realize how little he was getting. On my most recent visit to North Korea, officials were asking me subtle questions about the differences in views of Mike Pompeo and Nikki Haley; meanwhile, Trump said he didn’t need to do much homework.

    Whatever our politics, we should all want Trump to succeed in reducing tensions on the Korean Peninsula, and it’s good to see that Trump now supports engagement rather than military options. There will be further negotiations, and these may actually freeze plutonium production and destroy missiles. But at least in the first round, Trump seems to have been snookered.

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    Hire an idiot get idiot results.

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    How generous of Trump that he won't cancel the sanctions but will stop rattling the brass at NK gates.

    And how heart-breaking from him that he does not withdraw his army at the DM zone (and he is good in withdrawals, isn't he?) but will allow the fat boy to damage his shooting range...

    (all this beautiful name signings for the millions $$$ paid by taxpayers and the poor Singaporeans? It could have been done by the small clerks - they did it anyway)

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    why are you guys so negative with Trump,

    he delivered, period. Something even Obama the lazy ass, couldn't on any front

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    he delivered, period.
    What has he delivered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    Something even Obama the lazy ass, couldn't on any front
    Obama went on record saying that he'd meet with NK.

    The GOP and their Faux News Propaganda arm immediately started crying about how treasonous he was.

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    I would royally piss myself if China (and Russia will back them) got the UN sanctions lifted before baldy orange cunto has got anything out of Kim. Baldy would have to veto it and then he would look an even bigger twat.



    China suggested the United Nations Security Council suspend or lift sanctions against North Korea on Tuesday just hours after President Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un agreed to work to denuclearize the peninsula, according to a report.
    Geng Shuang, China’s foreign ministry spokesman, said the penalties imposed by the Security Council should be adjusted if the regime abides by UN resolutions and makes progress in diplomatic negotiations, the Associated Press reported.
    “China has consistently held that sanctions are not the goal in themselves,” Geng said at a daily briefing. “The Security Council​’​s actions should support and conform to the efforts of current diplomatic talks towards denuclearizing the Korean ​p​eninsula, and promote a political solution for the peninsula​.”​
    https://nypost.com/2018/06/12/china-...n-north-korea/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    What has he delivered?



    Obama went on record saying that he'd meet with NK.

    The GOP and their Faux News Propaganda arm immediately started crying about how treasonous he was.
    No-one seems to realise that this was all down to a change in South Korea, going its own way to open arms to North Korea after Moon got elected on a platform of improving relations with the North. Most of what was put on paper this week was already agreed between Kim and Moon.

    Baldy orange cunto has achieved fuck all except maybe he picked up some duty free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The GOP and their Faux News Propaganda arm immediately started crying about how treasonous he was.
    To build on your point if Obama had a meeting like this and halted war games with getting nothing in return they would be trying to impeach him right now. The hypocrisy is once again massive.

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    ^yep....Pentagon and GOP should be up in arms over it same as they were when.Carter talked about pulling US troops from SK. So far not much reaction.

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    All Trump has achieved is giving one of the worlds most brutal dictators and himself a photo op. He made no mention of the human rights abuses like most world leaders would have done and instead just got some empty promises on disarmament in the peninsula.
    Why does he fall out with the G7 leaders who are his closest allies yet suck up to monsters like KIM Jong UN?

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    This was a major victory for NK, China and to a lesser extent Russia. NK has been trying to halt war games for decades and no US president until now has been stupid enough to stop them. The are very important due to the fact that most of the soldiers there are on a one year rotation. So in most cases it will be the only training they get while in country.

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    i agree mostly with what has been posted above and it does seem Trump sold his soul to the devil BUT!

    Talk, meetings and concessions given, even if they seem macabre at the time could lead to better things.

    The World, not only America was watching this and hopefully tensions will abate and we all will have a happy ending.

    Trump has taken a huge risk and I personally hope he is right for laying himself on the line.

    Fingers crossed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Talk, meetings and concessions given, even if they seem macabre at the time could lead to better things.
    In other words the Iran deal but with a less credible govt

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    In other words the Iran deal but with a less credible govt
    Myself, including most others have no real solid present idea and only time will tell.

    Trump, I am sure has political advisers on most of the decisions he is making at the moment and although his actions are horrifying most at least he is showing up and talking.

    Whether he is a buffoon or a genius only time will tell!

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    'Harebrained': National Security Council owns up to widely derided Trump video
    The four-minute video in Korean and English was credited to Destiny Pictures, but owner of firm with same name said he had ‘no involvement’

    The National Security Council has said that it made the video Donald Trump showed to Kim Jong-un at their Singapore summit on Tuesday in an unorthodox effort to persuade him of the benefits of denuclearisation.

    The four-minute video in Korean and English was made in the style of an extended action movie trailer and portrayed Kim and Trump as men of destiny with the future of the world in their hands.

    The video, which Trump showed to the press after playing it on an iPad for Kim, is credited to “Destiny Pictures Productions”, prompting a flurry of press inquiries to a film production company of that name in California.

    Mark Castaldo, the company’s founder, said in an email it had “no involvement in the video”.
    “Woke up to 100’s of e-mails and calls from all over the world. Crazy” Castaldo said in a tweet, adding that he was trying to find out “why they used my company name”.

    Garrett Marquis, an NSC spokesman said in a statement: “The video was created by the National Security Council to help the president demonstrate the benefits of complete denuclearization, and a vision of a peaceful and prosperous Korean peninsula.”
    When asked about the decision to present the video as made by a non-existent company, an NSC spokesman said there would be no further comment.
    “From my understanding, they were just using ‘Destiny Pictures’ as a play on words. It just so happens there’s a studio by that name in California,” said Ned Price, a former NSC spokesman.

    “Leave it to this White House to fail to conduct basic due diligence. And that, of course, leaves aside the fact they thought it prudent to try to out-North-Korea North Korea in the propaganda department.


    “The whole enterprise reeks of amateurism and comes off as an attempt to check the box on a harebrained idea that presumably originated in the oval office,” Price added.


    The video shows the possibilities of North Korea’s future if it renounces nuclear weapons, with a rapid succession of colourful images of advanced technology and happy people. It contrasted that with an alternative reality in which the regime stayed on course with the development of its arsenal. That future was shown in grainy black and white images of US warplanes in the air and missiles launching.
    The choice between the two scenarios was Kim’s, the film implied.
    “A story about a special moment in time. When a man is presented with one chance that may never be repeated,” the narrator says.

    When asked about the film at a press conference on Tuesday, Trump defended it as a masterstroke which he had sprung on Kim and his entourage.
    “We had it made up,” the president said. “I showed it to them today. Actually during the meeting. Toward the end of the meeting. I think he loved it.
    “We had it on cassette. An iPad,” Trump said. “They played it. About eight of their representatives were watching it. I thought they were fascinated by it. I thought it was well done. I showed it to you because that is the future.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...stiny-pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    i agree mostly with what has been posted above and it does seem Trump sold his soul to the devil BUT!

    Talk, meetings and concessions given, even if they seem macabre at the time could lead to better things.

    The World, not only America was watching this and hopefully tensions will abate and we all will have a happy ending.

    Trump has taken a huge risk and I personally hope he is right for laying himself on the line.

    Fingers crossed!
    True, on the other hand

    Singapore summit echoes Hitler-Chamberlain meeting in 1938,

    but offering 'lots of great condos' in our time




    Four days after he took office, US President Donald Trump made good on a campaign pledge and withdrew the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
    He had derided the painstakingly negotiated 12-nation treaty as a "potential disaster for our country" because of the harm it would do to manufacturing jobs.


    But now, in his meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, Mr Trump has set off on what may become a new type of Trans-Pacific Partnership, this time under his own terms.
    President Trump: "They have great beaches. You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, boy look at that, wouldn't that make a great condo…And I explain, you know, instead of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world right there."


    Only this one will tie the United States to a Communist country with which it was at war six decades ago, and also possibly open the door to more ties to another Communist country, China, with which the US only re-established relations under another Republican president, Richard M Nixon, in 1972.
    Mr Trump's audacity is still reverberating in political circles in the United States and elsewhere. But he was perhaps unintentionally clear in at least one of his aims for the detente with North Korea.
    Although it was ostensibly portrayed as an effort to rid North Korea of nuclear weapons, Mr Trump unveiled another goal in a news conference after the meeting in Singapore.
    "As an example, they have great beaches," Mr Trump mused. "You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, 'Boy, look at that view. Wouldn't that make a great condo.'"
    He went on, "You could have the best hotels in the world right there. Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea, you have China, and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It's great."




    Echoes of Adolf Hitler meeting in 1938
    It was a revealing moment, but it also brought to mind another meeting between a Western leader and another strongman, this one from Germany, that took place 80 years ago.




    YOUTUBE: Chamberlain declares 'I believe it is peace in our time' in 1938
    In September, 1938, British prime minister Neville Chamberlain travelled to Munich, along with French prime minister Eduard Daladier and Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, to meet with Adolf Hitler.


    The meeting resulted in an agreement that allowed Germany to annex a portion of Czechoslovakia, after Germany had reclaimed the Rhineland and took control of Austria. It was clear that Germany would take control of the German-speaking Sudetenland by force, unless European leaders would get out of his way.


    Chamberlain agreed, thinking that war had been avoided. And in one of the biggest miscalculations in history, he told a crowd in front of Buckingham Palace: "I believe it is peace in our time."


    In fact, Germany's ambitions did not end there, and Britain declared war on Germany a year later.


    A number of analysts said on Tuesday that Mr Trump was miscalculating by agreeing to a number of steps, such as ending joint military exercises with South Korea, without significant concessions from Mr Kim.


    Trump ditching allies for new friends in Asia
    There were reports that Chinese officials knew about the step before the US informed its embassy in South Korea and, most certainly, before the US told other allies about the step.


    But Mr Trump, in just this past week, has shown that he is dispensing with America's traditional partners in the West, and turning to a new set of friends, namely those who have welcomed him in Asia.


    His spat with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over steel and aluminium tariffs threatens to explode into a bigger trade war over auto parts.


    That tangle and his running disagreements with French Prime Minister Emmanuel Macron over climate change prompted Mr Trump's refusal to sign a joint G7 statement, leave Charlevoix, Quebec early, and fire off angry tweets from Air Force One on his way to Singapore to rendezvous with Mr Kim.


    His smiles, and arm pats and handshakes there were a sharp contrast to the stormy scene he left behind him.
    All of it was exactly what Mr Trump's supporters want to see. First, the belligerent candidate they put into office acting in trademark fashion, and then pulling off the kind of public spectacle with the North Korean dictator that no other president would attempt, let alone tolerate.


    Read the document in full


    The statement details the two leaders' plans to cooperate on denuclearisation and peace on the Peninsula.
    Even Mr Trump, however, knows that his bold action may end up in failure, just as Chamberlain's agreement with Hitler blew up in Europe's face 80 years ago.


    North Korea has said numerous times that it was willing to discuss denuclearisation, only to fail to follow through. Meanwhile, it has continued to test nuclear weapons, which are the main leverage it has over its Asian neighbours, as well as the West.


    Mr Trump, despite his euphoria, seemed to be setting the bar low. And in a statement displaying the brashness his biographers and other journalists have come to know, he admitted his gamble with Mr Kim could be for naught.


    "I may be wrong," Mr Trump said during the news conference. "I may stand before you in six months and say, 'Hey, I was wrong'.


    "I don't know that I'll ever admit that," he said with a smile, "but I'll find some kind of an excuse."


    He may like to brush up on his World War II history.


    Chamberlain, as Britain headed into war with Germany, told the House of Commons

    "Everything that I have worked for, everything that I have hoped for, everything that I have believed in during my public life has crashed into ruins."
    Singapore summit echoes Hitler-Chamberlain meeting in 1938, but offering 'lots of great condos' in our time - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Trump mentioned some wonderful real estate up north, fatboy could be running a bunch of resorts and spas and casinos within a few years, has an unending supply of fit looking young ladies in tight kit to tend to farang needs, earn gazillions on top of welfare and everyone's happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Whether he is a buffoon or a genius only time will tell!
    like that time Chamberlain came back from Munich

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    You mean like that time Chamberlain came back from Munich
    I am sure it will never get to that type of stupidity.

    Talking is good, personal contact better!

    Let's see how things pan out over the next 6 months.

    Not unless you have you have another plan you wish to share with us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Not unless you have you have another plan you wish to share with us?
    that's the thing: everyone should want this to succeed.

    kim went to school in switzerland and surely wants his country to open up to the world and develop.

    at the same time, he'll likely only give up his nukes when the war is declared over, us troops are out and the north and south get closer (all will likely have to happen around the same time).

    rather than comparing this to chamberlain, this should be compared to east/west germany and things can/should move quickly once things start falling into place, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post

    at the same time, he'll likely only give up his nukes when the war is declared over, us troops are out and the north and south get closer.
    He's never giving up his nukes, that's not happening, regardless of what the orange one thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    He's never giving up his nukes, that's not happening, regardless of what the orange one thinks.
    because he's thinking about what obama/hillary did to gadaffi after he had given up his wmd?

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    Do a google on NK's history of agreeing to reduce or give up their nukes. Less reason to expect it to happen now that they have what they've spent the past 20 yrs developing.

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