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    Moon and Kim have met. So, the great mediator cannot stay aside.
    What is the current "see what happens"? Still "YES"?
    The flights and hotels fully booked?

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    The Singapore ladies wish they would make there minds up.

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    US isnt needed, PRC, NK and SK could work a deal out on their own

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    The video suggests more than a stilted, forced, relationship:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...&v=pfFRCxDg5eI

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    Trump’s cancelation of the summit meeting with North Korea reaffirms that the president and his team don’t have a strategy


    Fri 25 May 2018 15.03 BST Last modified on Fri 25 May 2018 17.40 BST


    Just as soon as North Korea began playing hardball, Donald Trump took his toys and went home. Who knew dealing with North Korea was so hard? Well, just about everybody. Everybody except Trump, that is.


    Trump’s cancellation of the 12 June summit meeting with the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un reaffirms that Trump and his team don’t have a North Korea strategy. And when you’re dealing with a nuclear-armed rogue regime like North Korea, that’s dangerous.


    The lack of strategy has been apparent for a while. After threatening war for months, Trump reversed course in March. Following a diplomatic thaw between North and South Korea around the Olympics, Trump announced an unprecedented summit meeting with Kim Jong-un. In the months since, Trump began setting expectations of historic things to come. He spoke of Kim as an “honorable” man. He fanned talk of getting the Nobel peace prize. The White House even printed commemorative coins for the summit.


    The euphoria wore off quickly. In response to US threats of regime change if diplomacy failed, North Korea returned to its usual heated rhetoric, singling out Vice-President Mike Pence and the national security adviser, John Bolton, for criticism. But these statements were likely part of the negotiations – in addition to the boilerplate criticism, North Korea also explicitly reaffirmed Pyongyang’s commitment to dialogue. This was North Korea’s opening position.


    And yet, Trump and his advisers responded by cancelling the summit. Why? The North Koreans, South Koreans and many Trump advisers are likely scratching their heads along with the rest of us. When the going gets tough, apparently Trump runs away.


    The Trump team is trying to spin this as North Korea’s fault. But it’s clear that all along US officials have been – rightly – skeptical that North Korea is actually willing to give up its nuclear weapons and many doubted the wisdom of the summit. No one – not North Korea, South Korea, nor Trump’s own team – expected him to announce a summit with Kim Jong-un when the South Koreans came to brief Trump on their talks with Kim in March. But Trump rushed ahead. For some in the administration, cancelling the summit prevents Trump from accepting what they believe is a bad deal.


    It’s possible that the Trump team views cancellation as a negotiating tactic – Trump and Pompeo have both said talks are still possible. But a more likely explanation is that Trump is thin-skinned, and the repeated insults from North Korea offended Trump and were used by US officials who were skeptical of the diplomacy to torpedo it. Reports indicating that this decision happened very quickly – with no prior notification of allies – suggest that, once again, Trump was winging it.




    If Trump wants to return to the “maximum pressure” campaign of economic sanctions and “fire and fury” threats, he’ll quickly realize that it’s dead for now. China has already been easing up on the pressure and will now use Trump’s cancelation of talks to justify further loosening the screws. If Trump really wants to start this process over again, he’ll have to begin hitting China with significant secondary sanctions while he’s trying to negotiate massive trade issues.


    This theory also rests on the Trump team’s assumption that the “maximum pressure” forced Kim to the table. Kim’s interest in diplomacy was at most only partially fueled by the pressure: he had already achieved the ability to launch nuclear-tipped missiles to the United States and could negotiate from a position of strength. Kim also knew that Seoul was interested in diplomacy and saw an opportunity to divide the United States and South Korea.




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    If Trump wants to return to threats of war – as he did in announcing his decision to cancel the summit – then he still faces the fact that war would be “catastrophic”, as Trump’s secretary of defense, James Mattis, put it.


    If Trump is still interested in diplomacy – as he should be – then Trump just made his task a lot harder. South Korea was not notified about the decision – they will be angry, and rightly so. And the world will see Trump as the one who stopped the talks, not Kim. Unfortunately for the United States, Kim now holds more cards than he did when the diplomacy began and he knows it – sure enough, North Korea’s first response was to take the high ground and say they’re ready to talk “any time”.


    There very well may still be a path forward, but only if the Trump administration recognizes that a quick denuclearization process is a fantasy – and if they are willing to give diplomacy time to work. A continuation of the already ongoing high-level talks would test whether progress in limiting or reducing – if not eliminating – North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs was possible.


    Like a boyfriend expressing hope of getting back together with his girlfriend while breaking up with her, Trump ended his letter to Kim by stating forlornly: “If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit, please do not hesitate to call me or write.” If diplomacy does get back on track, let’s all hope both sides of this relationship go in eyes wide open next time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ea-was-so-hard
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    More, I suggest, positive words from ROK media:

    Moon calls for Trump-Kim hotline

    Posted : 2018-05-27 09:17
    Updated : 2018-05-27 14:11

    Moon calls for Trump-Kim hotline

    Moon, Kim vow to 'meet frequently in the future'


    Posted : 2018-05-27 09:30
    Updated : 2018-05-27 10:38

    Moon, Kim vow to 'meet frequently in the future'

    Two Koreas to hold high-level talks on June 1

    Posted : 2018-05-27 09:24
    Updated : 2018-05-27 09:24

    Two Koreas to hold high-level talks on June 1

    Moon aide's 99.9 percent bet

    Posted : 2018-05-27 15:12
    Updated : 2018-05-27 15:12

    Moon aide's 99.9 percent bet
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    An weary caveat is in order.
    The U.S. doesn't have a very decent record or history of upholding entente cordiales, treaties, or agreements of such magnitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Moon, Kim vow to 'meet frequently in the future'
    In fact, on 1st June again...

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    ^They meet and meet. Please give the poor Onkel also a meet, he begs so much for that - not to stay aside and say only "See what happens", "Hoo nouws"...

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    Replace the ameristani with a UN representative. It was they who agreed with the ceasefire after all.

    That would be an occasion to see BB's tweet, "Sanction the UN". The problem is Maggie May would agree to it.

    Last edited by OhOh; 28-05-2018 at 01:45 AM.

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    This is a coup for Trump, and he's not about to spoil it by getting cranky over trifling issues.

    I don't think he wants to be remembered as the POTUS that didn't make peace with NOKO.

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    Lavrov meets Kim in Pyongyang, gifts him ‘box for secrets’
    31 May 2018



    Lavrov added a bit of suspense to his meeting with Kim when he presented him with a box, leaving bystanders guessing what’s inside.

    “You can lock secret things here,” the top Russian diplomat said with a smile as he gave the North’s leader a key to it.

    During the meeting, Lavrov and North Korea’s leader pledged to do their utmost to secure peace talks to ease the Korean knot. Next time, both may hold talks in Moscow, as Lavrov has invited Kim to pay a visit to Russia. “We’ll be happy if you come visit,” Lavrov said, with Kim in turn sending his best wishes to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Russian Foreign Minister also caught up with his North Korean counterpart Ri Yong-ho. Lavrov stressed that the ultimate goal of Korean denuclearization cannot be reached as long as sanctions against Pyongyang are in place.

    https://www.rt.com/news/428310-lavrov-kim-korea-photo/

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    secret Golden tapes of course

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    Kim must be really reassured learning that the 'Libyan scenario' would be followed if anything it would reinforce the belief that a retaliatory capability is absolutely necessary to prevent an attack.

    Do the US not understand what a mess they have made of Libya and the resultant 'refugee' crisis in Europe.

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    Why not to make a treaty with USA, beautifully signed by the POTUS, and why not to rely on his word?

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    Turns out what fatboy really wants is a McDees

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    North Korea ready to walk away from Trump summit.
    I wish one of them would stick to the 'walking away in a huff' script.

    I find the idea of these 2 deranged lunatics actually being put into a room together to engage in nuclear weaponry brinksmanship to be beyond disturbing.

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    Maybe a calming head is required, choose one or all of them:






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    Baldy orange cunto: “We had hundreds of new sanctions ready to go.” But he says he won’t impose them “until the talks break down.”

    Surely he means "unless"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Maybe a calming head is required, choose one or all of them:
    One more:

    Last edited by Klondyke; 02-06-2018 at 03:02 PM.

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    Of course the talks will break down. Anyone in their right mind knows that murdering fat boy is not going to give up anything. His only interest is staying in power at all costs and getting sanctions eased in the process.

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    Imho if he goes there to negotiate, something positive should come of it, but if he intends to bloody fatboy's nose it'll be a disaster.

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    Could eclipse the LT/Manaam event.

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    Even if they pull off the meeting, trump will walk out in the middle and put the reason for the break in talks on kim.

    Trump's been blowing his own so much over this; he's lost whatever leverage he had.

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    the north koreans have spent decades trying to build a nuclear weapon and missile that could reach the united states.

    they finally accomplished it last year.

    and now they're just going to give it up and denuclearize?


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