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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Now, for clarity, how or why do you believe DPRK would want to move away from "China's influence"?
    I think it's a ploy to get some concessions out of China. He shows that he's moving towards unification and the PRC will offer him incentives to get him to back off.
    And if that doesn't work, he'll stroke trump's ego to get some concessions. Win/win for him.

    All the sanctions have got him over a barrel and he's desperate.....IMO anyways

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    Trump says meeting with DPRK's Kim in Singapore on June 12

    Source:Xinhua Published: 2018/5/11 206

    "U.S. President Donald Trump tweeted on Thursday that his meeting with top leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), Kim Jong Un, will be in Singapore on June 12.

    "The highly anticipated meeting between Kim Jong Un and myself will take place in Singapore on June 12th," Trump wrote. "We will both try to make it a very special moment for World Peace!"

    The remarks came on the heels of the DPRK's release of three detained U.S. citizens, who came back with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo early Thursday after his visit to Pyongyang in preparation for the Trump-Kim summit.

    On April 30, Trump said that Singapore and the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) separating the DPRK and South Korea could be possible sites for his meeting with Kim.

    The president on Wednesday ruled out the DMZ, a place he clearly preferred in his earlier tweets considering its symbolic implications.

    U.S. analysts said Singapore won out for its neutrality."

    Trump says meeting with DPRK's Kim in Singapore on June 12 - Global Times
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    U.S. analysts said Singapore won out for its neutrality."
    Why not in KL? They know how to welcome the Koreans...

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    I suspect some believe the location to be immaterial, except for logistics, security, comms, travel etc. Others need to confirm, to their "people" some of their demands have already been "won".

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    Although a meeting has been agreed beteween DPRK and ameristani governments the ameristanis are already breaking the agreement agreed between DPRK and ROK government and applauded by ameristani tweeters.

    Pompeo's 13 hours in North Korea

    Updated 0349 GMT (1149 HKT) May 10, 2018


    "Once they arrived, Pompeo met for about an hour with Kim Yong Chol, discussing the Trump-Kim summit and Pompeo's schedule, before Kim hosted a luncheon on the hotel's 39th floor, where he formally welcomed the Americans.

    Over a table arrayed with dishes of poached fish and duck served with red wine, Kim raised the possibility of better relations and offered some pointed political remarks.

    "You have visited Pyongyang at such a good time, at such a warm and lovely spring, and a good atmosphere has been established between North and South, so everything is going well in Pyongyang now," the North Korean official said.

    Kim then told the Americans that "we have perfected our nuclear capability," adding that "this is not the result of sanctions that have been imposed from outside."

    "It is our policy to concentrate all efforts into economic progress in country," Kim said before making an appeal laced with flattery.

    A surprise meeting with the DPRK leader was announced where among other items the three convicted criminals release was discussed. The ameristani returned to his hotel and awaited with crossed fingers.

    A DPRK official arrived at the Koryo Hotel with news:

    "Kim Jong Un was releasing the Americans.
    "We're granting amnesty to the three detained Americans," the North Korean emissary told Pompeo, according to a US official. "We issued the order to grant immediate amnesty to the detainees."

    One of the reporters asked Pompeo if there had been a moment when he gave himself "a little pat on the back" for securing the Americans' release.

    "Still have work to do," Pompeo answered. "I'm thrilled that we have them back. I'm happy that actually President Trump set the conditions for this to happen, and I'm thrilled with that. But there's still a lot of work to do to achieve our ultimate goal."

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/09/p...ock/index.html


    A surprise meeting with the DPRK leader and three criminals awarded amnesty.

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    But then:

    S. Korea, U.S. to begin large-scale air drills Friday


    "SEOUL,
    2018/05/10 16:02--

    South Korea and the United States will begin massive combined air force drills this week, officials here said Thursday, in an apparent move to strengthen their hand ahead of denuclearization talks with North Korea.

    The two-week Max Thunder exercise will begin on Friday, involving some 100 warplanes, including eight F-22 radar-evading fighters as well as an unspecified number of B-52 bombers and F-15K jets, the officials said.

    It is the first time that the allies have decided to deploy eight F-22 jets to a combined exercise. Observers said the planned show of formidable air power appears aimed at further pressuring the North to give up its nuclear ambitions.

    The B-52 aircraft is expected to be deployed from the U.S. strategic military base in Guam and may join South Korea's F-15Ks to stage tactical air maneuvers.

    The exercise is to be hosted by South Korea's Air Force Operations Command and the U.S. 7th Air Force.

    "Through this practical exercise, the air forces of South Korea and the U.S. plan to improve aerial operations techniques," an air force official here said on condition of anonymity.

    Washington and Pyongyang are preparing to hold their unprecedented summit, which is expected to be held later this month or in June. Topping the agenda is the North's denuclearization, a long-standing issue that has bedeviled the allies' leaders. "

    Yonhap News Agency


    By introducing additional airplane types and suggesting that "the planned show of formidable air power appears aimed at further pressuring the North to give up its nuclear ambitions", the DPRK took umbrage.Then the ameristani and ROK govenment officials demanded the DPRK government give up it's nuclear bombs and missiles. For "safe keeping" to an ameristani base.

    "It is worth asking why Bolton is busy giving interviews in which he raises hopes for a complete elimination of North Korea’s nuclear weapons that can occur in a matter of months. He has repeatedly called for a “Libya style” deal — one in which the United States simply shows up and collects the weapons and supporting infrastructure. And South Korean officials are also saying that Trump won’t meet with Kim without “a specific timeline for complete denuclearization: as soon as possible and no later than the end of Mr. Trump’s current term, in early 2021."

    Optimism About Korea Will Kill Us All ? Foreign Policy



    One wonders what is the point of a meeting to discuss anything, surely the amerstanis didn't believe The DPRK leader would just Tweet back, "OK".

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    A WSJ reporter tweets :

    8:00 PM - 15 May 2018Jonathan ChengVerified account

    @JChengWSJ

    Seoul Bureau Chief @WSJ.




    https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/996586112222052353


    A diplomatic response to ameristani's ongoing unexceptional belligerence.

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    Which led to the ameristani climb down, by omitting some of the planned aircraft to be deployed.

    (2nd LD) U.S. B-52 bombers will be absent from joint military exercise with S. Korea

    2018/05/16 21:10

    "SEOUL, May 16 (Yonhap) -- Contrary to the original plan, nuclear-capable U.S. B-52 bombers will not participate in the ongoing combined air drills between South Korea and the United States, a military source here said Wednesday.

    "In the Max Thunder exercise that began on Friday, the U.S. F-22 stealth fighters have already participated, while the B-52 has yet to join," the source said on condition of anonymity. "B-52 will not take part in the exercise, which runs through May 25."

    The annual two-week exercise hosted by South Korea's Air Force Operations Command and the U.S. 7th Air Force involves 100 aircraft, including eight F-22 radar-evading fighter jets, as well as F-15Ks and F-16s.

    The South Korean defense ministry also formally confirmed B-52's absence from the exercise"


    This combined photo shows Defense Minister Song Young-moo (L) and Gen. Vincent Brooks, the commander of U.S. Forces Korea. (Yonhap)



    In a related move, Moon Chung-in, a special security adviser to President Moon Jae-in, said in a lecture at the National Assembly that the decision was made at an emergency meeting between Defense Minister Song Young-moo and Gen. Vincent Brooks, the commander of U.S. Forces Korea.


    The meeting was held for about 40 minutes to apparently discuss Pyongyang's abrupt decision to cancel the inter-Korean talks slated for Wednesday.
    The North's Korean Central News Agency lambasted the drills as a rehearsal for invasion and a provocation amid thawing inter-Korean ties.


    Pyongyang has repeatedly shown its aversion to the deployment of the B-52 bombers, part of the U.S. nuclear umbrella, over the peninsula.

    Its protest came after South Korean President Moon Jae-in and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un issued their landmark summit declaration last month, in which they pledged to halt all hostile acts on land, sea and air.


    But the North's angry reaction has caused concerns that ongoing peace efforts could be jeopardized.


    Pyongyang's protest also reinforced the conservative view that the communist state might use the inter-Korean declaration to oppose any allied drills that form an integral part of the Seoul-Washington collective defense system."

    Kim Jong Un is the man?

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    "South Korea and the United States will begin massive combined air force drills this week, officials here said Thursday, in an apparent move to strengthen their hand ahead of denuclearization talks with North Korea."

    Don't need to strengthen their hand, fatboy already knows they have lots of money, rice and fancy toys, they should court not intimidate him.

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    Trump Rebuts Bolton, Says Libya Isn’t a Model for Kim Talks

    May 17, 2018, 10:33 AM GMT+7 Updated on May 18, 2018, 10:25 AM GMT+7

    "U.S. President Donald Trump rebutted his national security adviser, telling reporters that he didn’t consider the nuclear disarmament of Libya a model for negotiations with North Korea over its atomic weapons program.


    “The Libya model isn’t a model we have at all” for North Korea, Trump said Thursday during a White House meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. Trump also suggested China, engaged in a trade fight with the U.S., could be encouraging North Korea’s turn toward a harder line on nuclear negotiations and he repeated a threat against Kim Jong Un’s regime if talks collapse.





    Bolton, center, listens as Trump speaks in Washington on May 17.



    U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton drew the ire of the North Korean government for saying that the country’s nuclear disarmament should follow the “Libya model” embraced by Moammar Qaddafi, who after giving up his atomic weapons was later overthrown and killed in a U.S.-backed uprising.



    That history is well understood by Kim’s regime. In a blistering statement Wednesday, North Korea’s vice foreign minister and a top disarmament negotiator, Kim Kye Gwan, said his government felt “repugnance” toward Bolton."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-17/trump-shows-flexibility-on-north-korea-talks-after-kim-s-threat



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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Trump Rebuts Bolton, Says Libya Isn’t a Model for Kim Talks
    Of course he did. Mean while his team semt to Beijing for trade talks are having public smack downs over policy.

    maga

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    “The Libya model isn’t a model we have at all” for North Korea, Trump said
    And who dares to doubt about the word of a POTUS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Of course he did. Mean while his team semt to Beijing for trade talks are having public smack downs over policy.

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    Baldy orange cunto probably had to have Libya explained to him *after* Bolton opened his fat gob.

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    China welcomes Trump’s assurance of NK security





    By Yang Sheng Source:Global Times Published: 2018/5/18

    "China welcomes US expression of willingness to ensure North Korea's security, and urges both sides to shoulder their obligations to lead the peninsular nuclear issue toward a political solution, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said Friday.

    US President Donald Trump sought on Thursday to placate North Korean leader Kim Jong-un after Pyongyang threatened to scrap an unprecedented summit, saying Kim's security would be guaranteed in any deal and his country would not suffer the fate of Libya's Muammar Gaddafi, unless that could not be reached, Reuters reported.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang praised the latest statement from Trump at a press conference on Friday.

    Security is at the core of the peninsular issue, Lu said, and North Korea's concerns over security should be addressed during the denuclearization process.

    Trump said he would not pursue the "Libya model" for North Korea's denuclearization process, and would not seek to depose Kim. The US pressured Gaddafi to give up nuclear weapons, but later supported Libyan rebels against Gaddafi's government, which led to Gaddafi's death during the civil war.

    "This is the first time that Trump has made a clear statement, and it is a positive response to North Korea's unhappiness over the 'Libya model' John Bolton [Trump's national security adviser] had mentioned, and shows North Korea is not the only one begging for a summit," Lü Chao, a research fellow at the Liaoning Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times on Friday.

    "He [Kim] would be there, he would be running his country, his country would be very rich," Trump told media.

    Reciprocal action

    On Wednesday, North Korea threatened to abandon the planned Kim-Trump meeting in Singapore in June if Washington insists on pushing it "into a corner" on nuclear disarmament.

    A statement published by the state-run Korea Central News Agency (KCNA) said North Korea would never accept economic assistance from the US in exchange for unilaterally abandoning its nuclear program.

    The KCNA statement referred to comments made by Bolton about the Libya model being a potential option for the denuclearization of North Korea. "The US was trying to make the situation look like its sanctions and military pressure caused Pyongyang to beg for the meeting. Even North Korea bent backward by demolishing its nuclear facilities and releasing US hostages," Lü said.

    "Trump had made no compromise and continues to impose sanctions and conduct military drills. But both sides need the summit and a political settlement," Lü noted.

    North Korea's moves toward denuclearization deserve a corresponding response from relevant parties, Lu Kang said on Thursday.

    Significant moves from North Korea, including its announcement of a halt to nuclear tests and the dismantling of the Punggye-ri nuclear test site, show the country's goodwill in promoting the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and building mutual trust with relevant parties, Lu said at a regular press briefing on Thursday.

    The moves deserve full appreciation and should be "encouraged, welcomed and supported" by the international community as well as receive reciprocal action from relevant sides, he said.

    Trump won't give up the CVID (complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization) but for the summit to happen, he will likely show his flexibility on economic compensation and sanctions, said Cheng Xiaohe, an associate professor at the Renmin University of China's School of International Studies.

    "Trump wants a summit with meaningful results, and the summit's schedule is unlikely to be affected, because if there is any delay, both sides will spend more time arranging a meeting, if they still want one," Cheng noted."


    China welcomes Trump?s assurance of NK security - Global Times


    A western MSM source suggests differently:

    Donald Trump's threat to Kim Jong-un: make a deal or suffer same fate as Gaddafi

    Fri 18 May 2018 07.01 BST

    "But Trump appeared to be unaware of that agreement, and interpreted the “Libyan model” to mean the 2011 Nato intervention in Libya in support of an insurrection, which ultimately led to Gaddafi’s murder at the hands of rebels in Tripoli.

    “The model, if you look at that model with Gaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don’t make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong-un is going to be very, very happy,” Trump said, suggesting that the regime’s survival could be assured if Kim agreed to disarm.

    “This with Kim Jong-un would be something where he would be there[Held hostage, a la Saudi Princes on the 58th floor of th enew DPRK Tower]. He would be running his country [Via the Teleprompter script]. His country would be very rich[The newly opened western banks, possibly, DPRK citizens unlikely],” the president said.

    Joel Wit, a former US negotiator who is now a senior fellow at the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins University, said: “This is probably the wrong time to be making threats, three weeks before the summit.”

    The BB either believes ameristan went to Libya:

    1. "to beat him", more accurately translated to modern English to, "reduce his military by 10%".
    or
    2. The previous ameristani puppet's public reason, "to protect Libyan citizens".
    or
    3. His brain cannot control that, which emits, from his mouth.

    The first two have no more substance than a pie purchased from an, allegedly well known, Pattaya seller. The third was "probably" diagnosed by his own doctor and noted in his medical records, which unfortunately have been allegedly, "lost".

    Which is the truth, threats or the desire to make a deal? In my experience making threats, to a prospective partner, ensures the prospect walks out of the room, permanently.In Chicago it may be, still, normal practise.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ong-un-gaddafi
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    "U.S. President Donald Trump tweeted on Thursday that his meeting with top leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), Kim Jong Un, will be in Singapore on June 12.
    Kim Jong Un will not come to Singapre to meet Trump in North Korea.
    Kim just realized he doesn't have a plane that can fly that far

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Kim just realized he doesn't have a plane that can fly that far
    As usual you are living in the past.

    He has already been offered assistance in all matters concerning this event, including transportation. By friends who care, as opposed to "friends" who demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As usual you are living in the past.

    He has already been offered assistance in all matters concerning this event, including transportation. By friends who care, as opposed to "friends" who demand.
    like this



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    ^ Really a good joke... (even more funnier than the previous one...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    like this
    Somewhat more citizen friendly than this:



    I suppose "Lakeland" could be in Iraq, but no bombed building, sand or camels in the shot.

    I was referring to a Chines offer of a civil aircraft, aircraft refuelling, repairs etc. and a possible armed fighter escort. But an opportunity is not to be wasted.
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    So....
    Hypothetically, if all goes well with this continuing bullshit - what will be the next invented stage of the Koreas and what will they become?

    Extensions of the empire?
    Who are the tributaries directed to?

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    ROKDPRK 2 The Everlasting Story 2019 MDB 9.5

    Do DPRK actually have the Death Star?

    Me.

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