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    ROGER WATERS SLAMS SYRIA INTERVENTION, ATTACKS ‘WHITE HELMETS’ AS 'FAKE'
    APRIL 15, 2018 20:32

    Waters claimed that listening to “propaganda” of the White Helmets about the chemical weapons attack would lead to bombing of Syria.

    During a concert Friday in Barcelona, the former Pink Floyd leader launched into a tirade against a Syrian volunteer group called the White Helmets that works in search and rescue in rebel-held areas of Syria. He called them a “fake organization” that created propaganda for “jihadists and terrorists.”

    He then claimed that listening to “propaganda of the White Helmets and others we would be encouraged to encourage our governments to go and start dropping bombs on people in Syria.”

    The video of Waters statement was posted on Youtube by a group called Hands off Syria. It showed Waters at his ‘Us+Them’ 2018 tour. Waters begins by claiming that someone had wanted to come on stage and make a speech about the chemical weapons attack in Douma. “He is one voice, I personally think he is entirely wrong, I believe the organization that he purports to represent and who he supports, the White Helmets, are a fake organization that is creating propaganda for jihadists and terrorists, that’s what I believe.”

    The White Helmets were the subject of a 2017 documentary and were nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize the same year.

    Roger Waters slams Syria intervention, attacks ?White Helmets? as 'fake' - International news - Jerusalem Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ROGER WATERS SLAMS SYRIA INTERVENTION, ATTACKS ‘WHITE HELMETS’ AS 'FAKE'
    uh oh, roger's in for it now.

    bsnub and harry are going to call him a russian apologist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You idiot the attack on Douma was barrel bombs and aerosol sprayed from a helicopter.
    We may find out the facts from an accredited neutral source.

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    OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Continues Deployment to Syria

    Saturday, 14 April 2018





    "THE HAGUE, Netherlands — 14 April 2018 —

    The Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will continue its deployment to the Syrian Arab Republic to establish facts around the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma.


    The OPCW has been working in close collaboration with the United Nations Department of Safety and Security to assess the situation and ensure the safety of the team."


    It is announced that OPCW will ignore the UNSC and continue with the investigation. As an independent organisation they can act as they wish. Hopefully they will be able to collect enough evidence for them to analyse and write a report.

    United Nations Department of Safety and Security have obviously acknowledged that Syrian and Russian Police can be trusted. One presumes the Syrians receive their share of the evidence collected for them to analyse in their own labs.

    Oh dear, somebody has just demolished our own labs. Which, oh which, ....... OPCW accredited labs, shall we ask for assistance?

    Are Chinese and Russian labs on the OPCW list of accredited labs? Why of course.

    https://www.opcw.org/news/article/op...ment-to-syria/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    If there were no WOMD in Iraq, what would be the motive for invading Iraq?

    Exactly the responce I excpected from you. Apples and oranges, I think Tomcat has a plausible answer to your question but any similarity between Iraq and Syria is not there. The invasion of Iraq was with the intention of a regime change,not so with the limited precision bombing that was done in Syria. Now I asked again,in all seriousness what motive would these countries have in bombing the selective Syrian targets if there was not credible evidence of Syria gassing civilians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    We may find out the facts from an accredited neutral source.

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    OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Continues Deployment to Syria

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    "THE HAGUE, Netherlands — 14 April 2018 —

    The Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will continue its deployment to the Syrian Arab Republic to establish facts around the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma.


    The OPCW has been working in close collaboration with the United Nations Department of Safety and Security to assess the situation and ensure the safety of the team."


    It is announced that OPCW will ignore the UNSC and continue with the investigation. As an independent organisation they can act as they wish. Hopefully they will be able to collect enough evidence for them to analyse and write a report.

    United Nations Department of Safety and Security have obviously acknowledged that Syrian and Russian Police can be trusted. One presumes the Syrians receive their share of the evidence collected for them to analyse in their own labs.

    Oh dear, somebody has just demolished our own labs. Which, oh which, ....... OPCW accredited labs, shall we ask for assistance?

    Are Chinese and Russian labs on the OPCW list of accredited labs? Why of course.

    https://www.opcw.org/news/article/op...ment-to-syria/


    Russia stopped them from reaching the sight of the gassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Just how much gas do you think it would take to travel 10km without dissipating first? Your comments are basically idiotic.
    These photos allegedly taken before and after do appear to be showing clouds of finely powdered chemicals/chemical vapour trials/burning chemical smoke from the alleged targets. How far they carry any CW is anybodies guess.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...issile-strikes

    But you are the expert on such things understandably.

    But as "it is believed" by some that there are positively no white children in the area and "it was worth it" as previous ameristani government officials have stated.

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    Just out of curiosity, how does the USA manage to be outraged at another sovereign state using chemical weapons against its people when it uses chemicals as a way of executing its own people.

    There's something quite, quite wrong with their argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Russia stopped them from reaching the sight of the gassing.
    Exactly as I predicted.

    Gives them longer to clean up the crime scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    These photos allegedly taken before and after do appear to be showing clouds of finely powdered chemicals/chemical vapour trials/burning chemical smoke from the alleged targets.
    They are probably just smoke. Explosives burn hot you moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Just out of curiosity, how does the USA manage to be outraged at another sovereign state using chemical weapons against its people when it uses chemicals as a way of executing its own people.

    There's something quite, quite wrong with their argument.
    irrespective of your take on capital punishment, you've heard of "Due Process", right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    The invasion of Iraq was with the intention of a regime change
    No, it was with the intention of making the Carlyle Group and its friends a shit load of money and nothing else.

    There was no reason to invade Iraq. No WMDs and not even a threat to its neighbours, let alone the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    irrespective of your take on capital punishment, you've heard of "Due Process", right?
    That's quite funny given that the US, UK and France didn't wait for any "Due Process" in this case.

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    I very much doubt the chemicals in a chemical laboratory facility were ready mixed to contaminate anywhere if the lab was blown up.

    Randomly creating chemical clouds with the addition of TNT is generally not a good way to make these weapons.

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    Uncovering the lie

    Respected journalist with four decades in Mid East reports

    Robert Fisk produced one of the best reports on the Ulster Workers strike , Terry Waite and the tragedy of Chatilla and Sabra, The assault on the US Marines the exile of the PLO, The Amal, The Bekaa he was fluent and he was there. I believe his integrity over US or Russian propaganda , his work is his credential.I can see no reason he would lie or could be persauded to produce disinformation, The corollary is that Trump and May are lying.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8307726.html

    This is the story of a town called Douma, a ravaged, stinking place of smashed apartment blocks -- and of an underground clinic whose images of suffering allowed three of the Western world’s most powerful nations to bomb Syria last week. There’s even a friendly doctor in a green coat who, when I track him down in the very same clinic, cheerfully tells me that the ‘gas’ videotape which horrified the world – despite all the doubters – is perfectly genuine.
    War stories, however, have a habit of growing darker. For the same 58-year old senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm.
    As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eye witness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?
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    By bad luck, too, the doctors who were on duty that night on 7 April were all in Damascus giving evidence to a chemical weapons enquiry, which will be attempting to provide a definitive answer to that question in the coming weeks.


    France, meanwhile, has said it has “proof” chemical weapons were used, and US media have quoted sources saying urine and blood tests showed this too. The WHO has said its partners on the ground treated 500 patients “exhibiting signs and symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic chemicals”.






    At the same time, inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are currently blocked from coming here to the site of the alleged gas attack themselves, ostensibly because they lacked the correct UN permits.


    Before we go any further, readers should be aware that this is not the only story in Douma. There are the many people I talked amid the ruins of the town who said they had “never believed in” gas stories – which were usually put about, they claimed, by the armed Islamist groups. These particular jihadis survived under a blizzard of shellfire by living in other’s people’s homes and in vast, wide tunnels with underground roads carved through the living rock by prisoners with pick-axes on three levels beneath the town. I walked through three of them yesterday, vast corridors of living rock which still contained Russian – yes, Russian – rockets and burned-out cars.


    So the story of Douma is thus not just a story of gas – or no gas, as the case may be. It’s about thousands of people who did not opt for evacuation from Douma on buses that left last week, alongside the gunmen with whom they had to live like troglodytes for months in order to survive.

    I walked across this town quite freely yesterday without soldier, policeman or minder to haunt my footsteps, just two Syrian friends, a camera and a notebook. I sometimes had to clamber across 20-foot-high ramparts, up and down almost sheer walls of earth.

    Happy to see foreigners among them, happier still that the siege is finally over, they are mostly smiling; those whose faces you can see, of course, because a surprising number of Douma’s women wear full-length black hijab.


    I first drove into Douma as part of an escorted convoy of journalists. But once a boring general had announced outside a wrecked council house “I have no information” – that most helpful rubbish-dump of Arab officialdom -- I just walked away.

    Several other reporters, mostly Syrian, did the same. Even a group of Russian journalists – all in military attire – drifted off.


    It was a short walk to Dr Rahaibani. From the door of his subterranean clinic – “Point 200,” it is called, in the weird geology of this partly-underground city – is a corridor leading downhill where he showed me his lowly hospital and the few beds where a small girl was crying as nurses treated a cut above her eye.
    “I was with my family in the basement of my home three hundred metres from here on the night but all the doctors know what happened.

    There was a lot of shelling [by government forces] and aircraft were always over Douma at night -- but on this night, there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived. People began to arrive here suffering from hypoxia, oxygen loss. Then someone at the door, a ‘White Helmet’, shouted ‘Gas!”, and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other.

    Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.”



    Independent Middle East Correspondent Robert Fisk in one of the miles of tunnels hacked beneath Douma by prisoners of Syrian rebels (Yara Ismail)

    Oddly, after chatting to more than 20 people, I couldn’t find one who showed the slightest interest in Douma’s role in bringing about the Western air attacks. Two actually told me they didn’t know about the connection.


    But it was a strange world I walked into. Two men, Hussam and Nazir Abu Aishe, said they were unaware how many people had been killed in Douma, although the latter admitted he had a cousin “executed by Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] for allegedly being “close to the regime”. They shrugged when I asked about the 43 people said to have died in the infamous Douma attack.


    The White Helmets – the medical first responders already legendary in the West but with some interesting corners to their own story – played a familiar role during the battles. They are partly funded by the Foreign Office and most of the local offices were staffed by Douma men. I found their wrecked offices not far from Dr Rahaibani’s clinic. A gas mask had been left outside a food container with one eye-piece pierced and a pile of dirty military camouflage uniforms lay inside one room. Planted, I asked myself? I doubt it. The place was heaped with capsules, broken medical equipment and files, bedding and mattresses.


    Of course we must hear their side of the story, but it will not happen here: a woman told us that every member of the White Helmets in Douma abandoned their main headquarters and chose to take the government-organised and Russian-protected buses to the rebel province of Idlib with the armed groups when the final truce was agreed.


    There were food stalls open and a patrol of Russian military policemen – a now optional extra for every Syrian ceasefire – and no-one had even bothered to storm into the forbidding Islamist prison near Martyr’s Square where victims were supposedly beheaded in the basements. The town’s complement of Syrian interior ministry civilian police – who eerily wear military clothes – are watched over by the Russians who may or may not be watched by the civilians. Again, my earnest questions about gas were met with what seemed genuine perplexity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No WMDs and not even a threat to its neighbours
    ...*cough*...Iran and Kuwait may offer dissenting views...

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    Good old USA, watch out Saudi Arabia you will be next for waging chemical warfare against Yemen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airportwo View Post
    watch out Saudi Arabia you will be next for waging chemical warfare against Yemen
    ...a waste of perfectly good chemicals...

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    (Sigrid Kaag, current minister of The Netherlands)

    Sigrid Kaag (Joint OPCW-UN Mission) on Syria - Press Conference (4 September 2014)

    United Nations - Press conference by Ms. Sigrid Kaag, Special Coordinator of the Joint Mission of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and the United Nations (OPCW-UN) on the chemical weapons programme of the Syrian Arab Republic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    There was no reason to invade Iraq. No WMDs and not even a threat to its neighbours, let alone the US.
    Lots of reason, GW had a hardon for SH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    That's quite funny given that the US, UK and France didn't wait for any "Due Process" in this case.
    They had fair warning and they can't hide what they did, even if the Putin girls choir have their heads in the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Respected journalist...........Robert Fisk
    Aaaah the poolside sleuth rears his ugly head again.

    Added: There is a terrific irony here that one of his most famous pieces was about how disgusting it was of the world to stand by and do nothing while Hafedh Assad massacred the residents of Hama and bulldozed the city over the bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...*cough*...Iran and Kuwait may offer dissenting views...
    In 2003?

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Aaaah the poolside sleuth rears his ugly head again.

    Added: There is a terrific irony here that one of his most famous pieces was about how disgusting it was of the world to stand by and do nothing while Hafedh Assad massacred the residents of Hama and bulldozed the city over the bodies.
    yes harry, you are a terrific irony, thanks for remind us of it again

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    If they've nothing to hide you'd think they'd welcome the OPCW inspectors with open arms.

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