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    Read this article on the Skripals thought it was quite interesting. Apolgies if someone else has posted it and I missed it.

    https://www.gq.com/story/russia-spy-poisoning

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    Excellent article. Assumptions that this was a hit directly ordered by Vlad are extraordinarily naïve- he wasn't a high value, or high profile target. Looks instead like Skripal's extra-curricular consulting activities upset the wrong network.

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    Mr. Skripal's "assistance" to a MI6 officers report delivered to a certain losing ameristani political clique certainly didn't help his life choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    he wasn't a high value, or high profile target.
    It was mentioned in reports soon after the incident that the daughter was really the intended target. I can't figure out why that is the case. Time for a bit more Google-ing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Read this article on the Skripals thought it was quite interesting.
    Easy reading when bored laying on the beach or waiting on a cońnecting flight.

    Nothing new but rather biased to the "highly likely" without ridiculing the following measures and sanctions against Russia beating anything similar at the highest points of Cold War. An explanation for us ordinary people how the GRU handle former spies - in contrast to other spy agencies' kind handling.

    At all such highly publicized - and never really solved deaths that always fulfill certain purpose - "cui bono" - (e.g. Kennedys, MLK, Malcom X, Diana, WTC, you name it) there are always few things that are generously omitted and not further followed, however, perhaps holding the real secret. In this case e.g. the pets at home, another dead Russian spy Glushkov clearly assassinated ("the cause of death given as compression to the neck") - why no big noise about him?

    Why no contact allowed to the Russians (or anybody else, not even to the relatives? The phone call with the cousin says something different than the written declaration of Julia in the beautiful garden...

    Another case how much more stupid stories the "international community" can swallow...

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    WHy would it ridicule Russian sanctions? That was not the topic. You really do struggle with anything that deviates from your pro Russian opinion. I thought it was a well balanced article. It gives fairly valid assumptions that it could have been outside of the Russian Govt.
    The article does mention the British govt did not do enough over the murder of Litvenyenko and sanctions may have been catch up from that incident where the govt reaction was fairly meagre. Your opinion that this is another stupid story that the west has swallowed, despite the untimely death of many ex russian spys in England.
    Please enlighten us with what the "real" story is backed up with verifiable facts. Otherwise dont make ridiculous claims because it doesn't fit your narrative. As to the phone call, is it normal for the cousin to record her phone calls? Do people normally give their full name to their own cousin? The phone call did not say anything other than her cousin was unlikely to get a visa. Julia (if it really is her on the phone) seems to be guarded as one would expect. She no doubt would have been warned that the govt would record the phone conversation. Not wishing to alienate her native country but not willing to take the risk. That also bares out in her interview. This would be natural for someone who does not want to believe it was done by her own govt but unsure who the perpetrators really are.

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    ^Whatever you find ridiculous, not really the sanctions (firing back to ordinary people at any side), all the humbug around.

    Need to bring up Litvinenko? Also highly likely?

    And what about the subsea cable cuts? As I said:

    Another case how much more stupid stories the "international community" can swallow...
    Are you the one "well swallowing"?

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    Look, it was an " insignificant somebodies" opinion. Not worth the bandwidth.

    What's more important is the silence from the MET, are they awaiting May's dismissal? How many 1,000's of man-hours have they spent, at what cost and as of today, absolutely nothing.

    Political interference in a western "democratic", follower of international laws, country. Surely the bubble will burst, but by the time it does nobody will care or be stood before an AA gun, a la DPRK.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    It was mentioned in reports soon after the incident that the daughter was really the intended target. I can't figure out why that is the case. Time for a bit more Google-ing.
    Hows about this?


    Former spy Sergei Skripal’s daughter was the real target of the nerve agent attack that left them both in critical condition, his niece claims in a report.Victoria Skripal claims 33-year-old Yulia Skripal got into a fight with her boyfriend’s mother after announcing that they planned to get married and start a family, The Sun reported.
    The unidentified mom was allegedly furious that her son was about to marry into the family of Sergei Skripal — whom she considered a traitor for spying on the Russian government.
    “My opinion is that it was done not against Uncle Sergei, but against his daughter,” claimed Victoria Skripal, 45.
    “The mother didn’t accept Yulia and thought that if she was a traitor’s daughter, then she herself would betray her country,” she added.
    Skripal, 66, had been convicted for betraying Russian agents to Britain and was sentenced to 13 years in prison. But he was released in a 2010 swap between the US and Russia and has been living in the UK since.
    He was found with his daughter, slumped over on a bench in Salisbury March 4.



    CCTV shows ex-Russian spy and his daughter before they were found unconscious"

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    Yulia Skripal had just landed in London from Moscow March 3 and senior intelligence officials told the Telegraph UK they believed the lethal nerve agent Novichok — which was first developed by the Soviet military — was placed in her suitcase before she left, in an attempt to target her double-agent dad.
    But Sergei Skripal’s niece claimed that poison is usually the weapon of choice for female killers.
    “Women like poisons, they consider this kind of way of reprisal beautiful,” she said.
    The apparent poisoning of the father and daughter comes after the deaths of Sergei Skripal’s wife Liudmila in 2012 and of his 43-year-old son Alexandr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    senior intelligence officials told the Telegraph UK they believed the lethal nerve agent Novichok — which was first developed by the Soviet military — was placed in her suitcase before she left, in an attempt to target her double-agent dad.
    Now could that be in a perfume bottle that two down and outs found and spayed on each other resulting in a womans death?

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    ^At the end of the day, who really cares about such people? (Just the May and her clown?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    who really cares about such people?
    It's about being told the truth. Nothing more nothing less.

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    ^^^ Indeed. It was just their speculation at that time, trying to get a narrative out that suited there desire to lay the blame at Russia's door.

    ^^^^ The future mother-in-law did it seems a really bizarre suggestion. Where on earth would she get hold of it and how would she deliver it? Or did she hire someone else to do it? And what made her think of using Novichock to attempt murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    The future mother-in-law did it seems a really bizarre suggestion. Where on earth would she get hold of it and how would she deliver it? Or did she hire someone else to do it? And what made her think of using Novichock to attempt murder?
    Why have the Future MiL and boyfriend now disappeared?

    Skripal’s fiance has gone into hiding amid claims he works for an organisation with links to Vladimir Putin’s feared intelligence service. Stepan Vikeev and his mother Tatiana Vikeeva have vanished since the attempted murder of double agent Yulia Sergei Skripal and his 33-year-old daughter in Salisbury, according to The Mail on Sunday.
    Moscow security services have claimed that Stepan, 30, worked for a secretive company called the Institute of Modern Security Problems, run by his mother, 61. The organisation is said to be an ‘integral part’ of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB). The newspaper added that sources told them Stepan and Tatiana are being protected by Putin’s agents, which have sparked fears that they may have been involved in the nerve agent attack on March 4.



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    Perhaps there never ever was a future mother-in-law. Perhaps the MIL was just fake news. It's easier for her to "disappear" if she never actually existed.
    Last edited by Neverna; 15-08-2018 at 08:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Perhaps there never ever was a future mother-in-law.
    Maybe there was never boyfriend, as such? It is claimed he was a plant to keep an eye on Skripal's daughter.

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    The plot thickens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    The plot thickens.
    unless another "highly likely" will appear...

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    Confirmation of some chemical weapons availability and Russian proposals to add some to the OPCW database.

    West made a hundred Novichok type agents over years, says Russian Foreign Ministry


    Russian Politics & Diplomacy
    August 22, 16:50 UTC+3

    Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-1201246-jpg

    The Foreign Ministry pointed out it is rather hard to name the country where the type of agent identified in Salisbury had come from

    © AP Photo/Matt Dunham

    MOSCOW, August 22. /TASS/. The Western countries are known to have made at least a hundred chemical agents similar to the Novichok nerve gas since the mid-1990s, as follows from a report published on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s website.

    The Foreign Ministry recalled that on January 13, 1993 Moscow was one of the first to have put its signature to the Chemical Weapons Convention and promptly began its implementation.
    "The elimination of Russia’s chemical weapons was carried out under the strictest international control. This laborious process was completed on September 27, 2017," the Foreign Ministry said. "On October 11, 2017 the director-general of the OPCW’s Secretariat certified the final elimination of chemical weapons in Russia."

    "As far as the compound that has been dubbed Novichok in the Western countries is concerned, its structure was for the first time presented in 1998 in the data base of the American National Standards Institute. The whole family of toxic chemicals that eventually emerged on its basis does not fall under the CWC operation," the Russian Foreign Ministry said. "Some twenty Western countries have conducted research into the substances of the Novichok family since the mid-1990s. They studied means of obtaining them and their harmful effects. Foreign scientific publications contain formulas of no less than a hundred compounds that have a bearing on Novichok agents to this or that extent. The United States alone has issued more than 140 patents somehow related to the protection from and the use of warfare agents of the Novichok family."

    The Foreign Ministry pointed out it is rather hard to name the country where the type of agent identified in Salisbury had come from, bearing in mind the fact the methods of obtaining Novichok family compounds were widely spread in the West.

    "In May 2018, Russia dispatched to the OPCW Secretariat its proposals for complementing the lists of chemical agents under control with about a thousand new compounds," the Foreign Ministry said. "We are certain that such a step would help promote non-proliferation and elimination of chemical weapons.

    More:
    TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - West made a hundred Novichok type agents over years, says Russian Foreign Ministry


    The silence from the MET is becoming deafening.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-1201246-jpg  

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    So 2 known Russian military intelligence officers flew from Moscow to Gatwick. They weren't picked up by UK secret services and they carried with them a bottle of fake perfume filled with Novichok. This story gets better and better.





    How Salisbury 'assassins' used fake perfume bottle of toxic Novichok | Daily Mail Online

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    ^The link does not say what's very important (what at the press conference today was said): The traces of the Novitchok have been found in the hotel room (after 5 months) where the two guys had stayed.

    Interesting is that all the room maids have quitted the job since (always each after one week serve) to become a model... (unbelievably suddenly becoming a beauty queen)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Confirmation of some chemical weapons availability and Russian proposals to add some to the OPCW database.

    West made a hundred Novichok type agents over years, says Russian Foreign Ministry


    Russian Politics & Diplomacy
    August 22, 16:50 UTC+3

    Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-1201246-jpg

    The Foreign Ministry pointed out it is rather hard to name the country where the type of agent identified in Salisbury had come from

    © AP Photo/Matt Dunham

    MOSCOW, August 22. /TASS/. The Western countries are known to have made at least a hundred chemical agents similar to the Novichok nerve gas since the mid-1990s, as follows from a report published on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s website.

    The Foreign Ministry recalled that on January 13, 1993 Moscow was one of the first to have put its signature to the Chemical Weapons Convention and promptly began its implementation.
    "The elimination of Russia’s chemical weapons was carried out under the strictest international control. This laborious process was completed on September 27, 2017," the Foreign Ministry said. "On October 11, 2017 the director-general of the OPCW’s Secretariat certified the final elimination of chemical weapons in Russia."

    "As far as the compound that has been dubbed Novichok in the Western countries is concerned, its structure was for the first time presented in 1998 in the data base of the American National Standards Institute. The whole family of toxic chemicals that eventually emerged on its basis does not fall under the CWC operation," the Russian Foreign Ministry said. "Some twenty Western countries have conducted research into the substances of the Novichok family since the mid-1990s. They studied means of obtaining them and their harmful effects. Foreign scientific publications contain formulas of no less than a hundred compounds that have a bearing on Novichok agents to this or that extent. The United States alone has issued more than 140 patents somehow related to the protection from and the use of warfare agents of the Novichok family."

    The Foreign Ministry pointed out it is rather hard to name the country where the type of agent identified in Salisbury had come from, bearing in mind the fact the methods of obtaining Novichok family compounds were widely spread in the West.

    "In May 2018, Russia dispatched to the OPCW Secretariat its proposals for complementing the lists of chemical agents under control with about a thousand new compounds," the Foreign Ministry said. "We are certain that such a step would help promote non-proliferation and elimination of chemical weapons.

    More:
    TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - West made a hundred Novichok type agents over years, says Russian Foreign Ministry


    The silence from the MET is becoming deafening.
    A Russian state controlled website does a story on a report on another Russian state controlled website, and you think it should be taken seriously.

    You toadying sycophant you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    So 2 known Russian military intelligence officers flew from Moscow to Gatwick. They weren't picked up by UK secret services
    Because it doesn't say they were "known" at the time they were in the UK, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^it appears that ITN have a "scoop".

    Skripal Novichok poisoning suspects ‘identified’


    Police are believed [] to have identified the suspected perpetrators of the Novichok attack on Russian former spy Sergei Skripal.

    Officers think [] several Russians [All sporting large red star lapel badges] were involved in the attempted murder of the former double agent and daughter Yulia in Salisbury and are looking for more than one suspect.

    A source []with knowledge of the investigation told the Press Association: “Investigators believe they have identified the suspected perpetrators of the Novichok attack through CCTV [ ] and have cross-checked this with records of people who entered the country around that time. [ At least they weren't sleepers ]

    Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-mole-png
    They (the investigators) are sure [ ] they (the suspects) are Russian.”

    The news comes [ ] as an inquest is due to open on Thursday for Dawn Sturgess, 44, who died earlier this month, eight days after apparently coming into contact with Novichok from the same batch used [ ] in the attempted murder of the Skripals in March.

    Her partner Charlie Rowley, 45, was left fighting for his life after also being contaminated by the chemical weapon.
    It is understood Ms Sturgess was exposed to at least 10 times the amount of nerve agent the Skripals came into contact with.

    Investigators are working to the theory that the substance was in a discarded perfume bottle found by the couple in a park or somewhere in Salisbury city centre and Ms Sturgess sprayed Novichok straight on to her skin, the source said.

    The Metropolitan Police, who are leading the investigation, declined to comment.


    The inquest will be opened by the Wiltshire and Swindon coroner in Salisbury and the hearing is expected to be adjourned to allow police inquiries to continue.

    On Wednesday, a fingertip search of Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury was carried out.

    The park and other locations in Salisbury and nearby Amesbury were cordoned off last month after the exposure of the couple to the nerve agent.

    Searches of properties could last months after 400 items were recovered, officers warned, while waste and litter will be removed as part of the sweep of public areas.

    Last week counter-terrorism detectives revealed they had found a small bottle containing Novichok at Mr Rowley’s home in Muggleton Road, Amesbury.

    They are trying to establish where the container came from, and how it came to be in his house.

    A team of international experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) was called in to independently verify this.

    They have finished collecting samples which will now be analysed at two OPCW labs before the results are reported back to the UK.

    Public Health England said the risk to the public remains low but it continued to “strongly advise” not to pick up any unknown “strange items” such as syringes, needles, cosmetics or similar objects made of materials such as metal, plastic or glass.

    Last updated Thu 19 Jul 2018

    'Russian suspects identified' from CCTV in Skripal poison attack - ITV News

    Concerned, or not, by loose accusations of Russian people from the "mostly harmless" planet Earth?

    Let us await the comprehensive , OPCW and OPCW chain of control statement, prior to accepting this "opinion" as factual .


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    So these supposed Russian military officers can just walk up to a front door and spray it with Novichok without wearing any protective clothing, and masks, that would draw attention? Yeah right. I'd expect they'd have had to wear similar attire as those that supposedly cleared it up?


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