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    Might as well just rename this thread to "Ohoh's mindless Russian propaganda site reposting thread". There's fuck all else left in the original news item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Might as well just rename this thread to "Ohoh's mindless Russian propaganda site reposting thread".
    How about from UK sites Harry?

    As the Skripal theories abound, I'm reminded of when I visited Iraq at the time of the dodgy dossier
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8259416.html

    Salisbury spy poisoning: Taxpayers foot bill for Sergei Skripal’s contaminated home
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...home-rf6stt79l

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    How about from UK sites Harry?

    As the Skripal theories abound, I'm reminded of when I visited Iraq at the time of the dodgy dossier
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8259416.html

    Salisbury spy poisoning: Taxpayers foot bill for Sergei Skripal’s contaminated home
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...home-rf6stt79l

    See Ohoh? Not hard is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    There's fuck all else left in the original news item.
    Says TD's braggadocious poster (Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queene (1590).

    In some MSM, 100% correct, old news, based on unproven accusations. The mud stuck. Move on too another juicy story regarding johnny foreigner to take ones mind off the lack of citizens money for the NHS but plenty for an expanded military. The plebs here at TD and elsewhere, seem to enjoy eating shit sandwiches, on a daily basis. It reinforces there prejudices.

    The consequences, illegal attacks on foreign soil, diplomatic expulsions and ingrained propaganda are long living items which need to be factually proven. As such much muck was raked to discover only a sewer leading potentially to a UK false flag organised either by the UK government or their masters. There has been no clarification of the Skripal senior's UK handlers at all, along with any iteration in certain dodgy dossier they prepared from some current and past ameristani politicians.

    There is also allegedly, some discussion going on regarding the OPCW's enhanced role in "investigating" and "naming" the culprits of new and past CW attacks. Being pushed I believe by the UK FM.

    TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - Russia ready to counter UK?s OPCW initiative, chief delegate says

    The lack of local coverage now, of the Salisbury affair, only goes to show how managed the local MSM is, either through "hints" from editors or political pressure.

    The awaited report from the MET seems to be one of those "we will get to the bottom of this" as a desirable promise, to "is anybody bovvered" farce. But the UK citizens seems accustomed to a multi year expensive "investigation" concluding no UK PM was culpable in the deaths of 100,000 of Libyan, Iraqi, Syrian or Yemeni civilian deaths.

    All hats and no cattle!
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    what contemporary non fiction books about russia do you recommend ?

    I have recently read " The less you know , the better you sleep." by David Satter

    also "the future is history "by Masha Gessen

    ‘Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible,’ by Peter Pomerantsev

    they all paint a very bleak picture

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    Looking at the reviews of the books I can see why. Did you pick the books after reading the reviews or in some other way?

    When I moved to Thailand permanently and spent more time on TD I realised that there was very little regarding China included and what would be useful was to try a put some information here to balance the scales. That is what I try and do, to some posters enjoyment and to others, utter horror. Russia became involved because they became joined at the hip with China so Russia became part of my enjoyment. I've been putting my head above the parapet for years and can tease with the best.



    Once you accept that all elections are fraudulent you must move on to another means of measuring a countries leaders achievements.

    My personal measure is to compare the officially stated government objectives and their leaders success, in delivering them. In my opinion there are 4 world powers.

    China, EU, Ameristan and Russia. Of those three, ameristan is IMHO,wasting away. The EU has lost it's way and needs to sort it's problems out. China is a young country in terms of only re-entering the world sphere less than 30-40 years ago.

    Russia alone has continued for centuries along it's "chosen" path. Catastrophic problems have been inflicted by itself and upon it by others. But their current partnership with China has forced Russia to asses it's strengths and weaknesses. A future is forming and if China and Russia, along with their existing and potential partners can complete their stated tasks, which currently they are, they will along with those that choose to embrace their views, become dominant.

    Putin has stopped the rot in Russia and is moving Russia forward, Xi and his predecessors have positioned China to become, again, one of the worlds leaders. It will become clear in the next 5 years

    Let's hope they succeed peacefully, everyone knows the alternatives and the previous model, is, was, and will be unacceptable.

    As for the last book I read, it was an analysis of the Japanese 20th century fiction writer, Kajii Motojiro, with English translations of most of his works. It was a pleasure to read the translations and imagine the life in Japan in that time. The analysis, in English, was heavy but the author's style was intoxicating. The book is "The Youth of Things" and it's available on Amazon.

    https://www.amazon.com/Youth-Things-.../dp/0824838408

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    Another Skripals? Mr. Putin, enough is enough...


    POISON FEARS Salisbury rocked AGAIN by potential poisoning as two people left critically ill after being ‘exposed to unknown substance’

    A man and a woman, both in their 40s, are being treated at Salisbury Hospital after being found collapsed nine miles away in Amesbury

    The man and woman, both in their 40s, are being treated at Salisbury Hospital after being were found unconscious at a property in Amesbury, Wiltshire, on Saturday evening.

    Police have declared a major incident and cordoned off areas where they visited before falling ill, including parts of Salisbury - where ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal was poisoned with a nerve agent in March.

    The town was only declared safe in May after being rocked by the nerve agent poisoning which left Skripal and his daughter Yulia fighting for their lives and Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey needing hospital treatment.

    Police say they initially believed the pair found in Amesbury had possibly taken heroin or crack cocaine from a contaminated batch of drugs when they were called to an address in Muggleton Road.

    However, they are both currently receiving treatment for suspected exposure to an unknown substance at Salisbury District Hospital.

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    Probably used the same restaurant the Skripal's used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Another Skripals? Mr. Putin, enough is enough...


    POISON FEARS Salisbury rocked AGAIN by potential poisoning as two people left critically ill after being ‘exposed to unknown substance’

    A man and a woman, both in their 40s, are being treated at Salisbury Hospital after being found collapsed nine miles away in Amesbury

    The man and woman, both in their 40s, are being treated at Salisbury Hospital after being were found unconscious at a property in Amesbury, Wiltshire, on Saturday evening.

    Police have declared a major incident and cordoned off areas where they visited before falling ill, including parts of Salisbury - where ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal was poisoned with a nerve agent in March.

    The town was only declared safe in May after being rocked by the nerve agent poisoning which left Skripal and his daughter Yulia fighting for their lives and Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey needing hospital treatment.

    Police say they initially believed the pair found in Amesbury had possibly taken heroin or crack cocaine from a contaminated batch of drugs when they were called to an address in Muggleton Road.

    However, they are both currently receiving treatment for suspected exposure to an unknown substance at Salisbury District Hospital.
    Jumping the gun a bit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Probably used the same restaurant the Skripal's used.
    Surely it's a government owned estate agents by now.

    They do have a number of desirable residences/commercial premises/hospital wings for sale.

    Skripal seniors, paid off and vanished MI6/ police handler of ex-UK spy's, a shuttered cafe, 2 hectare park in central Salisbury complete with swings, sadly the benches have been destroyed and lastly the graveyard.

    Don't forget the ambulances, helicopter and the hospital wing. They all have a tainted atmosphere attached. Who would want a bed in a ward where "highly likely" traces of an unknown deadly CW linger to strike again in the future.

    Were the latest victims whisked off in the same helicopter?

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    Did the policeman get retired, or does he work alone on his shift?

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    OhOh surprised that the police in Wiltshire taking incident seriously after the last time.

    Film at 11.

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    I'm thinking it is a druid related potion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    I'm thinking it is a druid related potion?
    Or perhaps it is a ley line or rune problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Or perhaps it is a ley line or rune problem.
    It becomes clearer now. Too many magic mushrooms as a lad eh?

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    Police confirm it was novichok novichok. Weird https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rgency-meeting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Police confirm it was novichok
    If at first you don't succeed...try try again.

    Novichok...deadliest nerve agent ever.

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    Apparently a 'park' (coincidence?) has been sealed off in this case also. Are 'parks' the crucial links in both these cases?

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    Putin strikes again, etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    Putin strikes again, etc....
    Or that dodgy seafood restaurant the Skripal's visited.

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    Case solved. The couple bought Skripal’s comfort blanket from a charity shop.

    From The Guardian article.


    Hobson said he and the couple spent time in Queen Elizabeth Gardens on Friday. “We were having a drink and chilling in the sun,” he said.They visited a number of shops, including a Boots chemist to buy red, white and blue dye for their hair to show their support for the England football team, a mobile phone shop, and a store to buy alcohol. They bought food and visited a charity shop to buy a blanket to sit on.

    Hobson visited Rowley’s home in Muggleston Road on Saturday morning. Sturgess, who lives in Salisbury, had spent the night there. “I saw lots of ambulances there and [Sturgess] got taken out on a stretcher. She needed to be helped with her breathing,” Hobson said. Rowley came out in tears. “They said she needed to have a brain scan.”

    After she was taken to hospital Hobson and Rowley went to Boots in Amesbury. Later they went to a hog roast at the local baptist church. Both the chemist and the church have been sealed off. Police have also cordoned off Raleigh Garden Green, where the hog roast took place on Saturday afternoon.

    Hobson said: “We went back to his place after the hog roast. We were going up to the hospital. Then he started sweating. His T-shirt was soaking wet. He got up and started rocking against the wall. His eyes were wide open and red, his pupils were like pinpricks. He began garbling incoherently and I could tell he was hallucinating. He was making weird noises and acting like a zombie. I phoned an ambulance.”

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    The obvious link to both poisoning cases is 'FOOD'. Both cases happened after eating. Case solved. Where's Harry?

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    It should be noted that Novichok is not in itself a poison, nerve agent, but a generic name for a group of nerve agents.
    So 2 people said to be poisoned by Novichok may well have been in contact with different poisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    So 2 people said to be poisoned by Novichok may well have been in contact with different poisons.
    Some forms of food poisoning show very similar symptoms to nerve agent poisoning.

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    Mr Basu said that around 100 detectives from the Counter Terrorism Policing Network are now working on this investigation, alongside colleagues from Wiltshire Police.
    The semi is the middle of next week (assuming Croatia and Sweden are seen off).



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8431711.html

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