Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

Originally Posted by sabang

Putin said it best- if this was a professionally carried out hit, they would have died on the spot. This is something different- but i don't pretend to know what.
The Russian mafia(s) have carried out several assassinations involving nerve agents. Why would Putin direct such an amateurish effort at such a low value target?

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Exactly.

Quite.

The Russian mafia(s) have carried out several assassinations involving nerve agents. Why would Putin direct such an amateurish effort at such a low value target?

1. Not in the UK they haven't. The last time they used a Polonium cuppa, remember?
2. Perhaps you forgot Putin's not-so-veiled threat to kill people caught spying against Russia around the time Skripal was swapped.

Hey Sherlock, why are you on TD, you should work for Scotland Yard since you know everything without a shred of evidence

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Hey Sherlock, why are you on TD, you should work for Scotland Yard since you know everything without a shred of evidence

It's a sickness, is it curable?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

remember?

Another unproven, in a court of law before a jury, fairytale.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

to kill

"To kill" or "to forgive", a Russian source if you are able to find your reference?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Another unproven, in a court of law before a jury, fairytale.

That's the only place it hasn't been proven because Putin is obstructing justice.

"To kill" or "to forgive", a Russian source if you are able to find your reference?

"Traitors will kick the bucket" he said.

Where I come from that doesn't mean you'll be forgiven.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

"Traitors will kick the bucket" he said.

Where I come from that doesn't mean you'll be forgiven.

And where I come from it's all down to interpretation. Believe what you want Harry.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...ssinated/40911

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

will kick the bucket

Everybody "kicks the bucket" if that is what he said. It's not a term I suspect he would use. Was The Sun your source?

How does that fact incriminate THE LORD, personally? Please don't say he's an advisor to the Gods.

Originally Posted by OhOh

It's not a term I suspect he would use.

Indeed it isn't.

The quote (in English) however doesn't directly imply anything beyond holding a grudge, and is not exactly an overt threat. It could be interpreted to be an implied threat, but that point is quite subjective.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...ssinated/40911

I went to your linked site after I had last posted. It seems 'arry source was The Sun. Better known for it's page 3 spreads.

It's remarkable how every single comment on that site is basically sucking up to Putin.

No doubt OhOh has already bookmarked it.

Originally Posted by OhOh

What in earth for?

One poster ask a descent question and three posters reply factually, very fully. Must be because the answers didn't fit your own.


Hardly MSM propaganda site in any way. Or are you a MK fan, if it doesn't have 2.5m idiots arguing with each other, similar to Zero hedge, it's not a reliable source?

So yes then.

It appears that BBC Newsnight had a programme out Yulia and her father:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0b52781/newsnight-29052018

Some, alleged, snippets from RT:

"The evening that Yulia and Sergei were admitted, at that point we were led to believe that they have taken an overdose, so there was no mention of nerve agent poisoning," Sarah Clark, ward sister in charge of the shift on March 4, told BBC2's Newsnight in an interview broadcast on Tuesday. "They were needing their support with their breathing and support with their cardiovascular system."

"At first, when they first came in, there was no indication of the fact that it was a nerve agent. And therefore, we take our normal protection when any patient comes in but would have not at that point taken any extra precaution in terms of protecting ourselves," Clark said.'

Things at the hospital began to slowly change when police told the medical staff on Monday morning that they were dealing with victims of a potential "targeted attack." Dr. Duncan Murray, the hospital's senior intensive care consultant, recalled how he discovered the identity of the Skripals at "six o'clock on a Monday morning," while Cara Charles Barks, chief executive at the hospital, said that only by 10am was the case declared an "external incident."

"While the Skripals were first admitted to the hospital on Sunday evening, it was not until Tuesday that doctors realized they were seeing "symptoms typical of organophosphate" or nerve agent poisoning, the BBC investigation claims. This suspicion arose after Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, one of the officers who had attended the scene but whose fate was not part of the BBC report, was admitted with "similar" symptoms."

One wonders who told the medical staff or determined the "overdose" scenario, started them off on that treatment course and how many UK hospital doctors know what the symptoms of CW are and how to treat a suspected CW patient? Or did the police, with no medical knowledge of the case get a tip off from high/informed PD specialist , or just guess?

I suppose being in Salisbury, just down the road from PD, they had some contact generally.Convenient eh?

^The implication being that a CW wasn’t suspected until the identity of the victims was revealed. The hypothesis of the crime was then tailored to fit the victims.

looks like Ukraine can stage fake murders, but they got caught by the FSB and they had to come out

Harry is on the case

Originally Posted by Begbie

^The implication being that a CW wasn’t suspected until the identity of the victims was revealed. The hypothesis of the crime was then tailored to fit the victims.

Translation: the crime wasn't attributed until they identified the toxin as a Russian special.

Pity all the doctors and nurses, their life is surely not so easy... (Also new identity?)

Originally Posted by Begbie

The question then is why did the security services concoct the Novichok story?

Cuz they jumped the gun. Now they're left with egg on their faces and it's proving hard to remove it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

they identified the toxin as a Russian specia

Which PD keeps a handy stockpile locally.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

their life is surely not so easy

Lots of available beds for a snooze or illicit romps. Wais from the serfs.

Originally Posted by Begbie

why did the security services concoct the Novichok story

To get rid of Maggie May?

Originally Posted by Begbie

I’m sure most people would agree with that being the likeliest explanation. The question then is why did the security services concoct the Novichok story? I suspect it’s a symptom of the incompetence that characterizes the upper echelons of government in the UK. Once they’d made the hasty and poorly supported CW claim, they were too stupid to retract it.

So all of those medical workers that treated them for months don't know the difference between shellfish poisoning and nerve agents.

And I suppose they were the only two people that had shellfish at a seafood restaurant that day.

My god you lot love clinging to your fairy stories, don't you?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So all of those medical workers that treated them for months don't know the difference between shellfish poisoning and nerve agents.

Harry the symptoms of PSP is exactly the same for Novichok contamination. Where as the Novichok will kill you within minutes, as Mr Putin said, PSP patients are placed on respirators and heart drugs and then await for the PSP to pass through their system. Novichok does not pass through the system. With PSP you can survive. Novichok you can't.