Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

Originally Posted by OhOh

we believe the Skripals first came into contact with the nerve agent from their front door.

Nerve agent kills within minutes of skin contact. Not a couple of hours later.

Novichoks were designed to be more toxic than other chemical weapons, so some versions would begin to take effect rapidly - in the order of 30 seconds ...

An arcticle which lays out exactly the relationship between the UK Gov. Porton Down, Ukranie Gov. and ameristan Gov. continuing in"assiting each other" by experimenting with various chemical and biological weapons of mass detruction on animals and humans.

Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack Reveals $70 Million Pentagon Program at Porton Down

Posted on March 28, 2018Natural Health News

"The Pentagon has spent at least $70 million on military experiments involving tests with deadly viruses and chemical agents at Porton Down – the UK military laboratory near the city of Salisbury. The secretive biological and chemical research facility is located just 13 km from where on 4th March former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found slumped on a bench following an alleged Novichok nerve agent poisoning."

Innumerable contracts, secret agreements, government orders, reports ...

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/03...n-program.html

A selection:

Utilising the London Underground System for "research".

"2013 DSTL, ANL, LBNL, BNL Dft (UK), DHS5 PFTs, SF6 Urea London Underground Liquid aerosol droplet, lack of sensitivity/specificity


https://data.gov.uk/data/contracts-finder-archive/contract/261565/


https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Env%20Assessment%2C%20DHS%20S%26T%2C%20NYC%20Subwa y%20UTR.PDF



Testing VX gas optained from Syria by OPCW.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991253/


ameristani contracts with Porton Down.

https://govtribe.com/contract/award/...0%3B100&page=2

https://govtribe.com/contract/idv/hdtra112d0003

https://govtribe.com/project/ukdstl-...n-and-exchange

https://govtribe.com/contract/idv/hdtra112d0003

Experimental respiratory anthrax infection in the common marmoset (Callithrix jacchus) similar with Ebola. Interesting that the male victim had these types of animals at his home.



Guinea pigs were found in the house of the poisoned ex-spy in Salisbury, just a few kilometers away from Porton Down, where such guinea pigs were used for nerve agent chemical tests.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3607144/


https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/212/suppl_2/S336/2194364


Porton Down: Animal Experiments:Written question - 43677 - UK Parliamenthttps://www.gov.uk/government/upload...2017-04492.pdf

ameristani collusion with Ukraine in the CW area.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/organization/95251.pdf

.......... and on and on and on. Not a clean hand to be found. I suspect others have similar unknown agreements.

But hopefully all known by OPCW and recorded there one presumes.

One wonders how a governments leader could suggest that there is only one sources of an "unknown" chemical weapon and accuse a country of an act of war.

Originally Posted by OhOh

One wonders

...to date, the wonderers are in a vanishing minority, dearest rtOhOh...

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Nerve agent kills within minutes of skin contact. Not a couple of hours later.

Take it up with the Met.

Some highly educated, trained to act and perform in an emergency, and yet appear to be very gullible. It takes training to stand up with a straight face and lie, all for a few more moments to breath. Well, that's what he was promised by his mistress.

But understanding facts ..........

Originally Posted by Neo

OhOh: the hysteria

...ftfy...

A drop of nerve agent, the size of a pinhead, will kill a buffalo in 4 minutes. The shit reportedly used in this story has killed nobody, as yet. One person, policeman, has recovered miraculously. And yet this agent, in this case, has been found all over the place, from the Ruskies house, their cars aircon, the restaurants etc and seems to have been liberally used. If all this was/is true there should be people dying in their thousands being as nerve agent can be wind spread. This story is bullshit.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

This story is bullshit.

Of course it is mate.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...ftfy...

Any opinion?

The Kiwis are beached as bro,With Western countries tossing out Russian spies or if they are not sure,just bad Russian drivers connected to their embassies,
the Kiwis weren't able to find any spies,bit sad for world standings bragging rights.

Wait for all the fish dying in the river and the rooks waiting on the telephone wires.

Originally Posted by OhOh

UPDATE: Salisbury investigation

News • Mar 28, 2018 20:19 BST




"Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon, Senior National Coordinator for Counter Terrorism Policing said: “At this point in our investigation, we believe the Skripals first came into contact with the nerve agent from their front door. We are therefore focusing much of our efforts in and around their address. Those living in the Skripals’ neighbourhood can expect to see officers carrying out searches as part of this but I want to reassure them that the risk remains low and our searches are precautionary."

Fortunately the Skripals front door has been guarded by a Chemical Weapons expert wearing protective gear, oh wait.....

Chinese comment:

Russian diplomat expulsions signal crude side of Western intention

The West is only a small fraction of the world and is nowhere near the global representative it once thought it was. The silenced minorities within the international community need to realize this and prove just how deep their understanding is of such a realization by proving it to the world through action. With the Skripal case, the general public does not know the truth, and the British government has yet to provide a shred of evidence justifying their allegations against Russia.

It is firmly believed that accusations levied by one country to another that are not the end results of a thorough and professional investigation should not be encouraged. Simultaneously expelling diplomats is a form of uncivilized behavior that needs to be abolished immediately.

Russian diplomat expulsions signal crude side of Western intention - Global Times

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Global Times

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The daughter is now said to be conscious, so how is this possible?

conventional nerve agent antidotes may not work.

At the right doses, nerve agents can kill within five to 15 minutes, says chemical weapons expert Mark Bishop at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey. But the Novichok agents are thought to be even more dangerous and deadly; Mirzayanov claimsthat Novichok-5, for example, can be five to eight times more potent than VX.So the fact that the Skripals are still alive means that “it must have been low dose, or impure, or not administered in a really efficient way,” Bishop tells The Verge. “Because it doesn’t take very much of a nerve agent to be fatal.”
Treating Novichok poisoning is also “practically impossible,”according to the Handbook of Toxicology of Chemical Warfare Agents. For other nerve agents, the treatment is usually diazepam or Valium to stave off seizures, and atropine, which helps dry up the secretions that could choke or drown a nerve gas victim, Chai tells The Verge. That buys a little time for another drug called pralidoxime, or 2-PAM, to prevent the nerve agent from permanently shutting off that key enzyme. But Novichok agents might have more ways of harming people, according to the Handbook: “Consequently, conventional nerve agent antidotes may not work.”
“IT DOESN’T TAKE VERY MUCH OF A NERVE AGENT TO BE FATAL.”
It’s surprising to see Novichok surface in 2018, not least because Russia was supposed to have destroyed its 39,967 metric tons of chemical weapons by September 2017, according to the international organization that oversees the chemical weapons ban. The British prime minister has demanded that Moscow release information about the Novichok program, so it’s possible that we could soon learn more about these nerve agents.
Bishop, however, says not to bet on it: “The Russians are really good at keeping secrets.”

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/14/1...soning-england

Originally Posted by tomcat

......

As usually, you do not disappoint, a good comment...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

a good comment

...wish I could say more, but your "sources" are a laugh a minute...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

As usually, you do not disappoint

The irony is on you not TC.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The daughter is now said to be conscious, so how is this possible?

Don't expect the mainstream media to question their own narrative.

Opinion has been formed, the sheeple have been fed.. time for another crisis, next

Kim Jong-nam was carrying 12 vials of nerve agent antidote when he got poisoned. Didn't help him did it?

Lots of different variants of nerve agent Pragmatic and different variants of Novichok. Have they found out how the agent was administered? It could have been a weaker variant in powder form.

I'm open minded, I doubt the girl will ever make a full recovery if it was a nerve agent. That doesn't mean she won't be fit enough to leave hospital just that she'll have permanent damage to the nervous system.

Grey skies, leafless trees, 1.0 L mini saloon, grubby brick along with plastic doors and windows.

How do people live in such conditions

Originally Posted by tomcat

...wish I could say more, but your "sources" are a laugh a minute...

Whatever the "source" is, the mathematics is correct, isn't it? "The West is only a small fraction of the world".
What do "your sources" say?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Grey skies, leafless trees, 1.0 L mini saloon, grubby brick along with plastic doors and windows.

How do people live in such conditions

You can see inside the house here (link below) - as it was before Skripal lived there. Bought for 260,000 in 2011.

House Price History

And Google street map view (link below). It looks OK. Nothing grand, but OK.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.07...7i13312!8i6656