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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    You seem to be confusing Putin with American foreign policy over the last 30 years.

    Russia wants to trade and be economically viable but ever since they got rid of the alcoholic US puppet Yeltsin the West or rather the US has decided that Russia is some big bad enemy again and let's all have a new cold war.
    What stops them trading and being economically viable then?

    Oh, would that be the sanctions for their constant breaches of international law and standards such as state sponsored hacking and invading neighbouring countries/propping up genocidal dictators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What stops them trading and being economically viable then?

    Oh, would that be the sanctions for their constant breaches of international law and standards such as state sponsored hacking and invading neighbouring countries/propping up genocidal dictators?
    Against the "moderate rebels" backed by our lot, you mean?

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    ol' harry getting all frothy at the mouth.. such a boner for Putin

    Unless it was some bizarre suicide pact it has the makings of a false flag op.. crank up the Russiaphobia and get rid of a costly ex-useful asset at the same time.


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    Perhaps he choked on a pie sent to the orphans of Salisbury re-sold at Zizzi's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Against the "moderate rebels" backed by our lot, you mean?
    The ones he's been sneakily bombing the shit out of in addition to IS, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    ol' harry getting all frothy at the mouth.. such a boner for Putin

    Unless it was some bizarre suicide pact it has the makings of a false flag op.. crank up the Russiaphobia and get rid of a costly ex-useful asset at the same time.


    Mentions frothing at the mouth.

    Comes out with Alex Jones style "It's a false flag!" conspiracy theory.




    Of course our resident harmless loon might be right and they just ate the wrong pie.

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    Police officers have confirmed that a nerve agent was used in an attempt to kill former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

    A police officer who responded to the incident is also seriously ill.
    Well that narrows down the suspect list.




    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8244571.html

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    I am Kier Pritchard, Temporary Chief Constable of Wiltshire Police.
    As you are aware, the Counter Terrorism Policing network are leading the investigation concerning a man and a woman who were taken seriously ill in Salisbury on Sunday.
    This has now been declared as a major incident involving attempted murder by the administration of a nerve agent.
    https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/arti...major-incident

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    Who dunnit? North Koreans? Israelis? Mafia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Who dunnit? North Koreans? Israelis? Mafia?

    Those luxury loft conversions don't come cheap

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    Britain says former Russian spy poisoned with nerve agent

    SALISBURY, England (Reuters) - A nerve agent was used to deliberately poison a former Russian double agent and his daughter, Britain’s top counter-terrorism officer said on Wednesday, in a case that threatens to further damage London’s ties with Moscow.

    Sergei Skripal, once a colonel in Russia’s GRU military intelligence service, and his 33-year-old daughter, Yulia, were found slumped unconscious on a bench outside a shopping center in the southern English city of Salisbury on Sunday afternoon.


    Both remain critically ill and a police officer who attended the scene is also in a serious condition in hospital.


    “This is being treated as a major incident involving attempted murder by administration of a nerve agent,” London Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley told reporters. “I can also confirm that we believe the two people originally who became unwell were targeted specifically.”


    Rowley said government scientists had identified the specific nerve agent but he would not say what it was because it was part of the investigation. He also declined to give any details about how it was administered to Skripal, 66, and his daughter.


    England’s chief medical officer said the incident posed a low risk to the wider public but anyone feeling unwell was advised to seek medical advice.


    While Rowley would not say any more about the investigation, a U.S. security source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the main line of police inquiry was that Russians may have used the substance against Skripal in revenge for his treachery.


    Skripal betrayed dozens of Russian agents to British intelligence before his arrest by Russian authorities in 2004.


    He was sentenced to 13 years in prison in 2006 after a secret trial and in 2010 was given refuge in Britain after being exchanged for Russian spies caught in the West as part of a Cold War-style spy swap at Vienna airport.


    On Tuesday, British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said if Moscow were behind the incident then Britain could look again at sanctions and take other measures to punish Russia, which he cast as a “malign and disruptive” state.


    Russia denied any involvement, scolded Johnson for “wild” comments and said anti-Russian hysteria was being whipped up intentionally to damage relations with London.


    “It’s very hard not to assess this (speculation) as provocative black PR designed to complicate relations between our two countries,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told reporters in Moscow on Wednesday.


    Malcolm Sperrin, a professor at the Institute of Physics and Engineering in Medicine, said nerve agents could cause heart failure, respiratory arrest, twitching or spasms.


    “I’m not aware of a nerve agent having been used in this way previously,” he said.


    Britain has specifically drawn parallels with the 2006 murder of ex-KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko who was killed with the radioactive polonium-210 in London.



    Russia denied involvement in the death of Litvinenko, which the British inquiry said had been hatched by the Federal Security Service (FSB), main successor to the Soviet-era KGB.


    Litvinenko’s murder sent Britain’s ties with Russia to what was then a post-Cold War low. Relations suffered further from Russia’s annexation of Crimea and its military backing for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.


    Former British defense minister Michael Fallon called for a stronger response if it turned out that Russia had been involved in the Skripal affair.


    “We’ve got to respond more effectively than we did last time over Litvinenko. Our response then clearly wasn’t strong enough,” Fallon told Reuters. “We need to deter Russia from believing they can get away with attacks like this on our streets if it’s proved.”


    The British capital has been dubbed “Londongrad” due to the large quantities of Russian money which have poured in since the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union. It is the Western city of choice for many oligarchs from the former Soviet Union.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1GJ0SX

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Comes out with Alex Jones style "It's a false flag!" conspiracy theory.
    I don't need to be a tin foil wing bat to question why Russia would carry out such a blatantly public attempt at murder at a time when relations between Russia and the West are so tense. If Russia really want him dead then a midnight burglary with blunt force trauma would suffice.

    Why would Russia attempt to kill him and his daughter in broad daylight with nerve agent? Its just too outlandish and clearly has created much hysteria. This attempted murder gains Russia nothing and only escalates anti Russian rhetoric. Who gains from that?

    You don't believe the American lapdog is willing to murder people to demonize its enemies and maintain US/UK hegemony.?
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    It would seem more likely Skirpal's Russian former co-workers would have done it. The people he betrayed would have plenty reason to settle their grudge with or without permission from high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    I don't need to be a tin foil wing bat to question why Russia would carry out such a blatantly public attempt at murder

    [...]

    You don't believe the American lapdog is willing to murder people to demonize its enemies and maintain US/UK hegemony.?
    Err...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    why Russia would carry out such a blatantly public attempt at murder
    maybe , just maybe , it is a warning to others

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    maybe , just maybe , it is a warning to others
    And Putin playing his usual game of saying all the other countries are looking for excuses to have a go at Russia and he's the only one who can keep them at bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    It would seem more likely Skirpal's Russian former co-workers would have done it. The people he betrayed would have plenty reason to settle their grudge with or without permission from high.
    I doubt any of them would use what is clearly a state produced nerve agent without it being sanctioned from above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I don't need to be a tin foil wing bat
    Oh I know, you can do it for fun as well.

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    Sems only 2 possible perps

    Putin or MI6, he was of no further use as a grass , murdering him in public and pointing finger at the Russians to keep uncle Sam happy as the isles sink into a no mates sunset.I doubt we'll ever know, Steele, Trump will all be thrown into the mix to muddy the waters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    maybe , just maybe , it is a warning to others
    Those 'others' would infer just as much from a break in and beating to death. Clearly from the outcome this is aimed at provoking maximum hysteria among the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    It would seem more likely Skirpal's Russian former co-workers would have done it. The people he betrayed would have plenty reason to settle their grudge with or without permission from high.
    A rare moment of lucidity from the Voice of America.

    Listen up Harry, your master has spoken

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    At least, it makes our brains busy - and our thought and prayers - so not to think about other hundreds awful deaths at other side of world - not being investigated by Scotland Yard and and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    A rare moment of lucidity from the Voice of America.

    Listen up Harry, your master has spoken
    See my response above you grovelling putin apologist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I don't need to be a tin foil wing bat to question why Russia would carry out such a blatantly public attempt at murder at a time when relations between Russia and the West are so tense. If Russia really want him dead then a midnight burglary with blunt force trauma would suffice.
    You really are an idiot.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    maybe , just maybe , it is a warning to others


    That is how mafioso crime hits work. Anyone that thinks Russia is anything other than a nation ruled by a mafia cabal is an idiot. (see above)

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    How heart-breaking from the Brits. They usually hate Russians, however, not the residing oligarchs and not the spies defecting

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