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    Army chief calls for investment to keep up with Russia

    Britain's ability to respond to military threats from Russia will be "eroded" without further investment, the head of the Army has said.


    Russian hostility could come sooner than expected and Britain must prepare to "fight the war we might have to fight", General Sir Nick Carter added.


    The speech - approved by Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson - comes amid speculation of potential defence cuts.


    The warning comes after Russia has practised simulated attacks in Europe.
    In the speech, at the Royal United Services Institute, Gen Carter highlighted Russia's new cyber warfare capabilities.


    He also spoke about Russian long-range missile strike capability, which he said was demonstrated in Syria when 26 missiles were deployed from a 1,500km (930 mile) range.


    'On Europe's doorstep'

    Gen Carter said Russia was building an increasingly aggressive expeditionary force and the potential military threats to the UK "are now on Europe's doorstep".


    He said the Kremlin already boasted an "eye-watering quantity of capability" - a level the UK would struggle to match.


    Gen Carter stressed that Britain "must take notice of what is going on around us" or that the ability by the UK to take action will be "massively constrained".


    "Rather like a chronic contagious disease, it will creep up on us, and our ability to act will be markedly constrained - and we'll be the losers of this competition," he said.


    He said he did "not in any way" want to suggest that Russia would go to war in the traditional sense, but that Moscow "could initiate hostilities sooner than we expect".


    "I don't think it will start with little green men, it will start with something we don't expect. We should not take what we have seen so far as a template for the future.".


    It comes as the Russian army conducted large scale military exercises last yearon home soil, in Belarus and in the Russian territory of Kaliningrad - which is sandwiched between Nato members Poland and Lithuania.


    It was one of Russia's biggest military exercises since its 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula.


    Prime Minister Theresa May's spokesman said the UK's 36bn annual defence budget meant the government was addressing the range of threats from "a position of strength".


    However, Labour shadow defence secretary Nia Griffith said she was sure Gen Carter would have tried to make his case behind closed doors but had gone public as a "last resort".


    She added that if voicing concerns over funding made the prime minister and the chancellor "wake up", it would have been worth "making the fuss".




    MORE. Army chief calls for investment to keep up with Russia - BBC News

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    ^ Wow, what a threat.

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    He thinks the U.K. will have to go at it alone?

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    Not to worry. The EU will protect them.

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    Just trying to bump up his budget innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    "I don't think it will start with little green men, it will start with something we don't expect."
    but he knows that he needs a bigger budget to counter this unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The warning comes after Russia has practised simulated attacks in Europe.
    And NATO doesn't ??

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    The army has launched this initiative because the superannuated blimps in their MOD offices guarding their rank of General closer than a hyena over a freshly scavenged carcass are truly pissed off that they are in the firing line for redundancy. The RN have their new ships and aircraft carriers, the RAF their new whizzo F99zs but the poor old boys in khaki are getting fuck all except streamlining and more cavalry helicopter attack stuff that simply do not command the large budgets and extra regiments that they crave.
    Citing the old enemy in the east European theatre is just a pitiful throw of the die for a general going nowhere. Tanks and boots on the ground are simply not needed in the numbers these old tuskers want.

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    Watch out for the red bogey men!!

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    They always resort back to Russia as a scare tactic! what happened to the Iranian and North Korea nukes, no need to be scared of them anymore or dropping dead from some weird and wonderful new flu?

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    Heard this bellend on the radio talking about this. the man is certifiable - literally off his head. Probably foaming at the mouth thinking about getting involved with a ground war against Russia.

    I hope it was enough to stop any more young poor lads and lasses signing up to join the forces.
    "It's a small place so don't tell porkies"

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    It's interesting that the BBC seems to have removed the article they published yesterday or 2 days ago on the same topic and replaced it with the one in the OP. The original aricle mentioned making a pre-emptive against Russia. Funny how they have removed that.
    Last edited by Neverna; 23-01-2018 at 02:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    mentioned making a pre-emptive against Russia. Funny how they have remoed that.
    They do that a lot - they know that most people only look at head lines, so when someone like yourself start telling everyone the BBC mentioned preemptive strike against Russia, people call you a loony. But they start the conversation of "should we".... which is a trick straight out of the Tavistock Institute.

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    I'm pretty sure the original BBC article also had the general call Russia the enemy. Alas, no way to prove it now. Again. (I've noticd the BBC do that quite a few times).

    Anyway, these articles by Reuters and the FT mention pre-emption but don't specify Russia wrt pre-emptive strikes.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1FB1FF

    https://www.ft.com/content/727c4224-...0-9c0ad2d7c5b5
    Last edited by Neverna; 23-01-2018 at 06:28 PM. Reason: capital A
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^ Wow, what a threat.
    The usual imaginary threat.
    If not the traditional players, they'd dream up other boogiemen to justify their existence and false prowess.

    Historic cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    they'd dream up other boogiemen to justify their existence and false prowess.

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    The Frogs will protect us if there is any problem, it's their turn after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    alas, no way to prove it now
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180501...ws/uk-42770208

    In here somewhere. You can see the changes they've made. Hover over yesterdays date and click the times to get the changes.

    Gen Carter stressed that Britain "must take notice of what is going on around us" or that the ability by the UK to take action will be "massively constrained".

    "Rather like a chronic contagious disease, it will creep up on us, and our ability to act will be markedly constrained - and we'll be the losers of this competition," he said.


    He said he did "not in any way" want to suggest that Russia would go to war in the traditional sense, but that Moscow "could initiate hostilities sooner than we expect".


    "I don't think it will start with little green men, it will start with something we don't expect. We should not take what we have seen so far as a template for the future.".
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180122...ws/uk-42770208

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    ^ Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    They do that a lot - they know that most people only look at head lines, so when someone like yourself start telling everyone the BBC mentioned preemptive strike against Russia, people call you a loony. But they start the conversation of "should we".... which is a trick straight out of the Tavistock Institute.
    The continuing consumptive ideals, analyst, and theoretical practices of war, promoting war, and praise of militarism among the empire-inspired states is terribly good for business - not the activity itself, but the talk of it.
    Think about it.
    As such [un]civilisations are historically laced with the intuitive romancing and championing of war and militarism.
    To quote Chris Hedges: "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" ​would be quite appropriate.

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    Russia isn't our enemy, perhaps a better idea would be for NATO to stick to previous agreements with Russia and stop provoking them at every opportunity. It's not Russia bombing Western cities or driving vehicles into crowds of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Russia isn't our enemy, perhaps a better idea would be for NATO to stick to previous agreements with Russia and stop provoking them at every opportunity. It's not Russia bombing Western cities or driving vehicles into crowds of people.
    Your deepest soul requires an invented enemy/boogieman.

    Pathetically dumbed-down, like most.

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    Disband NATO.

    NATO only exists to start wars of aggression now, and to rattle Russia.

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    Few hours ago I have here a proposal for the kind General, to de-dust Operation Northwood - such a good plan how to invoke a war (even not fully executed - scraped by JFK). The documents were de-dusted (de-classified) recently after 40 years, however, on TD even the wiki about that I have mentioned is still non-grata.

    I know obviously off topic since about friendly relations with Cuba...

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