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    VW Dieselgate

    VW executive Oliver Schmidt sentenced to seven years in jail over Dieselgate
    Former Volkswagen executive Oliver Schmidt has been handed down a seven-year prison sentence in a US court, after pleading guilty to charges stemming from his role in the German carmaker's emissions-cheating scandal.

    Schmidt, who led the German automaker's US regulatory compliance office from 2012 to March 2015, was sentenced to seven years in jail and a $400,000 (339,140) fine on charges of fraud conspiracy and violating the US Clean Air Act.
    In a deal with prosecutors, Schmidt earlier agreed to enter a guilty plea in exchange for a lesser sentence. As a result, prosecutors dropped the most serious charge of wire fraud, which would have carried a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison.
    Prosecutors said Schmidt had played a role in lying to US regulators once questions were raised about the cars, before the company finally admitted the wrongdoing.

    Oliver Schmidt is the second VW executive jailed in the German carmaker's Dieselgate scandal in which the company installed devices to intentionally cheat diesel emissions tests.
    VW admitted in 2015 to equipping about 11 million cars worldwide with the defeat devices, including about 600,000 vehicles in the United States.

    VW executive Oliver Schmidt sentenced to seven years in jail over Dieselgate | Business | DW | 06.12.2017

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    ^ If he did not plead guilty he would get 169 years in jail...

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    This is why F1 will never make it in the US. VW didn't cheat they simply were clever and came up with a clever way to pass a test that was constant and never changed. The US Environmental Protection Agency were caught asleep at the switch and should accept some responsibility for not being clever enough to keep up with modern technology. The EPA thought everyone would do it their way.

    F1? The FIA rules tell you what you can't do. Indy car rules tell you exactly what you can do. A fundamental philosophical difference is how people act and behave. The Germans weren't playing ball the American way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    This is why F1 will never make it in the US.
    WTF has this got to do with it?

    They knew what they were doing, they were selling illegal cars basically, so tough shit.

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    I only hope and trust that all the vehicles servicing the peaceful Middle East operations do not emit harmful substances for the local population.
    And in fact, neither the vehicles driving on the homeland roads...

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    Yup they were cheating, and so did loads of other carbrands.

    The new Teslatruck also can't do 600 km on a full charged battery, it's more like 450 km. So will he be next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cando View Post
    Yup they were cheating, and so did loads of other carbrands.

    The new Teslatruck also can't do 600 km on a full charged battery, it's more like 450 km. So will he be next?
    Why would he be?


    After focusing on the cost of operation instead of the purchase price during the unveiling event last week, Tesla has now released what it refers to as the “expected price” of the Tesla Semi electric trucks.
    The company is listing pricing significantly lower than what we and even the most aggressive forecasts in the industry put forward.
    Regular production versions for the
    300-mile and 500-mile range versions will be $150,000 and $180,000 respectively, while the company is also listing a ‘Founders Series’ version for $200,000.
    People keep knocking him and he keeps delivering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    They knew what they were doing, they were selling illegal cars basically, so tough shit.
    The USA have always made import laws such that their own industry is protected. VW were playing the game and got caught. They should have just put their hands up instead of trying to lie their way of of it.

    Meanwhile, it's bloody difficult getting any US cars or spares into Germany at the moment according to friends. They are having to go through a lot more hoops than normal as well as extra import duties to get spares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The USA have always made import laws such that their own industry is protected. VW were playing the game and got caught. They should have just put their hands up instead of trying to lie their way of of it.

    Meanwhile, it's bloody difficult getting any US cars or spares into Germany at the moment according to friends. They are having to go through a lot more hoops than normal as well as extra import duties to get spares.
    How come all the other car manufacturers can make cars that don't try and cheat the system?

    They tried to fiddle it and got caught.

    Som num na.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Why would he be?



    People keep knocking him and he keeps delivering.
    just a thought but off topic


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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    just a thought but off topic
    So what's the basic premise? I can't be arsed to watch 20 minutes of video just because some petrolhead doesn't like Tesla.

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    ^ There is little difference in energy saving and pollution between an internal combustion engine and an electric car over the whole life cycle. According to him and a few acedemics he quoted. He also quoted Victoria that produces the dirtiest electricity in Australia due to the use of brown coal as an example of no overall difference in total efficiency. His main premise seems to be the difference in energy output of fossil fuels compared to batteries per kg.
    The things i believe he did not sufficiently address:
    1: Most electricity generation will be from renewables such as solar, wind, tide etc in the future.
    2: The efficiency of fossil fuels is unlikely to increase in efficiency in regard to calorific content.
    3: ethanol type fuels require large areas of agricultural land
    4: Internal combustion motors are extremely innefficient and only get much worse with age and poor maintenance. Most engines have a thermal efficiency of around 20% to 30%. with diesels close to 40% The new Atkinson cycle toyota and variable compression nissan which is the latest in I.C. engines will still only have a thermal efficiency around the same as a diesel at 40%.
    5: The noxious fumes from diesel are reported to kill thousands of people from respiratory conditions including lung cancer.
    6: Battery efficiency has been increasing almost yearly with new battery technologies being developed around the world.
    Thats my take anyway. Other members opinions will no doubt differ.

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    So, a petrolhead who doesn't like Tesla then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    How come all the other car manufacturers can make cars that don't try and cheat the system?
    Not sure whether this statement was meant "ironically".
    If not, how nice from Harry, that he trust not only in God but in all the other car manufacturers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Not sure whether this statement was meant "ironically".
    If not, how nice from Harry, that he trust not only in God but in all the other car manufacturers...
    Maybe you should try answering the question, because what the fuck you are babbling on about I have no idea.

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    Almost ALL the other brands do the same, their cars also aren't as sufficient as they claim.

    VW got subsidized a LOT in Europe if they could produce clean motors. They knew very well how to cheat the testresults with a simple softwaretrick.

    It's shamefull that Europe didn't punish them for it, maybe they even didn't notice the cheating at all...Anyway, it ruined the outstanding reputation of all German products. Now we can only trust the Japanese for being honest and a producer of very high quality products.

    Why would a German import an American car? Their own cars are far superior. For the price of a Tesla (180.000 us$?) they can buy almost any topmodel car at home.

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