Thread: Trump to announce Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Originally Posted by Fluke

Palestinians were offered land and a Country in 1948 , which they rejected , they wanted the land what was given to Israel . Thay wanted Israels land .
The Hamas charter states that they want ALL the land , all the land which Israel stands on .
They want to steal Israels land

"Israelis land" is the land the British decided European Jews could take over from the native Palestinians.
The Likud charter wants all the land from the Med to the Euphrates!

Originally Posted by Fluke

The British didnt take land from anyone

No, they didn't take, they just gave it away.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

"Israelis land" is the land the British decided European Jews could take over from the native Palestinians.
No, they didn't take, they just gave it away.

The British were in the middle of the disagreement , they neither sided with the Jews or Palestinians , it was a three way disagreement .
Jews were attacking UK military...............do read up in history .
I cannot explain to you 100 years of history in TD posts

Originally Posted by Fluke

The British didnt take land from anyone , Britain didnt even want to be there .

i'm sure you've heard of the balfour declaration, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.


Immediately following their declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, the British War Cabinet began to consider the future of Palestine.

The Balfour Declarationwas a public statement issued by the British government during World War Iannouncing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottomanregion with a minority Jewish population. It read:

Originally Posted by Maanaam

First of all claiming ignorance of Israeli landgrabs, and now this. I can't believe you actually believe anything you're writing on this topic, it's just so wrong, misinformed, and counter to common knowledge.

80 % of the land which the settlements are built on is private land paid for by the Israelis .
Some of the land has been legally disputed about who owns it

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

i'm sure you've heard of the balfour declaration, right?

he intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words "in Palestine" meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine.

why the pro Palestinian supporters are not so fervently supportive of the Crimeans and the Tibetans and the numerous other peoples who have lost their land over the years .

Yet more bullshit from the forums least respected poster, and liar held in the most contempt.

Crimea voted in a parliamentary referendum, by an overwhelming majority, to reunite with Russia- hardly surprising really, as they are Russian, and Ukraine had just suffered a bloody and violent illegal coup. Needless to say, they are full Russian citizens with all of the rights and obligations that entails. There was no bloodshed to speak of (2 deaths in a gunfight)- a distinct contrast to the failing state of Ukraine.

Tibet is more complex- for example, it is uncertain whether the average Tibetan would vote for separation or not. It would possibly be a close call. But a Tibetan is a full citizen of China too, and indeed Tibet is a designated SEZ within China.

The illegally occupied Palestinians however, who have continuously inhabited their land through the millennia, have no such rights of Israeli citizenship, or even freedom of movement. I've rather given up on the two state solution really- it is a standard apartheid struggle and should be treated as such by the rest of the world. America has nothing to do with it anymore, except by being a major funder of this tyranny.

80 % of the land which the settlements are built on is private land paid for by the Israelis .

Bullshit. Got any link to support your outrageous statement, or are you just gonna lie down and admit that you blew this out of your arse.

Originally Posted by sabang

Bring it on, Vladimir ...

I think that the Vladimir is just sitting back and has a good laugh seeing how his friend Don is stirring more and more sht around himself...

Yes, I'm sure of it- but in the vacuum created by Americans farcical and hypocritical policies in the Middle East, he has also become the primary peace broker and 'fix it' man in the region. America, meanwhile, has been emasculated by it's failed policies in Iraq, Syria, Israel & Palestine, Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan and so on. The Donald is right on one thing- Go Home. Preferably, build a wall to keep them inside..

Originally Posted by Fluke

80 % of the land which the settlements are built on is private land paid for by the Israelis .
Some of the land has been legally disputed about who owns it

Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms
14 Delegations in Favour of Resolution 2334 (2016) as United States Abstains
SECURITY COUNCIL
7853RD MEETING (PM) 23 December 2016

The Security Council reaffirmed this afternoon that Israel’s establishment of settlements in Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, had no legal validity, constituting a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the vision of two States living side-by-side in peace and security, within internationally recognized borders.
https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

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The land was purchased legally in 1925

^ Is that supposed to mean something?

Well OK, here's a photo of Dubai, then and now:-



Sensible people will be aware of a few obvious things, such as-

That is within Dubai, a sovereign state. It was not built in a neighbouring country over the objection of the indigenous people, and the native inhabitants were not dispossessed and persecuted.

If it were, it would remain illegal to this day, and would not be 'owned' by Dubai at all- rather just illegally occupied by it.

Originally Posted by sabang

It was not built in a neighbouring country over the objection of the indigenous people, and the native inhabitants were not dispossessed and persecuted.

My photos of the settlement were also not built in a neighboring Country , Israel didnt even exist in 1925 .
It was a legal land purchase there were no people dispossessed or persecuted , "Jews cannot live in the West Bank" , I hear you cry"
Why not, they bought the land legally .
The only people who were persecuted and oppressed were the inhabitants of Gush Etzioan, who got massacred by the Arabs

Originally Posted by sabang

Yet more bullshit from the forums least respected poster, and liar held in the most contempt.
Tibet is more complex- for example, it is uncertain whether the average Tibetan would vote for separation or not. It would possibly be a close call. But a Tibetan is a full citizen of China too, and indeed Tibet is a designated SEZ within China.

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You are liar who has no idea what he is talking about .
Han Chinese are despised by ethnic Tibetans , Beijing destroyed something like 80 % of the Tibetan monasteries and persecuted them, causing many to flee to India and Beijing flooded Tibet with Han Chinese .
Chinese are despised in Tibet , no one cares because Chinese are not Jews

Originally Posted by sabang

Yet more bullshit from the forums least respected poster, and liar held in the most contempt.

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Who the hell do you think that you are ?
Teakdoors spokesman ?
Have you taken upon yourself to speak for the whole of Teakdoor ?
You do come across as being rather small minded and ignorant and have a set mind "If America would stop bombing Iraq, then terrorist would stop terrorism" kind of simplistic outlook on life .
Do you have any real life experiences of these places ?
Have you been to Israel, the West bank , Gaza and Tibet to see for yourself ?
Or do you just get your info from like minded ignorant websites ?

Originally Posted by sabang

. But a Tibetan is a full citizen of China too,

Palestinian Arabs within Israel are also full Israel citizens with equal rights .
Jordan, when they ruled the West bank gave everyone there Jordanian citizenship , apart from the Jews living in the West bank , they were not offered Jordanian citizenship .
Jordan has since relinquished any claims it had to the West bank , they should have taken all their citizens with them, when they left , then there would no be any issues .

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms
14 Delegations in Favour of Resolution 2334 (2016) as United States Abstains
SECURITY COUNCIL
7853RD MEETING (PM) 23 December 2016

The Security Council reaffirmed this afternoon that Israel’s establishment of settlements in Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, had no legal validity, constituting a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the vision of two States living side-by-side in peace and security, within internationally recognized borders.
https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

Arab invasions and war preparations against Israel had no legality either, Israel was and does have a right to self defense. They should never give the west bank up to those murdering lying bastard Arabs

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, I'm sure of it- but in the vacuum created by Americans farcical and hypocritical policies in the Middle East, he has also become the primary peace broker and 'fix it' man in the region. America, meanwhile, has been emasculated by it's failed policies in Iraq, Syria, Israel & Palestine, Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan and so on. The Donald is right on one thing- Go Home. Preferably, build a wall to keep them inside..

If Putin is the fixer in the region why hasn’t he settled the Israel-Palestine issues?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If Putin is the fixer in the region why hasn’t he settled the Israel-Palestine issues?

That's an easy one.

Today, the Russia's portfolio of weaponry orders from the countries of the region is $8 billion. In 2017, the Russian defence industry has been making major inroads in the Middle East and North Africa. Bahrain, Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Tunisia are interested in purchasing Russian weapon systems.

Originally Posted by Thai3

Arab invasions and war preparations against Israel had no legality either, Israel was and does have a right to self defense

The Real Reason Israel Attacks Gaza
Gaza in Context argues that Israel’s repeated onslaughts are not aimed at Hamas or the coastal enclave. They’re aimed at Palestine.

It has been two years since Israel launched one of its most brutal attacks on the Palestinian people of Gaza. For 51 days, Israel waged a ground and aerial attack on a besieged population and killed nearly 2,200 Palestinians, including 1462 civilians, of whom 551 were children; orphaned 1,500 children; left 370,000 children in need of psychosocial treatment; completely destroyed 18,000 homes; and, at the height of the onslaught, displaced half a million Palestinians. During the onslaught, 67 Israeli soldiers and six civilians were killed.

Despite overwhelming evidence of the disparity of power between Israel and Palestinians of Gaza, mainstream American media have repeatedly framed Israel as the victim, and critical pedagogical approaches continue to be policed, as demonstrated by the incendiary campaigns targeting Joseph Massad, Nadia Abu El-Haj, and others. For decades, the mainstream narrative has cast Gaza as the problem, even as Israel has engaged in excessive and brutal force and collective punishment in the form of occupation, siege, and frequent military assaults. This conversation has led to the treatment of Israel’s assaults on the coastal enclave as a national security issue, exceptional and distinct from the broader question of Palestine.

https://www.thenation.com/article/th...-attacks-gaza/

Flake talking out of his arse as usual?

Land Grab: Israel's Settlement Policy in the West Bank | B'Tselem

Taking Control of the Land

Israel has used a complex legal and bureaucratic mechanism to take control of more than fifty percent of the land in the West Bank. This land was used mainly to establish settlements and create reserves of land for the future expansion of the settlements.The principal tool used to take control of land is to declare it "state land." This process began in 1979, and is based on a manipulative implementation of the Ottoman Lands Law of 1858, which applied in the area at the time of occupation. Other methods employed by Israel to take control of land include seizure for military needs, declaration of land as "abandoned assets," and the expropriation of land for public needs. Each of these are based on a different legal foundation. In addition, Israel has assisted private citizens purchasing land on the "free market."

They do not PAY for land. They take it. This is from B'Tselem who are pretty much impartial, are Israeli and Jewish!

FLAKE .... FLAKE .... FLAKE ....

Flake is either TDs best troll or worst.

Or both. They may in fact be the same thing.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Palestinian Arabs within Israel are also full Israel citizens with equal rights .

Rubbish. They are second class citizens.
Just a few examples off the top of my head: Fertility programs run by the government are for Jews only. Arabs wanting to buy a house are vetted by the neighbourhood and have almost no right to appeal whereas Jews are not vetted by the neighbours. They are limited in their representation in the Knesset.

Here's a T-shirt the Israeli army gave it's soldiers.... Pregnant Muslim women killed are a good thing, eh?

Originally Posted by Thai3

Israel was and does have a right to self defense.

Agreed. But it does not have a right to annex conquered territory nor to build settlements, nor to continue to expand.

Jewish settlers stop paying for land since 1920s, and decided to go into war over the land

don't you guys were taught history in the classroom,

a few people in this thread didn't finish high school, obviously