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    Victoria On The Verge Of Becoming First Aussie State To Legalise Euthanasia

    No doubt the fucking jesus wheezers will be squealing again, especially having only recently lost the gay marriage vote.

    Historic laws have passed through the Victorian Parliament to get one step close to ushering in voluntary assisted dying. In a marathon sitting session, which lasted 26 hours, the bill passed through the Upper House with 22 votes for and 18 against.

    Even though the bill had already passed through the Lower House, it will now have to go back there after a series of amendments were made to the wording of the legislation. Once those points are agreed upon, it will become a part of the legislature. That would make Victoria the first state in Australia to legalise assisted death.

    Premier Daniel Andrews has written on social media: "We are now one final step away from voluntary assisted dying becoming law. The bill will go to the lower house to confirm the cross-party changes that were made in the upper house.



    "Let's remember what we are debating here: the most conservative voluntary assisted dying model that has ever been proposed - let alone implemented - anywhere in the world.


    "This legislation is safe. Its purpose is clear. Its time has come."


    Assisted dying will only apply to those who meet a strict set of criteria.

    Patients would have to undergo two independent medical assessments, must be over the age of 18, have lived in Victoria for at least a year, have a 'sound mind', and the person would have to administer the lethal drug themselves. A doctor can technically deliver it in very rare circumstances.


    While motor neurone disease and multiple sclerosis aren't technically terminal conditions, sufferers in their final 12 months will be able to access voluntary assisted dying.


    Despite those specific rules, it appears the legislation has been a shock to some politicians, including former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.


    Speaking to Macquarie Radio from a hospital where his dad was being treated for a serious stroke, Mr Abbott said: "People's lives have to be respected and this idea that we should end the lives of people who have failed our test of usefulness or have failed our test of what constitutes a decent quality of life is absolutely dead wrong. I hope that a future Victorian Parliament might reverse this.

    "Doctors should be healers, they should never be required to be killers."


    But the Premier doesn't see it that way, telling reporters: "It's about providing for those who have for too long been denied a compassionate end the control, the power over the last phase of their journey.


    "It's about giving to them that control."


    The amended bill will head back to the lower house next week and, if passed, could be law within 18 months.


    Victoria On The Verge Of Becoming First Aussie State To Legalise Euthanasia - LADbible

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    .............and, in the NT they're still pussyfooting around.

    Useless incompetent, self serving, egotistical, thieving, ingrates that they are, regardless of political persuasion.
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    Tony Abbott said: "People's lives have to be respected and this idea that we should end the lives of people who have failed our test of usefulness or have failed our test of what constitutes a decent quality of life is absolutely dead wrong
    And there I was thinking this guy couldn't possibly say anything to make me think he's an even bigger wanker than I had already concluded. Could he possibly miss the point more?

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    Speaking to Macquarie Radio from a hospital where his dad was being treated for a serious stroke, Mr Abbott said: "People's lives have to be respected and this idea that we should end the lives of people who have failed our test of usefulness or have failed our test of what constitutes a decent quality of life is absolutely dead wrong. I hope that a future Victorian Parliament might reverse this.
    Doesn't this moron understand the legislation, it's not about others deciding someone is no longer "useful", but assisting those with a terminal illness if they don't want to suffer until the very end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    And there I was thinking this guy couldn't possibly say anything to make me think he's an even bigger wanker than I had already concluded. Could he possibly miss the point more?

    Abbot is a rampant, ridiculous raging Catholic with a capital "C".
    He's the PM that the likes of Teary and other self centered middle class government employees seek to maintain to protect their obscene control over what has become a total "Nanny" state with a scant disregard for human rights or care in and of the community.

    Australia has lost it and I pray that maybe, sometime the good ones will respond.

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    Just in time for the Ashes then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    .............and, in the NT they're still pussyfooting around.

    Useless incompetent, self serving, egotistical, thieving, ingrates that they are, regardless of political persuasion.
    Prolly afraid of losing the god botherer vote.

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    Just for clarity ... Abbott is a Federal Pollie and this is State based legislation.

    Abbott doesn't get a vote.

    As for the issue at hand ... I'm split, I can see both sides of the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Just for clarity ... Abbott is a Federal Pollie and this is State based legislation.

    Abbott doesn't get a vote.

    As for the issue at hand ... I'm split, I can see both sides of the argument.
    Really?

    I see one, and on the other side a load of irrevelant hysteria based on religious mumbo jumbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    As for the issue at hand ... I'm split, I can see both sides of the argument.
    Could you summarise the two sides for those who have not followed the pre-legislation discussions?
    I am fairly familiar with the pro-arguments, is the contra stance based on religion or what are the points?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    As for the issue at hand ... I'm split
    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    Could you summarise the two sides for those who have not followed the pre-legislation discussions?
    I am fairly familiar with the pro-arguments, is the contra stance based on religion or what are the points?
    Mate, I believe the debate on both sides is fairly universal, no matter where on the Globe it's being discussed.

    Specific to the OP ...

    What the Victorian model allows

    The Victorian bill adopts all of the expert panel's recommended safeguards, including strict eligibility requirements.

    To access assisted dying in Victoria, a person must:

    • be an adult, 18 years and over
    • be ordinarily resident in Victoria and an Australian citizen or permanent resident
    • have decision-making capacity in relation to voluntary assisted dying
    • be diagnosed with an incurable disease, illness or medical condition, that:
      • is advanced, progressive and will cause death
      • is expected to cause death within weeks or months, but not longer than 12 months
      • is causing suffering that cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable.



    A person who meets all of the eligibility criteria must make three separate requests to access assisted dying.
    Only after being assessed by two independent medical practitioners can they be prescribed a lethal drug.


    In most cases, the person must then administer it themselves.

    The discussion, from an Australian perspective can be found here and here and globally here

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    The only contra point in those links is the slippery-slope argument in the last article, but is sort of refuted there already.

    So what are the contra arguments, the other side you earlier said you can see, David? Do you believe the new legislation will lead to further liberalisation which will open the door to all kinds of getting rid of unwanted persons?

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    ^^^^I hope so there's a few I could cheerfully euthanase on TD for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Mate, I believe the debate on both sides is fairly universal, no matter where on the Globe it's being discussed.
    But you said you can see both sides.

    So tell us what you see as the "against" argument.

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    A great moral step forward if it goes through.

    Provided the legislation covers the relevant safeguards around coercion, free will and sound mind there is not much anybody can legitimately say to oppose the right for someone to end their life with dignity and to avoid necessary suffering.

    Strange how it has taken so long for this idea to gain currency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    A great moral step forward if it goes through.

    Provided the legislation covers the relevant safeguards around coercion, free will and sound mind there is not much anybody can legitimately say to oppose the right for someone to end their life with dignity and to avoid necessary suffering.

    Strange how it has taken so long for this idea to gain currency.
    Damn right.
    I don't think there can be any doubt that it's the religious nutcases like Abbot who've always held it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    have lived in Victoria for at least a year
    A line slipped in by the anti crowd, or for their placation. Silly. Does the state not want big euthanasia tourism dollars coming in?
    So someone in Sydney, with 9 months to live, can't go to Vic for eternal relief. Sad for non-Victorians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    A line slipped in by the anti crowd, or for their placation. Silly. Does the state not want big euthanasia tourism dollars coming in?
    So someone in Sydney, with 9 months to live, can't go to Vic for eternal relief. Sad for non-Victorians.
    "Euthanisa tourism".

    I think that's already an Australian thing.

    Thailand is the most dangerous destination for Australian tourists, with 203 deaths recorded in the last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Does the state not want big euthanasia tourism dollars
    Does it count as tourism if you are not actually coming back?



    Can you send postcards to friends back in your home state?

    Maybe with a picture of the grim reaper!

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    ^ You know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post

    A great moral step forward if it goes through.
    Well loopy,

    Ya know it will never happen simply because the Politician Wankers will make the Vetting so strict that Doctors will be scared off from signing some nearly dead coont off.

    Same as Medical Herb.

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    Looks like NZ may pass an euthanasia bill also.

    Euthanasia bill passes first reading in Parliament - NZ Herald

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    ^ No doubt Leslie Martin will be at the forefront....Poor lady, I admire her courage and drive.

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    Had a very ill old dog back when a young lad. Clearly in pain, dying and not a happy old fella. Loved that dog but as much as it pained me, I put a bullet through his head. The humane thing to do. Let him die a painful death or put him out of his misery.

    An easy decision.

    If after going though the process to grant euthanasia certainly it would be humane for a human.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Does it count as tourism if you are not actually coming back?
    What's the world come to... after sex tourism and drug tourism, now death tourism!

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