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    Gunman kills 4, wounds others at multiple California sites, including school

    Nov. 14, 2017
    by HALEIGH PIKE, KRCR




    Police on the scene after reports of a shooting near Rancho Tehama Elementary School in Corning, Calif., Tuesday, Nov. 14, 2017. (KRCR)




    CORNING, Calif. (KRCR) - Five people have been killed and multiple have been injured after a mass shooting Tuesday morning in the Northern California community of Rancho Tehama, according to Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston with the Tehama County Sheriff’s Office.
    “It’s a very sad day for us here in Tehama County,” said Johnston as he addressed the media.
    According to Johnston, none of the five people killed were children but one was the shooter. Officials are not releasing information about the other four people who were killed at this time. Johnston added ten patients, including two children, are being treated at Northstate hospitals but their conditions are unknown at this time. In a press conference at 4:15 p.m. Tuesday, Johnston added that some members of the shooters family are missing and they have been unable to locate them.

    Johnston said several agencies are on the ground in Rancho Tehama actively investigating seven different crime scenes as the shooting spread across many locations, including the Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
    Johnston said the shooter rammed one of the vehicles he was driving through a school gate, entered the school grounds on foot with a semi-automatic gun with a multi-round clip, and was wearing a vest with clips embedded into it. Johnston added it appears that after the shooter realized he was not going to be able to get into the school, he left the school grounds and took his “killing spree” to the streets of Rancho Tehama. Johnston said they are still not releasing the shooters names because they need to notify the next of kin but that the shooter did live on Bobcat Lane, where the shooting began. Johnston added they are seeking search warrants for different locations as they continue their investigation.
    “This guy was on a killing rampage,” said Johnston.

    Calls were first received at 7:52 a.m. for shots fired with a man down in the area of Bobcat Lane and Fawn Lane in upper Rancho Tehama reserve. Johnston said directly after that, multiple 911 calls were made, from various sources, indicating shots were being fired at different locations including the elementary school. Johnston said after the initial shooting at the end of Bobcat Lane, the shooter stole a vehicle and went on a “shooting rampage throughout the community”. Johnston said at some point, the shooter crashed the first stolen vehicle and then stole a second vehicle from a man. It was while the shooter was driving the second vehicle that he passed by a woman, who was driving her children to school, and began shooting at the vehicle. Johnston said the woman was injured as well as a child in the back seat. The woman suffered “very life threatening wounds” and the child suffered non-life threatening wounds. Johnston said the shooter then engaged with two responding officers while still in the vehicle and the officers returned fire. This is when the shooter was killed. Both officers were secured from the scene and an officer-involved shooting protocol was initiated.

    Johnston said they have no known motive for the shooting and there are no known connections between the suspect and any of the victims. Johnston added most of the victims appear to be random selections.
    Johnston said the shooter has had prior contacts with law enforcement and they are looking it those. Johnston said they are also aware of reports of a domestic violence incident with the suspect that took place Monday.
    A semi-automatic rifle and two handguns were recovered and Johnston said they believe they were used by the shooter. Johnston added it is unknown if all the weapons were used during the shooting.

    Coy Ferreira, whose daughters is a kindergarten student at Rancho Tehama Elementary, said he was dropping off his daughter for class just before 8:00 a.m. when he heard what sounded like a firecracker. Ferreira said a school secretary ran out and yelled for the kids to get in the classrooms because someone was shooting at the school. “I was walking my child to the classroom because they blew the whistle for the first bell, and when that first whistle blew, it sounded like a firecracker went off and we all stopped and were stunned. Then, like a minute later, there were three more shots fired,” said Ferreira.

    Ferreira said he ran into a classroom with 14 students and that’s when series of shots began coming through the classroom windows. Ferreira said a young boy was shot in the foot and the chest. When Ferreira spoke to us Tuesday morning, he said the child was alert and talking but as of Tuesday afternoon, family told us the child had been transported to a Sacramento hospital and was in critical condition. “Within a minute, we were all buckled in our classrooms and all of a sudden there were gunshots going for a good 20-25 minutes. My window was hit by a few shots and a student was injured in my classroom. He got nailed somehow, it happened all so fast,” said Ferreira. Ferreira said he saw a man who appeared to be 30-40-years-old dressed in camouflage, running away from the school after the shooting. Ferreira added he believes the shooter had to have shot from an elevated ramp in order to see the students who were hiding under their desks.

    Coy Ferreira, whose daughters is a kindergarten student at Rancho Tehama Elementary, said he was dropping off his daughter for class just before 8:00 a.m. when he heard what sounded like a firecracker. Ferreira said a school secretary ran out and yelled for the kids to get in the classrooms because someone was shooting at the school. “I was walking my child to the classroom because they blew the whistle for the first bell, and when that first whistle blew, it sounded like a firecracker went off and we all stopped and were stunned. Then, like a minute later, there were three more shots fired,” said Ferreira.

    Ferreira said he ran into a classroom with 14 students and that’s when series of shots began coming through the classroom windows. Ferreira said a young boy was shot in the foot and the chest. When Ferreira spoke to us Tuesday morning, he said the child was alert and talking but as of Tuesday afternoon, family told us the child had been transported to a Sacramento hospital and was in critical condition. “Within a minute, we were all buckled in our classrooms and all of a sudden there were gunshots going for a good 20-25 minutes. My window was hit by a few shots and a student was injured in my classroom. He got nailed somehow, it happened all so fast,” said Ferreira.

    Ferreira said he saw a man who appeared to be 30-40-years-old dressed in camouflage, running away from the school after the shooting. Ferreira added he believes the shooter had to have shot from an elevated ramp in order to see the students who were hiding under their desks. Tiffany, the owner of Coffee Addiction Coffee Shop located near the school, said she heard 90-100 shots from where she was at during the shooting. Tiffany said she saw a Honda drive by with the windows shot out and saw at least five ambulances responding to the area. “We heard multiple shots, starting with about ten, and proceeding to about 90 shots, of a high powered some kind of rifle sounding. We heard a man and children screaming from our location, I’m approximately three blocks from the school, I could hear people screaming at the school,” Tiffany said.

    Tiffany’s husband, Brian, said another witness reported seeing a white pickup drive through the school gate and start shooting.


    http://komonews.com/news/nation-worl...mentary-school



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    ISIS or NRA ? tough call,

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    "Mental health issues" + Guns = Mass Killing.

    It's not a complex equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    ISIS or NRA ? tough call,
    Or...strategy of tension? (and not just for this particular school situation)

    Recognizable patterns include, but are not limited to:


    • An official narrative is quickly agreed upon and blames either "Lone nuts" or the enemy du jour
    • "Lone nuts" that die shortly after the event and/or have no chance to explain their side of the story
    • The number of reported perpetrators, decreases as the official narrative unfolds
    • Evidence which is quickly destroyed and/or made inaccessible to public or to journalists because of "national security"
    • Obviously pre-fabricated statements: responses are made which are far too quick - exploiting the targets' moment of psychological shock
    • Politicians and commercially-controlled media: blaming designated culprit before any investigation, hate speech, revenge, threating war or sanctions, fostering police state legislation
    • Name changes or misspelling of suspected lone nuts and/or intelligence links emerge
    • Imagery of low quality emerges, with mismatching details in different versions or viewing angels, time stamps and origin obscured
    • Presented evidence and history of Lone nuts contains bold archetypes, letters, testaments, even passports
    • Eye witness accounts are incompatible with press reports
    • Lost and Found ID leads a direct trail to allow the official narrative's perpetrators to be identified
    • Any ideas apart from this are termed "conspiracy theories" and dismissed by the establishment
    • The commercially-controlled media is resentful of any serious criticism of its own early reporting, citing mostly sources from government, so called experts, the police or news agencies, i.e. Reuters, AP.
    • Official investigation avoided, delayed or quick trial, may be flawed, i.e deaths, not answering questions, accepting bogus "proofs"
    • Media blackout regarding targets' and intelligence services' foreknowledge and/or facts that don't fit the official narrative and spurious statements by attendents
    • Intelligence services stick to the doctrine of plausible deniability even decades after the event
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    In a feud with his neighbors, so he just decided to go shoot a bunch of folks. The US is beyond hope.

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    Corning is only 30 miles from Chico where I went to uni. Its just a small very rural town in the Sacramento valley. It really has not changed even after 40 years. Just a junction off of interstate 5 going North.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Or...strategy of tension? (and not just for this particular school situation)
    Or perhaps you whackjobs should just wait for the story to come out.

    Occams razor and all that.


    It is believed the shooting spree began after a domestic row with the gunman's neighbours in Rancho Tehama, a rural community about 120 miles (195km) from Sacramento, on Tuesday morning.
    Police said they believed he went on a "bizarre and murderous rampage" after the dispute escalated and he killed a neighbour.
    Officials confirmed the gunman had "prior contacts with law enforcement".
    The Tehama district attorney told the Sacramento Bee he was being prosecuted on charges relating to a stabbing and assault in January in an incident involving two of his neighbours.
    California shooting: Gunman 'tried to enter school' - BBC News

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    Could help reduce school shootings, but the terrorists will simply head for other soft targets.

    And of course, best scenario has it working only until the first seasoned vet goes off the rail and wipes out an entire school.

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    California mass shooter killed wife, buried her beneath floor

    The gunman blamed for the deadly rampage in northern California began his killing spree by fatally shooting his wife and stashing her body beneath the floorboards of their home, police revealed Wednesday.


    Word of the grim discovery came a day after Kevin Janson Neal gunned down four other people and attacked an elementary school before he was killed by police.


    "We were looking for his wife, couldn't find her yesterday," said Tehama County Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston said. "We located her dead body concealed under the floor of the residence."


    Johnston, who did not identify Neal's wife by name, said police believe she was killed on Monday.


    "We are confident he murdered her, shot her ... literally put her body in the floor, covered it up," he said.


    Neal, 44, had been out on bail after being charged with stabbing a neighbor when he went on a 45-minute shooting spree Tuesday in the rural community of Rancho Tehama Reserve, about 130 miles north of Sacramento.

    Kevin Neal, suspect in California shooting.Tehama County



    All the dead were adults. But among the 10 injured were seven children, including four at the school that Neal targeted — and a 2-year-old who was wounded elsewhere, police said.


    One child at the school was hit by gunfire and remains in critical condition, Johnston said. The rest were hurt by flying glass.


    Asked about a possible motive, Johnston said, "I think he had a desire to kill as many people as he could."


    Neal's sister, Sheridan Orr of Cary, North Carolina, described her brother as "an all-American kid" who had been grappling with mental illness and had a hair-trigger temper.


    "It had continually deteriorated over, I would say, since October of last year," she told NBC News. "I loved him as my brother but I didn't recognize him. ... He seemed possessed or demonic."


    Neal was armed with two handguns and "two semi-automatic rifles with multiround clips" that he had built himself, Johnston said.


    "These firearms are manufactured illegally, we believe by him at his home," Johnston said. "So they were obtained in an illegal manner, not through a legal process. They're not registered."


    Johnston said Neal was no stranger to law enforcement and that prior to Tuesday his neighbors had "reported shots coming from the residence."
    "Every time we responded, we would try to make contact with Mr. Neal," he said. "He was not law enforcement-friendly."
    That said, Neal was "not prohibited from owning firearms," Johnston said.


    Johnston also praised the staffers at Rancho Tehama Elementary School who rushed their young students into the building and locked down the school when they heard gunfire.


    "It is monumental that that school went on lockdown," he said. "I really, truly believe that we would have had a horrific bloodbath in that school if that school hadn't taken the action when they did."


    Richard Fitzpatrick, superintendent of the Corning Elementary School District of which Rancho Tehama Elementary School is a part, said that classes begin at 8 a.m. and shortly before that time a shot was heard in the school office, followed by two more.


    "At that time, immediately and without any instruction from law enforcement, our school staff went into lockdown," Fitzpatrick said at a news conference Wednesday. The school has just shy of 100 students, he said, with four classrooms, a large playground and one detached classroom.


    Fitzpatrick called the actions of school staff heroic. Students who were playing were ushered into classrooms, and students being dropped off were brought into the school office.


    After the gunman rammed a vehicle into the gate and emerged with an “AR-type weapon,” he fired at the head custodian who peaked around a building and that diversion of attention gave staff the seconds they needed to finish the lockdown, Fitzpatrick said.


    The gunman fired into the school, and a child was struck in the chest and foot and is in fair condition at a hospital, Fitzpatrick said. He said it appears the bullets that struck the child were fired through a wall.


    "Love and kindness and selflessness, paired with the ability to professionally do what they did, defeated evil yesterday," Fitzpatrick said. "And the fact is we don't have another one of those stories where multiple children are dead, because of the heroics of my school staff."


    Neal's wife was apparently his first victim. "We believe that's what started this whole event," Johnston said.


    Neal then killed a neighbor and stole his pickup truck, Johnston said, and while weaving through the subdivision he began firing on other motorists, killing three more people.


    "You have to understand, this individual's going down the road picking targets," Johnston said. "He chased people with his vehicle, shooting at them."
    Two of the people Neal wounded were a mother and her child.


    The woman "did pull out her handgun" but was unable to use it because Neal had fired "about eight rounds into the side panel of her driver's door," Johnston said.


    Along the way, Neal crashed the first vehicle, stole another and then headed for the school.


    There, Johnston said, Neal drove through a gate and sprayed the school with bullets for six minutes. Once he realized he would not be able to get inside, he left the school grounds.


    The rampage ended when police rammed Neal's car and killed him in the ensuing gun battle, Johnston said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-floor-n821051

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-floor-n821051

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    California shooter built his own illegal guns, officials say

    RANCHO TEHAMA RESERVE, Calif. — Two of the guns used in the Tehama County mass shooting on Tuesday were homemade, while the other two were not registered to the shooter, officials said.


    There was also a restraining order issued issued in February that prohibited the shooter from owning guns.


    The two homemade AR-15 type semiautomatic rifles were made from parts the shooter, Kevin Janson Neal, purchased, said Phil Johnston, Tehama County’s assistant sheriff.


    “These firearms were manufactured illegally, we believe, by him at his home,” Johnston said Wednesday. “So they (the guns) were obtained in an illegal manner, not through a legal process. They are not registered.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ama/868778001/

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    It is an op-ed but tells the story of how Kevin Neal was freed on bail after stabbing his neighbor.

    Tehama shooting is deadly evidence that California needs to reform its bail system

    The gunman who went on a deadly shooting rampage in Tehama County on Monday apparently had been out on bail after being charged with stabbing a neighbor — an aspect of the grisly crime that underscores a huge but little discussed problem with money bail systems like California’s.

    The argument for bail reform is generally couched in terms of justice for people accused of nonviolent crimes who are kept locked up before trial because they don’t have enough money to post bail. The risk that they will flee or commit new crimes might be infinitesimal, but under our bail system, that doesn’t matter. No money, no release.


    Alleged killer Kevin Neal’s rampage may illustrate a stronger point: Just having bail money, or being able to raise it, shouldn’t be enough to secure the release of a person who is suspected of a violent crime, has a reputation of being somewhat unhinged and has a house full of weapons.


    There’s not yet enough information on the deadly incident and the circumstances of Neal’s release to say with certainty whether the judge acted properly in setting bail, reportedly at $300,000. Courts in most California counties abide by “schedules” that pair criminal charges with bail amounts and may take into consideration whether the accused has previous convictions. The judge can reject the scheduled amount but may have felt bound by it, or the prosecutor may have failed to argue that the charge against Neal increased his risk. Or there could be other circumstances that have yet to come out. It’s important to note that apart from bail, the court issued protective orders that barred Neal from having guns.


    The folly of the money bail system, though, is the notion that high bail amounts somehow protect against the release of a suspect who’s a danger to the community. It has become common for bail in murder cases to be set at $1 million or more in the belief that the dangerous suspect won’t be able to pay it, and so won’t be able to get out. That’s a clever work-around, but it’s also profoundly dishonest. Suspects who are too risky to be released simply shouldn’t be released, no matter how much money they have in the bank, how rich their friends are, or how much a bail bond agent is willing to put up. In Neal’s case, apparently he had the money and was set free.


    A bail-reform bill pending in the state Legislature would do what several other states have done: replace the money-based system with one based on pretrial assessments of the risk that suspects pose to the community. Not surprisingly, the bail industry and prosecutors are lobbying lawmakers heavily to reject the measure. Legislators should keep in mind the 15 people – five dead, 10 wounded – who may well be victims of the current system, which set a man free because of the size of his wallet.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/edito...115-story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    In a feud with his neighbors, so he just decided to go shoot a bunch of folks. The US is beyond hope.
    Agreed.

    I'm bailing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Corning is only 30 miles from Chico where I went to uni. Its just a small very rural town in the Sacramento valley. It really has not changed even after 40 years. Just a junction off of interstate 5 going North.
    Partied many a time up at Chico as well AO. Used to always head through there on my way fishing and sometimes to see my friend up near lake Alamnor. You blink and you missed it. Lots of those small towns in Northern California.

    All these mass shootings have gotten way out of hand. My Dad (who I talk to almost daily) says that in SF/San Jose there are daily shootings but because the bar has been raised on what makes news anything less then 3 or so shot and killed isn't newsworthy any longer. Just standard fare.

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    It's a sad state of affairs that American schools have to have a response plan to an active shooter.

    FFS wake up you numbskulls, why the fuck do you want to live like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Could help reduce school shootings, but the terrorists will simply head for other soft targets.
    Place 3 armed veterans in every school ...
    ...and to every house ... (1 enough)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    FFS wake up you numbskulls, why the fuck do you want to live like this?
    Because Freedom(TM). And guns. Mostly guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's a sad state of affairs that American schools have to have a response plan to an active shooter.

    FFS wake up you numbskulls, why the fuck do you want to live like this?
    Quite right, but for some weird reason millions of numbskulls risk their lives to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Quite right, but for some weird reason millions of numbskulls risk their lives to get there.
    It's a game of statistics. Yes there are mass shootings. Yes they are tragic but its small in numbers compared to population. Guess the risk is worth it.

    I have always had guns. Quite a few in fact but never for the intent of taking out people. Sad part is anybody can get them any time. There is always a way.

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    Honestly to me the big take away on all these events is, "You never really know anybody and what one might be capable of" . Make someone mad enough they will snap and put any weapon in front of them (Car, Axe, Gun, Club, knife etc) and they might just use it in a fit of rage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Honestly to me the big take away on all these events is, "You never really know anybody and what one might be capable of" . Make someone mad enough they will snap and put any weapon in front of them (Car, Axe, Gun, Club, knife etc) and they might just use it in a fit of rage.
    And would you rather someone came at you with a car, axe, club or knife; or a fully loaded AR15 with a bump stock?

    At the very least they should ban the latter.

    They serve no purpose other than as a very effective weapon of mass murder that can kill at a distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And would you rather someone came at you with a car, axe, club or knife; or a fully loaded AR15 with a bump stock?

    At the very least they should ban the latter.

    They serve no purpose other than as a very effective weapon of mass murder that can kill at a distance.
    I agree. While we have the right to bear arms there were no stipulations on which gun type or style. I fully believe there should be controls of what guns people can own and which ones should be available to the public. We have blurred the lines. I have friends who have modified AR15s and Mac10s. To what point? It was like me. I had a LRSR 50 cal, no real point. Couldn't shoot it in very many places. Hunting rifles, shotguns etc are OK as far as I am concerned.

    Anyway. Moot argument. Never going to change.

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