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    US Navy visit Russian sub

    ‘Chakra’ opened to 3rd eyes: India reportedly allowed US Navy to visit Russian sub
    Published time: 10 Nov, 2017

    An unprecedented scandal is unfolding between Russia and India, with Moscow suspecting that New Delhi granted US Navy personnel access to INS ‘Chakra’, a Russian nuclear-powdered attack submarine operated by the Indian Navy since 2011.

    The incident threatens to jeopardize talks on the lease of a second nuclear submarine, and on other projects in the field of military cooperation between the two countries, Russia’s Kommersant daily reported on Wednesday.

    Several sources in the Russian state agencies told the newspaper that their Indian partners had recently committed several “unfriendly acts towards Russia.” First, a US Navy delegation had visited the aircraft carrier ‘Vikramaditya’ (property of the Indian Navy), with Russian officials forced to issue a note of protest. Sometime later, a US delegation came aboard the ‘Chakra’, according to a high-ranking military source.

    The source, working in the military cooperation system, called the fact that the US Navy personnel had paid a visit to a Russian submarine outrageous. The sub is stationed on the base near ‘Vishakhapatnam’, pending repairs.

    “There were well-trained technical specialists among them, so they got hold of some of the information anyway,” the source said, adding that this “string of incidents” may have a negative impact on defense cooperation between the two countries, which has been successfully developing over the past five years.

    The Indian Navy commissioned the ‘Chakra’ (originally called the ‘Nerpa’) in 2012, and paid around $1 billion to lease the submarine for a 10-year period, according to Indian Defense News.

    India remained the world’s biggest arms importer over the past five years, SIPRI reported in February. Russia has been the main arms supplier to both China and India.

    Moscow is now reportedly preparing retaliatory measures against its Indian partners, the sources say, also referring to “a lot of questions” and “difficult talks” ahead. The incident could affect negotiations on leasing the second nuclear submarine which the Indian Navy planned to obtain from Russia.

    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is due to visit India next month, has reportedly been tasked with sorting out the ‘Chakra’ issue. He is also set to negotiate the creation of a fifth-generation fighter jet under an agreement signed back in 2007, which so far has seen neither the aircraft’s concept nor its financial parameters developed.

    https://www.rt.com/news/409465-chakr...ian-submarine/

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    What does India need a nuclear sub for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    What does India need a nuclear sub for?
    Perhaps for the same purpose as e.g. Israel needs 1, 2 pcs (or 3?)

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    That's one of the risks of leasing or selling your top equipment to other countries. I reckon the same thing will happen if/when Turkey finally gets their air defence system from Russia, and another country freindly to the USA ( I forget which at the moment - Saudi Arabia?) that apparently will also get the same system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    That's one of the risks of leasing or selling your top equipment to other countries. I reckon the same thing will happen if/when Turkey finally gets their air defence system from Russia, and another country freindly to the USA ( I forget which at the moment - Saudi Arabia?) that apparently will also get the same system.
    I assume that they will not lease out their latest cry of the season...

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    ^ I wish I knew what that meant.




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    ^ Sorry for my un-English terms: (for the ones who dress up in Paris):
    latest (last) cry = dernier cri https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict.../dernier%20cri

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    Now if that had been the other way round and Russia got a look at US subs, ships whatever there would have been questions in congress the senate the media with threats and new sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    Now if that had been the other way round and Russia got a look at US subs, ships whatever there would have been questions in congress the senate the media with threats and new sanctions.
    .. and all that highlighted by the "independent" media that are not paid by govt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Akula reception next time
    Mai pen rai, the Russians do not mind:
    Akula 310 would be launching in India around December 2017 with the estimated price of Rs 1.89 lakh. Get all the details
    https://www.zigwheels.com/newbikes/TVS/akula-310
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    What does India need a nuclear sub for?
    To be a few inches bigger than the Pakis next door.

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    Moscow brands as ‘bogus’ report that US military was allowed on India’s Russian-made submarine

    Reports of India allowing a group of US military officials to visit the Russian-made INS Chakra – an Indian Navy attack submarine – are not based in reality, the head of the Russian military cooperation agency said.


    Claims of a rift in Russian-Indian military cooperation were reported last week by the defense news website StrategyPage, and circulated in Russia by business daily Kommersant. The report claimed that India had allowed a group of US Navy personnel to visit the Russian-made Chakra attack submarine, in violation of the lease contract. The nuclear-powered Chakra was transferred to the Indian Navy in 2012 after serving for three years under the name Nerpa in Russia.



    Commenting on the claim on Monday, Dmitry Shugaev, the head of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, called the report “bogus.”


    “We will not respond to such provocations,” he told Rossiya 24. “Somebody is trying by all [sorts] of tricks to push us out, but India remains our strategic partner. And Indian people and its leadership see us as their strategic partners,” he explained.


    India is currently one of world’s biggest arms buyers, investing heavily in the modernization of its armed forces. Russia is a traditional provider of sophisticated military hardware for Delhi, building aircraft and naval ships of designs adopted for India’s requirements. The two countries also cooperate on a number of high-profile joint defense projects, like the ramjet supersonic BrahMos cruise missile.


    https://www.rt.com/news/409722-india...bmarine-visit/









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    "Indian submarine"


    I hope the fookers wore gas masks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    https://www.rt.com/news/409722-india...bmarine-visit/
    Misskit, I am shocked. How did you come on such ("unrecognized") link?

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    ^ ?

    RT is news.

    However, let me point out this story was not picked up by the Western media except to note it was a seemingly fake story.
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    Allegedly the Turks asked to have the S400 software. The LORD smiled whilst shaking his head.

    Not sure if jestures are recorded in the official meeting record.



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    When asked for scheamatics a list of circuit board reference numbers and Chinese web site prices was delivered. The processors for sockets A - Z were on pages 5 & 6, which unfortunately were redacted.

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