Thread: Texas church shooting leaves at least 26 dead

Originally Posted by taxexile

be that as it may, but you cant deny that had there been one or two tooled up god botherers in the congregation, then the death toll might not have been so high.

Wonder what Jesus would have done?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

It seems my lampooning of dopey American christian zealotry was indeed beyond parody - the Texican Attorney General has just pronounced folk attending their church congregations should carry more guns.

Surely, the dumbest fucks on the planet.

The only question is: which one of them - after the few prayers about the love to your brethren - will be the killer and which one(s) the victim(s)...

Originally Posted by kmart

Wonder what Jesus would have done?

Republican Jesus would've popped a cap in his ass.

Several caps if he'd been a dirty immigrunt or poor person.

A lot of truths here in my opinion. Worth a read

Why Americans don't give a damn about mass shootings


(CNN)One month ago, the worst mass shooting in US history took place at a country music concert in Las Vegas. Fifty-eight people were killed and more than 500 people injured. Bill O'Reilly boiled the massacre down to six words: "This is the price of freedom."

I hate to say it, but he is right. Sunday, just 34 days after Vegas, 26 people were gunned down and about 20 others were wounded during a church service in Texas. And here's what is really sick -- we won't be surprised when there's another mass shooting next month. Maybe it'll be your church, your mall, your concert or your movie theater. That's the price of freedom.
In America, we are free to stockpile weapons. We are free to order ammo online. We are free to outfit our guns with bump stocks, like the Vegas shooter did. This is the price we pay for freedom, alright. The freedom to not give a damn.
Tweeting "prayers for the victims" does not equal giving a damn. Feeling bad for a day or two does not equal giving a damn. Changing your Facebook profile photo to support the victims does not equal giving a damn.
Giving a damn requires us to commit to solving the problem. And the fact is, we have a serious problem in America with gun violence.
The statistics speak for themselves. A mass shooting is defined as an event where at least four people are shot. We now have one every day in America, if you adopt the broad definition used by the Gun Violence Archive. In fact, Vegas wasn't the only mass shooting on October 1, it was just the biggest. There was oneoutside the University of Kansas on the same day.
When we care, we solve problems. The military cares, that's why the Air Force court-martialed the Texas shooter for assaulting his wife and child. But we give no damns about gun violence, which is why a "very deranged individual" as President Donald Trump put it, was able to buy an AR-556 rifle. The Texas governor said the gunman applied for a license to carry a gun but was denied by the state. Gov. Greg Abbott asks a key question: "So how was it that he was able to get a gun? By all the facts that we seem to know, he was not supposed to have access to a gun. So how did this happen?"
Congress doesn't care either. It's up to us to stop this public health crisis and unfortunately, we haven't reached the tipping point like we have with cancer and opioids.
Everyone knows someone who has been diagnosed with cancer. That's why we give a damn about solving the problem of cancer.

Virtually everyone knows someone who has died of an opioid overdose. That's why we care enough to declare it a public health crisis.
We are dangerously close to a moment in time when every one of us will know someone who has been shot in a mass shooting. And unfortunately, based on the research, that's what it's going to take for us to care. It has to become personal.
Why the apathy?


Until gun violence impacts your family directly, you won't care enough to do something about it. There's a ton of research to explain this apathy.
After World War II, the famous Cambridge psychologist J.T. MacCurdy studied an interesting phenomenon about the bombings in London in 1940 and 1941.
He found that people affected by the bombings fell into three categories: those who died, those who were a "near miss" (who closely witnessed the horror of the bombings but lived), and those who had a "remote miss" (people who may have heard the sirens, but were removed from the direct scene of the bombing).
Here's what's interesting. MacCurdy found the people who witnessed a "near miss" were deeply affected by the bombing -- while the "remote miss" group felt invincible and even excited.
They were far enough away from the event and had survived, leading them to feel invulnerable and no longer scared.
Until you've experienced a "near miss," it's easy for your mind to compartmentalize mass shootings that you hear about -- thinking they will never affect you.

A great example of this is country musician Caleb Keeter, who performed at the concert in Las Vegas and experienced a near miss. He now cares:
"I've been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night... We need gun control RIGHT. NOW. My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn't realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it."
For Keeter, it became directly personal. The brutal question we all face is this one -- when will gun violence become personal for a majority of Americans?
Twenty children and six adults killed in Newtown wasn't enough to make us change. They weren't our kids or relatives.
Forty-nine young adults dancing at Pulse wasn't enough to make us change. Those weren't our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters.
Fifty-eight country music fans in Vegas weren't enough to make us change either. We weren't in the audience.
And the 26 churchgoers in Texas won't be enough to make us change either.
The truth is, in a few days, the news cycle will change and life will go on.

And in the meantime, with a mass shooting every day in America, the death toll will keep rising. This will keep happening until it becomes personal. Can we please not wait for that tipping point? Can't we just commit to solving the problem instead?
Fixing the problem: Put our best minds to work


We don't have to agree on what causes a mass shooting -- we just have to agree that we want to solve the problem of mass shootings. We don't need to know how to solve the problem -- we just need to put our best minds to the task of solving it.
We've already learned that arguing about the problem doesn't change anything. Instead, we need a different approach -- looking toward a solution.
This is a moon shot approach, and it's worked for us before. In 1962, when JFK spoke at Rice University, he announced his goal of landing an astronaut on the moon and his confidence in doing so.
Kennedy didn't have his full plan yet. He didn't know exactly how a man would land on the moon. But he did know what he wanted to outcome to look like. He didn't ask Congress to solve it; he challenged our nation to do it.
Using Kennedy's problem-solving approach, let's look at mass shootings in the USA from the same "moon shot" approach.

Imagine if we said that by 2025 we wanted to be nation that led the world in having the least number of mass shootings.
Based on how divided we are and how many tragic shootings happen in this country, this vision may seem as difficult as landing a man on the moon.
Creating this vision is a start because then, we can work backwards and make it happen.

And we must start. We must admit that we have a problem that we want to solve. Because if we don't start now, we'll all be waiting like sitting ducks for the next psycho with too many guns, accessories and ammo to pick off our friends, family and children one by one. You'll face a direct hit. Then you'll care.
There is an answer to this problem. How about we take a moon shot right now and commit to solving it?
And, just imagine. It's 2030, and on the news a headline flashes onto the screen: "USA has been free of mass shootings for years. Here's a look back at how it happened."

• Why Americans don't give a damn about mass shootings - CNN

Backward culture through in through...

The grownups are speaking Jeff

and candles, flowers and teddy bears.

Originally Posted by jabir

and candles, flowers and teddy bears.

Ridiculous, isn't it?
And 45 is just as bad as the NRA, if not worse. He rolls back the mental health requirement to buy guns then blames mental health, not guns, on the Texas massacre.
He takes days to speak out on the Las Vegas massacre, and it was "too soon" to talk about guns.
It took him a matter of hours to roundly condemn terrorism and promise tough laws on immigration when 8 people died at the hands of a brown man.

You can pry my gun from my cold dead hands. What a selfish and ignorant attitude. When will the 2nd Amendment acolytes realise that it's not a 2nd Amendment issue? A well armed militia, eh? Nowhere in the constitution does it mention what types of weapon the citizens shall be armed with, so as well as assault rifles, why not RPGs, grenades, rail guns, tanks with working cannons etc? I would like to wonder how many NRA goons would support mentally ill angry white men having free access to being that sort of "well armed", but I despair and think the fools would welcome it.

Texas church shooter Devin Kelley accused of being a paedophile

9 Nov, 2017 9:50am

Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, opened fire inside a Texas Church, killing at least 26 people.

The man who slaughtered more than two dozen churchgoers in Texas forced a 13-year-old girl to surrender her virginity when he was 18.
Brittany Adcock, 22, says Devin Kelley was a "monster" who forced her to pose nude for him and asked her to move into his home where she would be his "topless maid" - even after he had married.
Kelley committed the deadliest mass shooting on record in Texas when he gunned down 26 people at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs on Sunday (local time). The unborn child of a pregnant woman who was among the dead.

Adcock told the Daily Mirror she met Kelley at a shopping centre when she was just 13 years old and he was legally an adult.
Shortly after they met, their relationship turned sexual.
"It wasn't long after my 13th birthday but it didn't deter him despite him being a man," she said.
"Devin would beg to take pictures of me naked; to please him, I agreed.
"I was so naive. He was a lot older than me and I was bowled over an older guy would show interest in me.
"He took about a dozen pictures and then held them over me for the rest of his life."


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11942044

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Backward culture through in through...

Hey Jeff, its a dam shame you were not in that church eh.

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Backward culture through in through...

And you're of Thai or VNese descent.

The pot calling the kettle black.

Originally Posted by Grampa

And you're of Thai or VNese descent.

The pot calling the kettle black.

His father was a hamster and his mother smelled of elderberries.

Originally Posted by Grampa

And you're of Thai or VNese descent.

Unless he's travelling backwards in time it's ancestry, not descent, you fool. BTW, Flouncy McFuckface, this is not (yet) a sports thread!

Originally Posted by Switch

His father was a hamster and his mother smelled of elderberries.

Sounds Blackadderish.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Unless he's travelling backwards in time it's ancestry, not descent, you fool. BTW, Flouncy McFuckface, this is not (yet) a sports thread!

You're so pedantic Mr, Ph.d.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

And just like Vegas, nothing will change and it will drop out of the news in a few days. Trump already said "it wasn't a gun thing", so end of.

Its happening already,
Just waiting for the next one.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Sounds Blackadderish.

More monty pythonish. Methinks the holy grail.

Not a problem for the looney tunes brigade apparently.

Joe Holcombe and his wife, Claryce, lost eight members of their family in the Texas church shooting last Sunday, including their son, grandchildren, a granddaughter-in-law who was pregnant and a great-granddaughter who was still a toddler. But before the church held its first service since the attack, they were serene.
“It’s just not a problem to us,” said Holcombe, 86, adding that he and 84-year-old Claryce believed their dead family members were now alive again in heaven. “We know exactly where the family is, and it’s not going to be long until we’ll both be there,” he said. “And we’re really sort of looking forward to it.”
The Holcombes were upbeat and full of good humor in a telephone interview, and they were not an exception in a deeply evangelical part of Texas. Relatives and friends of the 25 victims in tiny Sutherland Springs believe good will come from evil and that their loved ones are safe for eternity, and breathing again, with God.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ctims-holcombe

Originally Posted by Cujo

Not a problem for the looney tunes brigade apparently.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ctims-holcombe

Reminds me of the Faux News idiots who said it was a good job they were in church when they were shot.

I get the same cringe feeling when I watch Middle East conflict YouTube videos, and the Moslems thanking Allah in every second sentence for their miraculous salvation , it's like N. Koreans thanking Kim in every sentence .