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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Don't let his costume fool you: his actions are a sea change from those of previous royals in power
    Seems not all that different from most other KSA successions to me, only more so. These almost always involve arrests, murder, or bribery. FWIW I think he will liberalise somewhat as this will help concentrate power in his hands.

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    Right let's play catch up.

    ISTANBUL — Saudi Arabia said Thursday that it had detained more than 200 people as part of an expanding “anti-corruption” campaign that has led to the arrests at least 11 princes and some of the country’s wealthiest and most prominent business tycoons.
    The arrests began last week, and Saudi Arabia’s attorney general, Sheikh Saud al-Mojeb, said in a statement on Thursday that the investigation was proceeding “quickly.” The probe has found that at least $100 billion had been “misused through systematic corruption and embezzlement over several decades,” the statement said, without providing details.
    Saudi Arabia’s sudden and sweeping drive to punish graft, a deeply rooted problem in the country, appears to be closely linked to an effort by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to eliminate challengers and consolidate power before his father, King Salman, dies or abdicates, analysts say.
    The arrests over the past few days include potential rivals, such as Prince Miteb bin Abdullah, who was head of the Saudi National Guard and a favored son of the late King Abdullah. Also detained was Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a billionaire investor who holds large stakes in companies such as Twitter and Apple.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c65_story.html


    LONDON (Alliance News) - Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who was arrested in last week's corruption crackdown in Saudia Arabia, has sold of his USD1.5 billion stake in Rupert Murdoch's Twenty-First Century Fox Inc, ABC reported.
    PRESS: Arrested Saudi Prince Sells USD1.5 Billion Stake In Fox - ABC (ALLISS) - Finance News - London South East


    Saudi authorities have arrested the daughter of detained billionaire, Prince al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz, as part of the oil-rich kingdom’s purported anti-graft campaign, which is considered the biggest purge of the elite in the country’s modern history. Informed sources, requesting anonymity, told Arabic-language Arabi 21 online newspaper that Saudi authorities had detained Princess Reem on Thursday.Her arrest marks the first of its kind among the female members of the Saudi royal family.
    PressTV-Saudi Arabia detains 1st princess as purge widens

    TEL AVIV — Saudi officials who were recently arrested in a corruption crackdown are expected to receive prison sentences of 3-10 years, Saudi news outlet Al Watan has reported.

    According to the report, clause 5 of the Saudi law of sentencing, which relates to the case of government officials violating their oaths of allegiance, stipulates prison sentences of up to 10 years.
    The officials were charged with the Saudi version of perjury, which is defined as “voicing injustice before Allah and before the king,” in addition to violating their duty to protect the nation’s institutions and interests, as well as their oaths of allegiance.
    Saudi Media: Arrested Princes May Face Up to 10 Years in Prison

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    This rumour was always coming....


    Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's purge push in Saudi Arabia took another curious turn after new reports coming out of the region suggested that the helicopter crash that killed Prince bin Muqrin was not a crash, but an assassination attempt, a successful one.
    A Saudi warplane shot down the helicopter that Prince Mansour bin Muqrin and his seven other senior aides took that day, the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth reported.
    Saudi Purge: Reports claim Prince Muqrin helicopter did not crash, was shot down : World, News - India Today

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    Maybe a mysterious spate of suicides to follow.

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    I know Ritz Carlton's aren't cheap and all, but this is a bit fierce....



    Saudi Arabian prince and billionaire Al-Waleed bin Talal has reportedly put two luxury hotels in Lebanon up for sale after being detained in his country amid a corruption sweep.
    Al-Waleed - one of the richest men in the world - was among dozens of princes and former ministers to be arrested in Saudi Arabia hours after an anti-corruption commission was created last week.
    Now it is being reported that he is trying to sell the Four Seasons and Movenpick hotels in Beirut.
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    Daily Star newspaper wrote that a bank in the country was performing due diligence on the assets in a bid to find buyers.
    A source told the paper: 'The bank is supposed to complete due diligence in one month or less. Once due diligence is completed, the results will be announced to the public'.
    Last week it was also revealed that Al-Waleed had sold his five per cent stake in the Rupert Murdoch-dominated media company 21st Century Fox.
    Saudi Arabia's Prince Al-Waleed 'puts two hotels on sale' | Daily Mail Online

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    So he can pay back the money he may have "borrowed" from the state?

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    on my morning commute, listened to a podcast of bbc's hardtalk (one of my favorite podcasts) this morning talking to a saudi journalist in exile in america

    and stephen sackur makes some good points about this being a peaceful revolution that could bring saudi arabia into the 21 century (my words) in terms of moderate islam and human rights.

    BBC World News - HARDtalk, Jamal Khashoggi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    on my morning commute, listened to a podcast of bbc's hardtalk (one of my favorite podcasts) this morning talking to a saudi journalist in exile in america

    and stephen sackur makes some good points about this being a peaceful revolution that could bring saudi arabia into the 21 century (my words) in terms of moderate islam and human rights.

    BBC World News - HARDtalk, Jamal Khashoggi
    Alternatively it could just be MbS's way to get himself the top job and annihalate the opposition, while enhancing the people's support.

    I'd imagine he'll still be locking up and executing anyone who is a threat to the Al Saud gravy train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'd imagine he'll still be locking up and executing anyone who is a threat to his faction of the Al Saud gravy train.
    ...ftfy...

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    Saudi princes and officials who were arrested in the Kingdom’s mass purge could face trial and jail terms at the Kingdom’s maximum security prison, Al-Ha’ir, if they do not give up their financial assets, the Wall Street Journal quoted a Saudi source as saying.
    “Some detainees have succumbed to pressure and could be released on probation and imposed house arrest until funds are transferred from their accounts,” the paper said.
    According to the newspaper, Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman who leads the anti-corruption campaign is personally supervising the negotiations with the detainees and has become a regular visitor to the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Riyadh where they are being held.
    “Bin Salman travels with a few trusted advisers and spends several hours in each visit, according to a Saudi official,” the paper said.


    According to Saudi sources, the Crown Prince has been negotiating with the detainees at the Ritz-Carlton for two weeks to give up most of their wealth in exchange for their freedom.
    The Wall Street Journal noted that the commission of inquiry wants about 70 per cent of the detainees’ wealth noting that more than 2,000 accounts have been frozen so far.”
    #MBS

    The newspaper said that “a large part of the detainees’ wealth is in accounts outside the country, making it difficult for the Saudi authorities to confiscate them through legal channels.”
    Last week, the US Department of the Treasury said it was following closely the deal Saudi authorities had offered to princes and businessmen arrested earlier this month on charges of corruption.

    Earlier, the British Financial Times reported that the deals with the princes were likely to include pledges of allegiance to Bin Salman.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...-their-wealth/

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    It seems MbS is pulling out all the stops.

    He put that awful BBC hag with the weird accent in there.



    Inside Saudi Arabia's gilded prison at Riyadh Ritz-Carlton - BBC News

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    So it seems one of the measures was that Saudi royals actually had to pay their own fucking electricity bills. Imagine!

    Anyway, 11 more princes turned up to protest.

    And got arrested and carted off.


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    Saudi to extradite nationals abroad charged with corruption
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    Saudi Arabia plans to extradite its nationals living abroad and involved in corruption cases, the Sabq local online news reported on Thursday.
    Attorney General of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and member of the Supreme Committee for Combating Corruption Sheikh Saud al-Mujab asserted that anti-corruption efforts would continue and suspects in corruption cases who fled the country would be brought back in cooperation with states they are living in through international arrest warrants after enough evidence is collected against them, Xinhua news agency reported.
    The suspects are part of the biggest corruption case in Saudi Arabia that led to the arrest of 159 individuals including princes and sitting and former ministers in November 2017.
    Some 376 bank accounts of the detainees or related persons were frozen. Majority of those arrested were released after accepting the settlement. Mujab said that the cases against the suspects weren't only related to money but also to exploitation of power.

    https://www.khaleejtimes.com/region/...ith-corruption


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    that's your male mianoi fooked harry, how are you going to survive if he extradited ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post

    and stephen sackur makes some good points about this being a peaceful revolution that could bring saudi arabia into the 21 century (my words) in terms of moderate islam and human rights.

    BBC World News - HARDtalk, Jamal Khashoggi
    Bringing those shitholes back into the 21 century?
    Not everyone here on TD is going to like this. Especially the Arab Twats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    that's your male mianoi fooked harry, how are you going to survive if he extradited ?
    When I read what you type I hear Manuel out of Fawlty Towers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Bringing those shitholes back into the 21 century?
    Not everyone here on TD is going to like this. Especially the Arab Twats.
    They're just biding their time.

    The longer the big boys have to trouser their winnings, the more they'll have to look forward to when the evacuation plan kicks in and they fuck off from their private airfield in their private jet to one of their many private estates well away from the sandpit.

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    Saudi Arabia's most famous billionaire prince, Alwaleed bin Talal, is negotiating a possible settlement with authorities in return for ending his two months detention in an anti-corruption crackdown.

    According to a senior Saudi official who spoke to Reuters, a sum has not yet been agreed.

    "He offered a certain figure but it doesn't meet the figure required from him, and until today the attorney-general hasn't approved it," the official said on condition of anonymity.

    A second source familiar with Prince Alwaleed's case told Reuters on Saturday that the price had offered to make a "donation" to the Saudi government, which would avoid any admission of wrongdoing, and to do so from assets of his own choosing.

    The government refused those terms, the source said.


    Reuters said the prince's Kingdom Holding company's share price jumped as much as 9.8 percent on Sunday in response to news of the negotiations, adding about $860 million to the company's capitalisation.

    The stock price was still seven percent below its level just before Prince Alwaleed was detained.


    Since early November Prince Alwaleed has been held - along with dozens of other members of Saudi Arabia's political and business elite detained in the
    crackdown - in Riyadh's opulent Ritz Carlton hotel as authorities seek to reach settlements with the detainees.


    Saudi officials say they aim to claw back some $100 billion of funds that "
    rightfully belong to the state". Critics say this amounts to a shake down to boost the plans of the powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.


    The allegations against Prince Alwaleed include money laundering, bribery and extorting officials, a Saudi official told Reuters soon after his detention. Neither he nor his company has commented publicly on the charges.


    Kingdom Holding, which has said it is continuing to operate normally, did not respond to requests for comment when asked about any settlement talks.


    Prince AlWaleed formed Kingdom Holding in 1979 and initially poured money into real estate in Riyadh before venturing into Wall Street, investing heavily in Citigroup.


    Kingdom Holding is one of Saudi Arabia's most important investors with shares in the Euro Disney theme park, US tech giant Apple and Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, among others.


    It also has key stakes in banks at home and abroad, as well as a number of investment, media and agricultural companies.


    Aside from a stake in Citigroup, Prince al-Waleed, 62, owns significant stakes in Twitter, ride-hailing firm Lyft and Time Warner.


    Prince Alwaleed bin Talal made headlines in 2015 when he called Donald Trump a "disgrace" on Twitter during the US election campaign.

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...up-for-freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    Critics say this amounts to a shake down to boost the plans of the powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
    So what are his plans, both alleged and possible ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    So what are his plans, both alleged and possible ?
    a) to remove any threat to the authority of his branch of the Al-Saud family...
    b) to redirect corruption flows to those closer to his branch of the family...
    c) to reshape the current Saudi social mess into one (mess) more like Abu Dhabi minus the bars...
    d) to rein in the power and authority of religious cavemen (and women)...
    e) to lessen the current Saudi reliance on the vagaries of the oil market in favor of a more diversified economy...
    f) to reduce the amount of time males spend adjusting traditional headdresses...
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    Saudi general 'may have been tortured to death' during Ritz-Carlton crackdown


    Saudi general may have been tortured to death and several wealthy businessmen were allegedly abused in captivity at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel during Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s recent crackdown on powerful figures in Saudi Arabia, according to a newspaper report.
    More than 200 businessmen, princes and government officials were detained in November and imprisoned at the luxury hotel in Riyadh in what the Saudi government said was an anti-corruption drive.
    According to the New York Times, some of the powerful detainees may have suffered abuse at the hands of their captors as they were coerced into agreements to hand over billions of dollars to the Saudi government in return for their freedom.
    Saudi Arabia has dismissed the allegations of abuse as “absolutely untrue”.
    The most dramatic accusation involves Major General Ali al-Qahtani, an aide to a senior Saudi prince seen as a potential rival to the 32-year-old Prince Mohammed, who died in government custody in mid-December.

    Sources told the newspaper that the general’s “neck was twisted unnaturally as though it had been broken” and that his body had burn marks which appeared to be the result of electric shocks.
    General Qahtani was taken to hospital in November but was reportedly returned to his interrogation after being seen by doctors. The government has not offered an official explanation for how he died.


    The general’s death had been widely reported in Arab and Iranian media previously but not in detail. The US report comes shortly before Prince Mohammed, known by his initials “MBS”, is due in Washington for meetings with the Trump administration.
    General Qahtani was an aide to Prince Turki bin Abdullah, a former governor of Riyadh who is from a rival line of the Saudi royal family to Prince Mohammed. Prince Turki was himself detained during the November crackdown on allegations of corruption. He was eventually released.


    A further 16 detainees were allegedly left in need of medical treatment after their abuse. Some reportedly told family members they had been beaten, deprived of sleep, or interrogated with hoods over their heads.
    “All allegations of abuse and torture of those investigated during the anti-corruption proceedings are absolutely untrue,” a Saudi official said.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ndation-widget


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