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    Worst result is a few thou quality asylum seekers in Britland.

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    What's new is MBS has taken on all the Saudi power blocks at once. Historically the coup instigator has included the other families.

    I wonder how much of the confisgated billons will find it's way to the general Saudi population.

    Seems to smell a little of Stalins old actions. Will they start playing the Russian music on the TV channels.
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    Allgedly SA has declared war on Lebanon.

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    No need to go ahead with ARAMCO sell of now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Allgedly SA has declared war on Lebanon
    who's alleging?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    . Historically the coup instigator has included the other families.
    There are no other families, only al-Saud. Because of the way Saudi Kingship works he is removing all possible rivals for the throne.
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    I wonder how much of the confisgated billons will find it's way to the general Saudi population.
    None. Absolutely everyone in KSA is corrupt, nobody expects that to change. Calling it a war on corruption is a way to get the western bleeding-hearts to shut up while carrying on with knocking off the old guard.
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Seems to smell a little of Stalins old actions.
    Not really. The last of Abdul Aziz's and Hussa al-Sudairi's sons is about to die so MBS is clearing the decks for a rival-free reign. One positive thing about it is that MBS has absolutely no vested interest in pandering to the religious dinosaurs that currently have so much power in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    No need to go ahead with ARAMCO sell of now?
    Reasoning, please.

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    Silent coup.
    Consolidating control.

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    Aramco was to be sold due to SA budget requirements. Withe new confiscated "private funds" that would not be required.

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    Apparently the people suspected of corruption have been detained in a 5 star hotel. The Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h-ritz-carlton


    At 11pm on Saturday, guests at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Riyadh got a rude awakening. Businesspeople and consultants who were staying in one of Riyadh’s most opulent digs, along with diners and visitors, were all told to assemble in the lobby with their bags. No one knew why.

    As guests made their way to buses to be taken to other hotels in the Saudi capital, senior officials were making plans for new arrivals who weren’t prepared for a night away from home, let alone a spell in a five-star hotel. They were soon to become the highest-profile prisoners in the modern kingdom’s history. And the most pampered.

    Demeaning one, by putting him in a prison cell, is a slur that would be felt far wider, and would have implications tribally. Any insult, perceived or otherwise, could break ties that bind society in Saudi Arabia, and in tribal societies more generally. Senior figures have long held a stake in the system, which in turn helps secure their loyalty. If that stake was shattered, Saudi leaders could not bank on the enduring loyalty of family members they need to secure their reign. “He couldn’t have put them in the jail,” said a senior official. “And he would have known that. So this was the most dignified solution he could find.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Apparently the people suspected of corruption have been detained in a 5 star hotel. The Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h-ritz-carlton


    At 11pm on Saturday, guests at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Riyadh got a rude awakening. Businesspeople and consultants who were staying in one of Riyadh’s most opulent digs, along with diners and visitors, were all told to assemble in the lobby with their bags. No one knew why.

    As guests made their way to buses to be taken to other hotels in the Saudi capital, senior officials were making plans for new arrivals who weren’t prepared for a night away from home, let alone a spell in a five-star hotel. They were soon to become the highest-profile prisoners in the modern kingdom’s history. And the most pampered.

    Demeaning one, by putting him in a prison cell, is a slur that would be felt far wider, and would have implications tribally. Any insult, perceived or otherwise, could break ties that bind society in Saudi Arabia, and in tribal societies more generally. Senior figures have long held a stake in the system, which in turn helps secure their loyalty. If that stake was shattered, Saudi leaders could not bank on the enduring loyalty of family members they need to secure their reign. “He couldn’t have put them in the jail,” said a senior official. “And he would have known that. So this was the most dignified solution he could find.”

    Kinda makes sense within these very high and convoluted circles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    who's alleging?...
    If one can believe ME press and the SA Government ministers.
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    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/11/07/Saudi-Arabia-We-will-treat-Lebanese-government-as-a-declaration-of-war.html

    "Saudi minister of Gulf affairs, Thamer al-Sabhan, said on Monday that Lebanon had declared war against Saudi Arabia because of what he described as aggression against the Kingdom by the Iran-backed group Hezbollah. “We will treat the government of Lebanon as a government declaring war on Saudi Arabia due to the aggression of Hezbollah,” he said in response to the recent decisions taken by the Lebanese government.

    Al Arabiya reported that Saudi King Salman had informed the outgoing Prime Minister Saad Hariri of the details of Hezbollah’s aggression against Saudi Arabia, adding that the Lebanese government should be aware of the dangers imposed by these militias.

    Sabhan added that Hezbollah militias are involved in terrorist acts that threatens the Kingdom, stressing that Saudi Arabia will use all political and other means to confront what he called the “Party of Satan.

    Also against Iran it seems as well:

    Statement by the Command of the Coalition to Restore Legitimacy in Yemen The official Saudi Press Agency

    "Therefore, the Coalition's Command considers this a blatant act of military aggression by the Iranian regime, and could rise to be considered as an act of war against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and thus affirms the legitimate right of the Kingdom to defend its territory and people in accordance with Article (51) of the U.N. Charter. The Coalition Command also affirms that the Kingdom reserves its right to respond to Iran in the appropriate time and manner, in accordance with international law and based upon the right of self-defense, including the defense of its territory, its people, and its vital interests, which is enshrined in international agreements and conventions including the UN Charter."
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    The Coalition Command also affirms that the Kingdom reserves its right to respond to Iran in the appropriate time and manner, in accordance with international law and based upon the right of self-defense, including the defense of its territory, its people, and its vital interests, which is enshrined in international agreements and conventions including the UN Charter."
    How greathearted from the Saudis that they let us know...





    CHILDREN AT WAR: SAUDI ARABIA IS BOMBING YEMEN BUT BLAMES HUMANITARIAN DISASTER ON IRAN-BACKED HOUTHIS
    9/21/17

    Newsweek: Since the war in Yemen began more than two years ago, more than 10,000 civilians have been killed, and some 3 million have been displaced. According to the World Health Organization, an unprecedented cholera outbreak is now ravaging a growing percentage of the country, with 500,000 known cases and 2,000 dead. WHO estimates by the end of the year, 600,000 Yemenis—that’s one in every 45 people in the country—will come down with cholera. The U.N. now calls Yemen the world’s greatest humanitarian disaster. Yet it’s a preventable, man-made catastrophe that’s directly the result of the war that the Saudi-led coalition is waging in Yemen. How does Saudi Arabia respond to these charges?

    Children at War: Saudi Arabia Is Bombing Yemen But Blames Humanitarian Disaster on Iran-Backed Houthis

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    Perhaps, the new US supplies to Saudis will help to solve the humanitarian disaster...

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    ^ Putin stepped in to help the Saudis by selling them $3 billion in arms just a couple of weeks ago. Think that will help the humanitarian crisis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Perhaps, the new US supplies to Saudis will help to solve the humanitarian disaster...
    If you check the arms manufacturers web sites none of them have actually revived an order, just a MOU. We know how MOU do, or maybe don't, actually turn into a delivered item.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ Putin stepped in to help the Saudis by selling them $3 billion in arms just a couple of weeks ago. Think that will help the humanitarian crisis?
    The delivery time, if orders are received and payments made are possibly 4 yeras away, allegedly.

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    Seems lke Saudi Arabia wants to fight everyone. What did Trump slip in the tea when he was there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Seems lke Saudi Arabia wants to fight everyone.
    Seems as they wouldn't be so brazen if not so secure and cozy with the respected super powers, which obviously appears to be the case.

    As some have suggested already - a new generational change is underway, vying for all that will be available - financial, political, and cultural orders.

    These actions are not by happenstance. Whose puppeting who?

    Meet the old boss, same as the old boss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Meet the old boss, same as the old boss?
    Don't let his costume fool you: his actions are a sea change from those of previous royals in power...whether he's a brash young fool trying to accomplish too much at once or an astute manipulator with guaranteed backup remains to be seen...assassinations are not uncommon in that part of the world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ Putin stepped in to help the Saudis by selling them $3 billion in arms just a couple of weeks ago. Think that will help the humanitarian crisis?
    Perhaps the Russians want to faze out the US/UK sellers? And the Russian arms are surely for "defense" only - humanitarian

    Russia and Saudi Arabia 'sign $3bn arms deal' as King Salman visit shows how much relations have changed
    Sergei Lavrov calls it ‘a real turning point’. For Saudi Arabia, King Salman says, Russia is ‘a friendly country
    5 October 2017

    According to the Kommersant newspaper, agreement has already been reached on a $3bn (£2.2bn) deal to supply the Saudis with Russia’s most advanced air defence missile system, the S400 Triumph. According to the publication, the deal will be signed off at a WTO meeting at the end of October. There may be other deals forthcoming on aircraft and helicopters – that depending on the success of talks.

    Defence is one of few technological sectors where Russia can still claim to be a world leader, with over a fifth of all arms deals in 2016. But with China and India, Russia’s biggest markets, looking to move towards military self-sufficiency, Russia is with increasing urgency looking to open new markets.
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    Most recently, Russian operations in Syria have put it in direct conflict with Saudi interests. The Saudis remain opposed to Bashar al-Assad, whose regime is being supported by Russian military power. The gulf kingdom, on its part, is also believed to be funding rebel groups opposed to al-Assad.

    But while the sides remain some way from a common position, the Independent has learned negotiators believe progress on de-escalation zones may be made.

    “The Saudis have lost interest and realise that Russia now owns the crisis,” says Yuri Barmin, an expert at the Russian International Affairs Council. “They see how the balance of power is changing in the region: how the US is pulling out and how Russia is now increasing its influence in the Middle East.”

    “King Salman wants Russia’s backing for his son,” says Mr Barmin. “Bin Salman is poorly perceived at home over his role in the unpopular Yemen war and the blockade of Qatar.”

    So far, the record on Saudi investment is poor. Of $10bn (£7bn) promised to Russia in 2015, only $1billion has actually ever materialised.

    Russia and Saudi Arabia 'sign $3bn arms deal' as King Salman visit shows how much relations have changed | The Independent

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    Shouldn't be too long now before it's "KMBS".

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    I doubt if ameristan and it's vassals will just walk away fom SA.

    Without SA the petrodollar is toast.

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    ^^ Just SA corrupt eh?

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