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    This is why the State needs to create a balance between regulating gun ownership, the processes involved enable to be allowed to own a gun like mental/psychological checks, and routinely checking the status of gun owners.

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    ...^post forwarded to the NRA...

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    More confusion about the time line...

    Federal agents told ABC News, however, the FBI has known for several days that the Sheriff Joseph Lombardo, chief of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, was providing inaccurate information to the public about the sequence of events inside the Mandalay Bay hotel.

    Lombardo acknowledged on Monday, under pressure from the FBI, that Campos reported that he had been shot at least six minutes before the rampage began.


    “What we have learned is Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said in a press conference.


    According to Brad Garrett, a former FBI agent and ABC News consultant, the change is significant. If the hotel knew there was an active shooter on the 32nd floor six minutes before the rampage began, Garrett says, it raises the question of whether they could have done more to stop him.
    A new timeline raises new questions about the hotel’s response to Vegas shooting - ABC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    According to Brad Garrett, a former FBI agent and ABC News consultant, the change is significant. If the hotel knew there was an active shooter on the 32nd floor six minutes before the rampage began, Garrett says, it raises the question of whether they could have done more to stop him.
    I'd be curious to know whether hotel security is truly equipped to deal with a situation like this. Some of these casinos do have pretty major security operations, but a lot of them are tailored more to catching cheaters, robbers and the like. My guess is this siutation was way above their pay grade.

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    Here come the ambulance chasers.

    "A California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

    The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice gunman Stephen Paddock's behavior in several instances."

    Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Here come the ambulance chasers.
    Sue everybody, maybe the insurance companies will get tired of paying out on all the lawsuits and start pushing for some gun control

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    Here is an interview with the shooters brother.

    It's worth watching. He seems under stress and/or drunk or on something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    He seems under stress and/or drunk or on something.
    i wonder why that would be?

    i'm reminded of a scene from the movie, "the insider"
    Ordinary people under extraordinary pressure, Mike. What the hell do you expect? Grace and consistency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    Here is an interview with the shooters brother.

    It's worth watching. He seems under stress and/or drunk or on something.

    Of course he's under stress, you total fkn tool. What are you doing posting at this time anyway? Isn't this your day to be spat at by monkeys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Of course he's under stress, you total fkn tool. What are you doing posting at this time anyway? Isn't this your day to be spat at by monkeys?
    Aren't they just supposed to throw poo at him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Aren't they just supposed to throw poo at him?
    I understand they had a vote.

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    in the meantime the official story is full of cracks, time inconsistencies, and plot holes

    humm, sounds a lot familar, 911 Part Deux ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    in the meantime the official story is full of cracks, time inconsistencies, and plot holes

    humm, sounds a lot familar, 911 Part Deux ?
    You're an idiot aren't you.

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    Not exactly.

    Half-way between that and a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Not exactly.

    Half-way between that and a troll.
    Nah, he's an idiot.

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    you fools are funny, calling others idiots

    quadruple irony or something,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    humm, sounds a lot familar, 911 Part Deux ?
    red owed.

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    I have to say, something is not right about this investigation, local cops running the show even though he allegedly looked at other targets in other states.

    The FBI and the justice department have taken over much lessor crimes, yet they have left this to a sheriffs department to take the lead.
    Not saying the FBI are not investigating, but they are not taking the lead for some reason, just sounds like they want to stay in the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    I have to say, something is not right about this investigation, local cops running the show even though he allegedly looked at other targets in other states.

    The FBI and the justice department have taken over much lessor crimes, yet they have left this to a sheriffs department to take the lead.
    Not saying the FBI are not investigating, but they are not taking the lead for some reason, just sounds like they want to stay in the background.
    Does it not make sense to you that a joint FBI/Local law enforcement investigation combines the best of both worlds: Local knowledge and federal resources?

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    Mandalay Bay owner insisted security guard Jesus Campos appear ONLY on Ellen and not be grilled by TV hardhitters fearing his answers to timeline questions could result in massive lawsuits from victims of the massacre
    Friday, Oct 20th 2017

    Jesus Campos, the Mandalay Bay hotel security guard who first alerted police to the Vegas gunman, appeared on Ellen for his first and only interview Wednesday

    MGM, which owns Mandalay Bay, thought Campos might not keep his story straight under the pressure of the TV lights and hard questioning

    Campos booked interviews with all the major networks last week before cancelling at the last minute and disappearing

    Union boss David Hickey who was helping set up the deal, told DailyMail.com ‘It certainly wasn’t my choice that he should appear on that circus'

    Ellen did not press him on the official timeline of the shooting, which has changed three times since the massacre

    MGM has disputed the official timeline, which insinuated they may have waited six minutes to call cops

    Police later changed the timeline again, saying that Campos immediately called in the shooting as soon as he was injured

    Read more: Las Vegas hotel insisted Jesus Campos only appear on Ellen | Daily Mail Online

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    CCTV, phone and other records should be able to give a precise and definitive timeline for at least some events, unless there are reasons to keep it fuzzy while some parties get their stories right.

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    New timeline for Las Vegas massacre shows security guard Jesus Campos was shot a minute AFTER gunman began firing on crowd, contradicting previous police reports
    Thursday, Oct 26th 2017

    New chronology sheds light on what happened at Mandalay Bay

    Previously it was claimed Jesus Campos was shot before massacre began

    Digital experts created timeline by analyzing footage and audio of the tragedy

    They determined Paddock fired a series of 12 automatic bursts during slaughter

    A new timeline for the Las Vegas massacre has been released, putting the shooting of hotel security guard Jesus Campos just after the slaughter began rather than just before - as cops previously claimed.

    Digital experts working for The New York Times analyzed 30 videos from the murderous rampage on October 1 to piece together a chronology of events.

    They determined that 64-year-old Stephen Paddock began firing at the Route 91 Harvest festival concertgoers at 10.05pm, starting out with single shots.

    According to The Times, Mandalay Bay security guard Campos was shot a minute later - at 10.06pm - and not before the massacre began, as police had said earlier.


    Read more: New timeline for Las Vegas massacre | Daily Mail Online

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    A minute or two isn't going to make any difference to events.

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    what are they hiding exactly ?

    911 deja vu again, and JFK new releases is going to show the world what kind of game the CIA and FBI are really playing,

    enough with the typical American hypocrisy

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