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    Uber loses license to operate in London

    Uber loses license to operate in London

    TfL, London's transport regulator, rejected the company's license renewal request due to Uber's "lack of corporate responsibility."

    Transport for London, the British capital's transport regulator, refused to renew Uber's private hire license on Friday.
    Uber currently holds a license to operate in the city, but it will expire on Sept. 30. TfL holds private hire regulators to high standards in order to ensure passenger safety, and companies are not allowed to operate if not awarded a license.
    "TfL has concluded that Uber London Limited is not fit and proper to hold a private hire operator licence," the regulator said in a statement. The company's "approach and conduct demonstrate a lack of corporate responsibility in relation to a number of issues which have potential public safety and security implications" means its license will not be renewed, it said.
    TfL's decision is a fresh blow for Uber in what has been a year fraught with difficulties. The ride-hailing service has long struggled to meet local regulatory requirements as it has spread around the world, and has frequently faced opposition from the established taxi industry, including in London -- a city famous for its black cabs. But in 2017, the company has fought battles on multiple fronts, dealing with sexual harassment accusations and claims about company culture, which resulted in the resignation of CEO Travis Kalanick in June.
    TfL listed its reasons for not renewing the license as follows:

    • Uber's approach to reporting serious criminal offences.
    • Uber's approach to how medical certificates are obtained.
    • Uber's approach to how Enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) checks are obtained.
    • Uber's approach to explaining the use of Greyball in London - software that could be used to block regulatory bodies from gaining full access to the app and prevent officials from undertaking regulatory or law enforcement duties.

    Uber has 21 days to appeal the decision and can continue to operate throughout the appeals process. The company plans to immediately appeal the decision in the courts, it said in an emailed statement.
    "3.5 million Londoners who use our app, and more than 40,000 licensed drivers who rely on Uber to make a living, will be astounded by this decision," said Tom Elvidge, Uber's general manager in London.
    "By wanting to ban our app from the capital Transport for London and the Mayor have caved in to a small number of people who want to restrict consumer choice. If this decision stands, it will put more than 40,000 licensed drivers out of work and deprive Londoners of a convenient and affordable form of transport."

    https://www.cnet.com/news/uber-loses...tag=CAD590a51e



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    I can see them winning on appeal, agree to whatever the London Transport authority is asking and show they've made the relevant changes, will probably have to change their business model somewhat though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    I can see them winning on appeal, agree to whatever the London Transport authority is asking and show they've made the relevant changes, will probably have to change their business model somewhat though.
    I don't see how conforming to regulations like that affects their business model.

    They were already willing to pay for an operating license.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to ask them to be accountable for what their drivers do.

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    It's what I mean this is just to bring them into line, will be too much political pressure for them not to turn the result over on appeal as they ain't going to allow 10k people to be jobless overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    It's what I mean this is just to bring them into line, will be too much political pressure for them not to turn the result over on appeal as they ain't going to allow 10k people to be jobless overnight.
    40K apparently. Including a few rapists.

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    Good.

    Uber can fuck right off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017 View Post
    Good.

    Uber can fuck right off.
    Got a cabby in the family Albert?

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    Not only can they operate as long as the appeal process is going on, but....

    Loophole?

    Could passengers in London still legally book an Uber even if the firm lost its TfL operating license? In theory, yes.
    In England and Wales, passengers can book a private hire vehicle from anywhere they like - just so long as the driver, the vehicle and the operator are all licensed by the same authority, and the booking is processed in that authority's area.
    That doesn't need to be the same place the passenger wants to be picked up or dropped off. Uber has lots of licenses outside London, and app-based services like Uber can process bookings almost anywhere they like.
    TfL aren't happy with this state of affairs and say they're lobbying the Government to tighten up the rules.
    But for the time being, even after Uber lost their London license, a passenger in the capital could book an Uber licensed in, say, Brighton - and it would be completely above board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    40K apparently. Including a few rapists.
    They have no excuse for that as obviously not doing the proper checks which I think is part of the claim, but funnily enough I just got a letter through from the DBS (Disclosure and Barring Service) today just listing my one conviction from 2001 but it says I was fined 290, 460 costs and a imprisoned for 14 days. Now I definitely wasn't sentenced or served anytime in prison and if I remember (maybe incorrectly) I was fined 500 and 500 costs and paid 1000. So if the info they have on me is wrong, in terms of sentence anyway I imagine then maybe it is wrong for countless others so maybe they do have an excuse for employing rapists if the DBS check came back clean.

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    If u have ever been or better, lived in the UK you know how easy it is to get a taxi. All company have call centers and 10 max wait on car, apps for booking taxi and tracking how far the car is, and all other stuff. UBER was a bit of a risk in UK i think, and in order to last they had to deliver something Extra...which they didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonx View Post
    If u have ever been or better, lived in the UK you know how easy it is to get a taxi. All company have call centers and 10 max wait on car, apps for booking taxi and tracking how far the car is, and all other stuff. UBER was a bit of a risk in UK i think, and in order to last they had to deliver something Extra...which they didn't
    Uber have 3.5 million users in London alone.

    What they deliver is an easy, cheap service, unfortunately with a few rapists.

    60% of Londoners want it to continue. The Over 55's are against it, but most of them can't even work a fucking mobile.

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