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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Don't you know what ETA is then Begbie?

    The Spanish equivalent of all those pikey "Scots".
    Go and read up on ETA before you come on here slavering pish and making a James Hunt of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    Catalonia is the wealthiest part of Spain. There is no way the fascists in Madrid will let it go.
    And Catalonians are not going to roll over either. A potential powder keg if not resolved with some sort of political compromise from Madrid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    Catalonia is the wealthiest part of Spain. There is no way the fascists in Madrid will let it go.
    Such a contrast to Scotland, where it's an economic liability ruled by fascists desperate to tear it off and pin all their hopes Venezuela-style on oil, and drive the nation into a Greek tragedy-styled ajockalypse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    And Catalonians are not going to roll over either. A potential powder keg if not resolved with some sort of political compromise from Madrid.
    I hope they dont roll over the way too many Scots did when we had our independence referendum. We were like the blind leading the blind going into ours and the animosity towards the central government in London wasn't there but the Catalans seem more determined and they have the momentum to see this through. Also the hatred they seem to have towards Madrid will spur them on. Dont forget they were still getting brutally oppressed in the 70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    I hope they dont roll over the way too many Scots did when we had our independence referendum.
    They didn't "roll over", they got out and outvoted you because they want to be British AND Scottish.

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    150 agents of the Civil Guard Rapid Action Group (RAG) are in a hangar in El Prat, one of the airports with the largest air traffic in Spain, in anticipation that groups related to independence fulfill their threat to take control of infrastructures like airports, ports and borders..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    Such a contrast to Scotland, where it's an economic liability ruled by fascists desperate to tear it off and pin all their hopes Venezuela-style on oil, and drive the nation into a Greek tragedy-styled ajockalypse.

    Absolutely - Stoneybridge Town Council (Olympic Bid) - Video Dailymotion
    We actually pin our hopes on tourism, technology and whisky exports. Any money we make from the oil is just a bonus.

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    If Catalonia goes, the Basques may feel encouraged to seek independence, then the folks in Andalucia: Spain may end up a balkanized mess of hyper-sensitive "tribes with flags"...all to appease parochial politicians...of course, in some countries, secession might be a positive: Texas leaps to mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    We actually pin our hopes on tourism, technology and whisky exports. Any money we make from the oil is just a bonus.
    Thus confiming that slimey salmond fucked up royally because he'd pinned Scotland's budget on the oil price staying in three figures.

    Which everyone knew was shite except the silly SNP.

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    ^Stick to your bathtub gin Harry and leave off trolling about things of which you know nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    ^Stick to your bathtub gin Harry and leave off trolling about things of which you know nothing.
    Stroo tho innit.

    Truth hurts eh?

    Scotland's oil revenue is running dry

    Back in 2014, the SNP made a big noise about just how well an independent Scotland could perform on the world stage. Central to this thesis was the amount of money the country could make from North Sea oil.
    Estimates as to just how much revenue could be produced from North Sea oil varied significantly depending on who you asked - but the price of oil itself seemed to be relatively stable at between $90 and $110 per barrel.
    In September 2014 - the month of the referendum - crude oil prices were ticking along at $91 per barrel.
    Of course if you cadge enough cash off the rest of Britain, they can build a load of wind farms for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    We actually pin our hopes on tourism, technology and whisky exports. Any money we make from the oil is just a bonus.
    Yes, companies like Wolfson, Clydespace, Brewdog have success that is completely dependent on maintaining the union... where do you think they do the most business?

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    Huge demonstration against Catalan independence in Barcelona



    Huge demonstration against Catalan independence in Barcelona

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    So, 1,000,000 Catalans march "for" independence last month, https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...onal-day-diada
    ...then 50,000 Spaniards march "against" independence today, Catalonia referendum: 50,000 pro-Spain protesters gather in Madrid as dozens of smaller demonstrations call for dialogue | The Independent
    ...and the press condemn the Catalan's quest for self-determination as "selfish"?! https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-spain-protest

    So where all the other marches in London they trumpeted about, "selfish" too? Is wanting what you want, now "selfish", until you change your main and want what someone else wants?! This is the mentality of a 5-year-old!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    Spain's King condemns 'irresponsible behavior' by Catalan leaders

    Published on Oct 4, 2017

    In a televised address, Spain's King Felipe VI on Tuesday accused Catalan secessionist leaders of shattering democratic principles and dividing Catalan society, as thousands took to the streets to protest against a violent police crackdown against the banned independence referendum held on Sunday.

    Spain's King Felipe VI on Tuesday accused Catalan secessionist leaders of shattering democratic principles and dividing Catalan society, as thousands took to the streets to protest against a violent police crackdown against the banned independence referendum held on Sunday.

    The televised speech, a rare intervention by the 49-year-old monarch who is normally silent on politics, was a sign of how deeply Spain has been shaken by the Catalan vote and a police crackdown that injured 900 people.

    On Tuesday tens of thousands of Catalans demonstrated in the streets of the northeastern region against action by the police who tried to disrupt Sunday's vote by firing rubber bullets and charging into crowds with truncheons.

    Tuesday's protests shut down road traffic, public transport and businesses.

    The referendum and its aftermath have plunged Spain into its worst constitutional crisis in decades, and are a political test for Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, a conservative who has taken a hard line stance on the issue.

    Late Tuesday Catalonia's leader, Carles Puigdemont, told the BBC that the region will declare independence in a matter of days.

    Pro-independence parties who control the regional government staged Sunday's referendum in defiance of the Constitutional Court, which had ruled that the vote violated Spain's 1978 constitution which states the country is indivisible.

    Catalonia, Spain's richest region, has its own language and culture and a political movement for secession that has strengthened in recent years.

    Those who participated in Sunday's ballot voted overwhelmingly for independence, a result that was expected since residents who favour remaining part of Spain mainly boycotted the referendum. Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont has said the result is valid and must be implemented.

    Outside of Catalonia, Spaniards mostly hold strong views against its independence drive. In his televised address, the king said the "irresponsible behaviour" of the Catalan leaders had undermined social harmony in the region.



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1C80UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilsonandson View Post
    Spaniards mostly hold strong views against its independence drive.
    Which country whole population will be happy when its strongest portion wants to part? (perhaps UK when Scotland goes?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    Slightly O.T. some historical background. Unfortunately from Wikipedia.


    Lluís Companys i Jover (21 June 1882 – 15 October 1940) was the President of Catalonia , from 1934 and during the Spanish Civil War

    He was a lawyer and leader of the Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC) political party. Exiled after the war, he was captured and handed over by the Nazi secret police, the Gestapo, to the Spanish dictatorship of Francisco Franco, who had him executed by firing squad in 1940. Companys is the only incumbent democratically elected president in European history to have been executed, and seventy-five years later the council of war which sentenced him is still in force.
    Jail and execution: Madrid makes veiled threat to Catalan leader by raising predecessor’s fate
    Published time: 10 Oct, 2017

    Just ahead of a highly anticipated speech in which the Catalan leader is expected to declare the region’s independence from Spain, the Spanish ruling party has resorted to making threatening allusions to a previous independence bid.
    “History should not be repeated. Let’s hope that nothing is declared tomorrow because perhaps the one who declares it will end up like the one declared it 83 years ago,” spokesman for Spain’s ruling People's Party (PP) Pablo Casado said on Monday. The statement came less than 24 hours ahead of Carles Puigdemont’s address to the Catalan parliament, where he is widely expected to defy the Madrid authorities and declare the region’s secession from Spain.

    Casado was apparently referring to Lluis Companys, president of Catalonia in the 1930s who proclaimed a ‘Catalan State within the Spanish Federal Republic’ in 1934. Companys had to flee after the Spanish Civil War to France, where he was later captured by the Nazis and handed over to Franco's regime. In 1940, Companys was tried for military rebellion and executed.

    https://www.rt.com/news/406202-madrid-threatens-catalan-leader/

    (sorry, I haven't found a mentioning about it in a "recognized" media, as e.g. Daily Mail....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    www.rt.com


    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    sorry, I haven't found a mentioning about it in a "recognized" media
    check Breitbart...

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    The risk of a corralito sealed the deal

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    I'm sure that's the proverbial lead balloon....


    Protests planned as Catalan separatists held behind bars

    Two senior pro-independence activists are being detained on sedition charges, with protests breaking out in Barcelona.


    A Spanish court has ordered the leaders of two powerful separatist organisations in Catalonia to be detained - a move that could cause tensions to worsen further.
    Jordi Cuixart and Jordi Sanchez - presidents of the pro-independence groups Omnium Cultural and the Catalan National Assembly - are being kept in jail on sedition charges.
    Protests broke out in Barcelona on Monday as news of their imprisonment spread.
    They are accused of stirring up major demonstrations in the run-up to the controversial independence referendum on 1 October.
    About 40% of 7.5 million Catalans voted in the referendum, with 90% of those backing independence from Spain.
    "The state is playing at provocation," said Catalan government spokesman Jordi Turull after the National Court ruling.
    Secretary general of Omnium Cultural, Jordi Bosch, said: "I'm calling for Catalan society to peacefully protest."

    The Catalan National Assembly has called for protests across the region, with a strike planned for Tuesday.
    Calls for demonstrations also spread on social media, with some planned in Catalonia and beyond, including London.
    Hundreds of independence supporters gathered outside Catalan government offices, singing the region's hymn and holding signs that read "freedom for political prisoners".
    A video recorded by Cuixart before his detention was sent out overnight, in which he said: "If you're watching this video, it's because the state has decided to deny me my freedom."
    The activist added that his organisation would work "underground" and peacefully to further their cause.


    The latest detentions came as the Spanish High Court ruled that Catalan police chief Josep Lluis Trapero would not be held in custody while an investigation continues.
    He had also been arrested on charges of sedition.
    Prosecutors allege he failed to rescue officers from the Civil Guard, the national police force, who were trapped by protesters inside a Catalan government building in September.


    On Monday, Catalan President Carles Puigdemont failed to provide a yes or no answer on whether he would declare independence.
    Madrid wanted an answer by 10am on Monday, but instead Mr Puigdemont wrote a letter to Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy calling for a meeting "as soon as possible".
    Mr Rajoy had warned that Madrid will suspend Catalonia's autonomy if independence was declared.
    "You still have time to answer clearly and simply," Mr Rajoy told Mr Puigdemont, warning that weeks of instability were damaging the Spanish economy.
    Spain has now given him until 10am local time on Thursday to clarify his position.


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