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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think anyone will support them, perhaps that fucking scottish harpie but that will be it.
    So you think ETA is in a weak position then, harry?

    (*snigger*)

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    I think Barcelona would be quite an attractive tax haven... If they manage to pull it off and and are forced out of the EU, they could be onto a winner...

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    Spanish Civil Guard Police beating up members of the public


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    Barcelona have been ordered to play behind closed doors....

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    Rally in Madrid in support of Spanish government crackdown in Catalonia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    Spanish Civil Guard Police beating up members of the public
    Supposing that a sanctions will be imposed for a head of Spain government (King or PM?), similarly as for Maduro...

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    That'll work... Is this how the EU intends to cling onto its member states, I wonder?

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    Spanish police beating and shooting

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    Catalonia referendum: 90% voted for independence

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...onia-vote-live

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    As someone else pointed out, seems a bit daft to strive for independence just for a pat on the back while handing it over to a dying EU.

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    Generalissimo Franco also cancelled the Catalonia autonomy they had had before. And he could not be so bad people when - despite his friendship with Hitler helping him to burn Guernica and others - so many state heads came to his funeral, a.o. Pinochet and VOTUS Nelson Rockefeller...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Generalissimo Franco also cancelled the Catalonia autonomy they had had before. And he could not be so bad people when - despite his friendship with Hitler helping him to burn Guernica and others - so many state heads came to his funeral, a.o. Pinochet and VOTUS Nelson Rockefeller...
    Christ, he really is aging one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Christ, he really is aging one.
    It's fucking Borat, I'm telling you. Read it in that voice.


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    Slightly O.T. some historical background. Unfortunately from Wikipedia.


    Lluís Companys i Jover (21 June 1882 – 15 October 1940) was the
    President of Catalonia , from 1934 and during the Spanish Civil War


    He was a lawyer and leader of the
    Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC) political party. Exiled after the war, he was captured and handed over by the Nazi secret police, the Gestapo, to the Spanish dictatorship of Francisco Franco, who had him executed by firing squad in 1940. Companys is the only incumbent democratically elected president in European history to have been executed, and seventy-five years later the council of war which sentenced him is still in force.

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    Exiled to France in 1939 after the Civil War, Companys had passed up various chances to leave France because his son Lluís was seriously ill in a clinic in
    Paris. He was arrested in La Baule-les-Pins near Nantes on 13 August 1940, and detained in La Santé Prison.

    He was then extradited by
    Nazi German authorities to the Spanish government in Madrid in early September 1940 and imprisoned in the cellars of the headquarters of the Dirección General de Seguridad (State Security) at the Real Casa de Correos in Puerta del Sol. He was held there for five weeks, kept in solitary confinement, tortured and beaten, while senior figures of the Franco regime visited his cell, insulted him and threw coins or crusts of bread at him.

    After a military trial which lasted less than one hour, lacking legal guarantees where he was accused of military rebellion. During the trial Companys was defended by Ramon de Colubi, a young soldier who had fought the war on the side of
    Franco. Surprisingly Colubí defended with courage Companys to the point of receiving threats and risking his own life. Colubí asked pardon to Franco and was ignored.

    As a consequence of his role as defence attorney Colubí was forced to go into exile.
    Víctor Gay Zaragoza, a Catalan writer found that Companys and Colubí were relatives. All these efforts were useless and Companys was executed at Montjuïc Castle in Barcelona at 6:30 a.m. on October 15, 1940. Refusing to wear a blindfold, he was taken before a firing squad of Civil Guards barefoot and, as they fired, he cried 'Per Catalunya!' (For Catalonia!). He is buried at the Montjuïc Cemetery, near the castle. The cause of death was given as 'traumatic internal haemorrhage

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llu%C3%ADs_Companys


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    While the civil war endd in Barca guerrilas fought on in the Mountains right until late 40s in Fanco's home province Galicia.

    Another highly significant element in the winding-up of the guerrilla struggle was the arrival on the scene in 1947 of superbly trained and schooled security force personnel in the shape of "counter-guerrilla bands", dressed and armed in the guerrillas' own style and sowing confusion and terror on their home ground. These "counter-gangs" even carried out savage killings that were ascribed to the guerrillas proper, the aim being to bring them into disrepute and strip them of popular support. Then again, the infiltration of police plants into the guerrilla bands was extraordinarily effective and made it possible to dismantle some of the more important groupings.
    In Asturias, in 1948, around 30 socialist guerrillas boarded a French fishing smack which had arrived specifically to collect them and deliver them to St Jean de Luz in France. In Levante, the last remaining guerrillas in the area, around two dozen survivors, made it out to France in 1952. In Andalusia, a few bands survived until the end of 1952, but their leaders - like the anarcho-syndicalist, Bernabe Lopez Calle (1889-1949) - had already perished in combat. A few managed to escape to Gibraltar or North Africa, but, for the most part, they were wiped out in armed clashes: others were executed by the garrotte vil (death by strangulation) or firing squads: those who escaped that fate served prison terms sometimes in excess of 20 year

    https://libcom.org/history/articles/armed-resistance-to-franco

    Others were tortured and their famiilies victimized in living memory, that is why the civil gaurds live in compounds in many regionsThis continued withe the GAL same commanders same old Falange
    I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn’t find any.

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    Catalan solidarity rally held at Free Derry Corner



    Sinn Féin held a Catalan solidarity rally at Free Derry Wall on Saturdayafternoon .
    East Derry MLA Caoimhe Archibald addressed the rally ahead of the Catalan independence referendum taking place today.
    She said that the Catalan people have a right to national self determination and to decide their own future.
    Crista Coyle sang the Redemption song by Bob Marley and Barry Davey sang Something inside so strong and the event came to an end with a rendition of the Catalonia National Anthem.
    A few Pics from me .





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    IMHO its a tipping point

    Spain could have offered a way out , a formal referendum, an apology for the heavy handed approach and the King as mediator.
    The Catalans could have argued their case for a free fair referendum in all of Spain with International UN or OCSE momitors as in Bosnia E Europe etc

    Sadly the violence and polarisation means neither side will compromise.

    Big money is worried Banco Sabadell has resited its HQ and La Caixa aka Caixabank Catalonias' largest company may do likewose be like CP going to Laos or Apple to Canada, this may be a legal fiction to stay in Euro jurisdiction so bailout support is there and boost saver confidence.The Bank of Spain may cease supplying paper currency to fill teh ATMs , although the 3/4th richest region lack of cash is always a crisis and very bad for torism.
    A parallel currency or dollarisation would be my advice to the Cataklan leaders , Use a currnecy out of EU control that is internbationally accepted , Swiss Franc would appreciate too fast but US $ or even sinking sterrling

    Catalans may jump the Rubicon in which case bank runs, border controls next week.

    Madrid may not need to send in the tanks , stopping pensions, supplies, bank transfers,and flights alone may cripple the new Republic.It has the will the manpower and the inclination to seal the road and rail links , the Ferries to the islands and money at present ho its debt differential is seedinga Eurozone crisis which can rapidly escalate due to derivitive overhang and oil hike

    Hotheads and provacateurs will not help, tho of course this doesn't mean it wont happen radical seperatists will seek martyrs.We don't need to have the crystal ball just revist the Lehendakari Ibbaratexte debacle or the dirty war chronicles.

    Barca area gas many arge companies Dannone Boeringher Ingelheim to sute just a couple of multi nationals who may think twice if they end up outside EU with a tariff wall , similar to the so called Brexit cliff but starting next week with no prep.France would have to impose passport, visa and customs checks at Port Bou and La Jonquera crippling trade tourism etc.Tourists would be leaving the Schengen area on flights to Girona Reus and Barca chaos.Citizens of Perpinya would have to dip wicks elsewhere.
    Open for business: the brothel with 1,800 prostitutes | The Independent

    Spain has the arms soldiers and Police hough a takeover of the Generalitat is ERC's goal to try to get EU intervention.

    Anyone with any knowledge of the GAL can foresee this will not end well.

    I think the republicans will not stand down, Rajoy with EU support and advice will play the long gane arrests assett seizures , as happened to Margell.
    A net squeeze, a bank squueze.

    The other factor expeplified by Pique's reception on soccer training is almost half Catalan population came from poores areas Extremadura and al Andalus in particular, tho theor Catalan speaking kids may vote either way , there are of course Catalans all over Spain.

    They have siupport in Euskadi Navarra and Galicia for obvious reasons, howver if Catalans are set adrift , the whole Spanish cohesion is at threat Asturia Canaries etc will be encouraged to askl for more like the Fueros of old.Felipe was very poorly advise and Rajoy has come across as not just party partisan but unmagnaimous, the haughty Grandee it a little goatee is ill prepared to face the crisis.

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    This is Barcelona, heartland of Catalonia. It's full of whores. No wonder you don't see many Spanish people in Thailand.


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    I suppose it's a good test case, because if they succeed, Bradford will be declaring an Islamic State soon thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Catalonia cannot be allowed to get independent. Otherwise, do we agree with Crimea independence?
    Of course we do. Self-determination referenda are a Soviet idea... more to the point, Crimea was illegally annexed from Russia by Khrushchev in the 60s and appended onto a made-up country called "borderland" in it's Russian dialect, so the Crimeans absolutely have the right to restore themselves to their original state, just as the Tibetans do, or any of the baltic states etc...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    Catalonia is the wealthiest part of Spain. There is no way the fascists in Madrid will let it go.

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