UK to ban sales of petrol and diesel cars from 2040

**baldrick** · 29-07-2017, 06:53 AM

by 2030 most people will not own a car - they will rent robot electric safety cubes as required

**Fluke** · 29-07-2017, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

and what if you can't afford to replace your vehicle with a brand new electric one.?

They will just stop selling petrol cars , it time, everyone will go electric .
Petrol cars will not be banned or anything like that

**Seekingasylum** · 29-07-2017, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

the best part of this is not the clean air , but the end of our dependence on the whims of opec and the oil barons on account of their hegemony and an end to our having to kowtow to the ragheads on account of their spending power as they face a slow and certain death by the unstoppable spread of electrification.

cars first, then trucks, then ships and finally aircraft.

You continue to miss the point of most things these days, Tax, in your silly, demented xenophobia and rabid fixation about muslims. Petrol is as cheap as chips these days, cheaper than fucking bottled faux spa water with which you irrigate your fundament, and the price is now predominantly tax imposed by your government, you foozled, fuckwitted tyke. At current pump prices, a litre of petrol includes 67% tax.

Up your game, you silly Northern twat!

**taxexile** · 29-07-2017, 01:48 PM

what exactly is the point you are attempting to make?

that oil is cheap, which means that the ragheads income stream is drying up.

or that electrification is an impossible dream goal?

**Fluke** · 29-07-2017, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

what exactly is the point you are attempting to make?

that oil is cheap, which means that the ragheads income stream is drying up.

or that electrification is an impossible dream goal?

The USA is the worlds biggest oil producer

**taxexile** · 29-07-2017, 01:59 PM

its russia actually.

**Seekingasylum** · 29-07-2017, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

what exactly is the point you are attempting to make?

that oil is cheap, which means that the ragheads income stream is drying up.

or that electrification is an impossible dream goal?

Fuck me, Tax, but have you had a stroke or what?

The point is blindingly obvious, it ain't the fucking A-rabs to whom you have been kowtowing, you dozy Dalestwat, it's your fucking own government that has been screwing you for fucking years.

Anyway, the shale oil available in the West Texan Permian basin is probably larger than the oilfields of Saudi Arabia.

You really are losing your grip. Did you suck on too much of that Nitrous Oxide gas when you were tickling the back Hampsteads of your girlie clients, you old bugger, you.

**taxexile** · 29-07-2017, 02:13 PM

how strange. and i always thought the ragheads obtained their wealth from crude.

**AntRobertson** · 29-07-2017, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

Who gives a sh1t what happens. You'll all be dead by 2040. Live today not tomorrow.

Hope not, I should only be in me early 60's and hopefully spoiling the bejesus outta me grandkids (who I'll be driving around in me petrol-less flying car).

**Latindancer** · 29-07-2017, 05:29 PM

I just can't see petrol being abandoned completely. People in rural Australia travel hundreds of Ks by car and I don't think a bank of batteries will ever supply power for a really long trip through the outback.

**CaptainNemo** · 29-07-2017, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

in me early 60's and scaring the bejesus outta someone's grandkids

...the greengrocer's apostrophe is the least of your worries.

Originally Posted by taxexile

what exactly is the point you are attempting to make?

He doesn't have one, because he doesn't know anything, he just has pathological need to get boiled up and flatulate his repetitive attempts at insults to get attention... like Ant does... watch them both pile in after this post...

Originally Posted by taxexile

that oil is cheap, which means that the ragheads income stream is drying up.

or that electrification is an impossible dream goal?

The trend is to get more out of oil and gas in a lower impact way, not wean us off it. It remains the highest energy per unit source, until something fancy and sci-fi-ish like cold fusion becomes available for consumers to buy off the shelf.
In a similar vein to the way technology is used to extract more out of the seabed and elsewhere more intelligently - which requires investment (and recycling of personnel to ones who can cope with computing and networking)... that's part of the cost, not just tax and duty and such.

On-board micro-power stations converting your tank of hydrocarbons into electricity is the kind of intermediate step (like the various formats between the shift from Vinyl to .mp3). I would anticipate the vast majority of cars in the developed world (not the developing world) being hybrids along these lines, with full-on electric and full-on petrol/diesel being at either end of the bell curve. There are still major battery hurdles to overcome, and they are not all about capacity.

late 2010:

Chevy Volt's engine more than just a generator

Motor Trend found that the Chevy Volt is driven by its electric motors only most of the time.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/c...t-a-generator/

late 2016:

Nissan introduces new electric-motor drivetrain: e-POWER

https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/161102-02-j

From a commercially-minded engineering point-of-view, why would you not use an established technology with masses of infrastructure that you don't have to explain to your consumer?! You just tweak it to get more out of it... whilst not actually solving the problem really, but at least laying the groundwork for it to be solved:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-change

Originally Posted by taxexile

its russia actually.

...and despite being in the top few oil producers, the USA is amongst the biggest consumers, unlike the others; the type of oil produced matters, as you might need to export some of one type to import one of another type to save on processing costs.

**bsnub** · 29-07-2017, 05:49 PM

^ You are not getting laid

**CaptainNemo** · 29-07-2017, 06:03 PM

^

**Takeovers** · 31-07-2017, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

BATTERIES ARE SH1T

As I already said upthread. Those car batteries will last at the very least 150,000km, likely much more. There are Tesla cars who have already done over 300,000km with one battery and little maintenance.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Diesel engines, except for agricultural use, should be banned. Period.

BTW for some reason Diesel trucks meet the pollution standards, unlike consumer cars.

**VocalNeal** · 31-07-2017, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

as you might need to export some of one type to import one of another type to save on processing costs.

Indonesia used to or still does export high-quality low sulphur diesel and imports low-quality diesel for domestic use and trousers the difference.

Going electric makes some sense if all the oil for fuel is imported and one has abundant reserves of coal/nuclear/hydro to use to generate electricity.

OR one could have electric only zones in major cities? Similar to congestion zones?

**David48atTD** · 31-07-2017, 02:45 PM

At the Farm we run Diesel engines to power the water pumps.
I was amused and honestly bemused, the first time to see the Farm Father hook up a bottle of gas also for that engine.

Apparently the LPG/Diesel Engine has some advantages and lower emissions as compared to a pure Diesel engine.

6. Conclusions

Studies carried out by the various scientists showed that use of LPG in the diesel engine as dual fuel operation is one of the prominent and effective measures to overcome the fossil fuel scarcity and exhaust emissions.

The performance, combustion and emission characteristics of the LPG diesel dual fuel engine have been reviewed from the various experimental studies and indicate that the part load characteristic can be improved by optimizing the engine operating parameters and design factors such as engine speed, load, pilot fuel quantity, injection timing, intake manifold condition and intake gaseous fuel compositions.

Science Direct

**AntRobertson** · 31-07-2017, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

in me early 60's and scaring the bejesus outta someone's grandkids

...the greengrocer's apostrophe is the least of your worries.

Do your bit for the environment, stop stealing oxygen and go to the light you pedantic old goat.

**wasabi** · 31-07-2017, 09:03 PM

No mention of the huge Diesel engines powering ships.
Maybe we can go back to sailing ships.

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